Chris - The Legal Issues - A Prosecutor's Perspective

[Chazzed Up]

Well, as far as I have read, its pretty clear the ILJ (or whatever her name is) was discussing incest related material with Chris and that their discussion went pretty far. While I agree there is no proof of ILJ saying "rape your mother", there is evidence that discussing these topics did "water the seed" as another user posted.

I feel like the suggestibility of Chris in terms of being coaxed into this act would at best just get him declared mentally incompetent. Coercision makes more sense if it was a different crime. Like, say someone has a lot of debt and someone convinces them to help with a robbery in exchange for money. You could see how an otherwise reasonable person could make a bad judgement out of desperation. Chris's crime is so bizarre and out of the ordinary that the very fact that he would be open to suggestion on the topic just means to me that the most optimistic view of him is being completely out of his mind.

If he's determined incompetent depends on how he acts toward those who evaluate him. If he backs off of LARPing they may not see him as the silly lunatic that we might otherwise based on his Twitter presence.

 

[Mason Verger]

The rule is that simply "having mental illness" isn't a cop-out; the person has to be found to be "mentally ill" enough at the time the action occurred that they couldn't tell right from wrong.

The fact that he kept up a clockwork 3 day schedule on a fucking calendar for his “sudden bouts of insanity” kinda cuts the legs out from under that defense.

 

[Buck Mullet]

JFC, Chris will not be ruled incompetent or insane. He's held a drivers license, operated a vehicle, bought and sold goods and obtained services on his own... he won't meet the criteria. Doesn't matter how batshit crazy he comes across, that doesn't mean shit when he's obviously been capable of getting by just fine on mostly his own as an adult.

And as for evidence of him being coerced into banging Barb, there ain't gonna be any. That defense would dry up like Barb's vag the moment much earlier postings show Chris has had the hots for mummy years ago. Chris isn't getting a slap on the wrist here, there will be serious repercussions down the road for him. How severe we won't know until it's made public record, but these scenarios tossed around like he's going to be in some TV or movie version of prison are way the fuck off base.

 

[AmnasLord]

Chris's crime is so bizarre and out of the ordinary that the very fact that he would be open to suggestion on the topic just means to me that the most optimistic view of him is being completely out of his mind.

I think that is what will be legally the finding, but I am not legally trained so its just my opinion.

Chris's whole internet history is a bizzare and so out of the ordinary that not even the greatest fiction writers would come up with the insanity he did. What sane or relatively sane person would believe that by touching a Sega Dreamcast they can transport to another world, that the Hyperdimenion Neptunia characters where coming alive and wandering the Ukraine, that CWC exists, that Sonichu and Rose-Chu exist, that he can swap bodies and what not, that his dead father exists in this make believe dream would, and that numerous women/girls want to talk to him and be his girlfriend. We don't really know even if the prostitute that Chris paid for existed or not and wasn't a figment of his demented brain. The fact is that this craziness has been documented for YEARS, showcasing a pattern of delusional and bizarre behavior, should have pointed out that he should have been incarcerated much early in live but wasn't due to Barb and Bob's influence.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

I feel like the suggestibility of Chris in terms of being coaxed into this act would at best just get him declared mentally incompetent. Coercision makes more sense if it was a different crime. Like, say someone has a lot of debt and someone convinces them to help with a robbery in exchange for money. You could see how an otherwise reasonable person could make a bad judgement out of desperation. Chris's crime is so bizarre and out of the ordinary that the very fact that he would be open to suggestion on the topic just means to me that the most optimistic view of him is being completely out of his mind.

If he's determined incompetent depends on how he acts toward those who evaluate him. If he backs off of LARPing they may not see him as the silly lunatic that we might otherwise based on his Twitter presence.

I'm sure they made him spreg about inscest when they were just 15 years old. I'm sure they shot up Chris with erections drugs ever 3 nights, and pushed his erections into Barb until he reached climax. I'm sure they attached Chris mouth to genitals and flipped a switch that made him start licking.

Well, as far as I have read, its pretty clear the ILJ (or whatever her name is) was discussing incest related material with Chris and that their discussion went pretty far. While I agree there is no proof of ILJ saying "rape your mother", there is evidence that discussing these topics did "water the seed" as another user posted.

Plus the whole Idea Guy saga makes it pretty clear that Chris, to an extend, is mailable to a degree.

Where? I never read that

 

[Chazzed Up]

I'm sure they made him spreg about inscest when they were just 15 years old. I'm sure they shot up Chris with erections drugs ever 3 nights, and pushed his erections into Barb until he reached climax. I'm sure they attached Chris mouth to genitals and flipped a switch that made him start licking.

I agree with your point, I don't think he is anywhere near as incompetent as some want to view him, but I am considering the possibility just for the sake of speculating on where it would end up. I do think it's ludicrous to think Bella & her friends would get a substantial share of blame in this situation as far as Chris's court case goes. If being stupid was a defense, there would be a lot less people in jail.

 

[Mariposa Electrique]

I agree with your point, I don't think he is anywhere near as incompetent as some want to view him, but I am considering the possibility just for the sake of speculating on where it would end up. I do think it's ludicrous to think Bella & her friends would get a substantial share of blame in this situation as far as Chris's court case goes. If being stupid was a defense, there would be a lot less people in jail.

Jail is overpopulated with people who give sob stories, claim they're innocent, or claim someone else made them do something. The only difference is, they're not in horrible drag.

 

[Mason Verger]

I'm sure they made him spreg about inscest when they were just 15 years old. I'm sure they shot up Chris with erections drugs ever 3 nights, and pushed his erections into Barb until he reached climax. I'm sure they attached Chris mouth to genitals and flipped a switch that made him start licking.

Oh fuck her and her spic boytoys too. She can burn on his pyre just for contacting him as far as I’m concerned. I’m not here for the fair allotment of justice, I’m here to laugh at dipshits twisting in the wind due to their bad ideas.

Shit, let’s go full on Torquemada, it’s the series final. More witches for the fire! Just the fact her name is forever linked with Chris makes me half erect.

 

[Cold Root Beer]

I think that is what will be legally the finding, but I am not legally trained so its just my opinion.

Chris's whole internet history is a bizzare and so out of the ordinary that not even the greatest fiction writers would come up with the insanity he did. What sane or relatively sane person would believe that by touching a Sega Dreamcast they can transport to another world, that the Hyperdimenion Neptunia characters where coming alive and wandering the Ukraine, that CWC exists, that Sonichu and Rose-Chu exist, that he can swap bodies and what not, that his dead father exists in this make believe dream would, and that numerous women/girls want to talk to him and be his girlfriend. We don't really know even if the prostitute that Chris paid for existed or not and wasn't a figment of his demented brain. The fact is that this craziness has been documented for YEARS, showcasing a pattern of delusional and bizarre behavior, should have pointed out that he should have been incarcerated much early in live but wasn't due to Barb and Bob's influence.

I agree with your point, I don't think he is anywhere near as incompetent as some want to view him, but I am considering the possibility just for the sake of speculating on where it would end up. I do think it's ludicrous to think Bella & her friends would get a substantial share of blame in this situation. If being stupid was a defense, there would be a lot less people in jail.

I'm just going to quote myself quoting the informative posts from actual legal professions in this thread that clarify exactly why Chris will not be found legally insane (which is the only way he is sent to an institution instead of prison after the trial):

To quote the knowledgeable posts from legal professionals in the law thread:

doubtful considering the high bar that is a defendant proving they were too insane to understand that what they were doing was wrong or that they literally couldn't resist the impulse to do it. This would entirely have to be on chris to prove, and from text messages that could be subpoena'd that we already know about, he was fully aware of the fact that what he was doing was wrong, attempts to conceal the act, lies regarding it, etc. Best case for Chris is a diminished capacity guilty rather than NGRI.

FINE, BUT CHRIS IS CRAZY. THEY'LL JUST GET HIM OFF WITH AN INSANITY DEFENSE.

Not exactly. You see, legal insanity actually has a specific meaning. Again, it's gonna maybe vary a bit in Virginia but essentially the standard is that you were so insane at the time of the crime that you couldn't appreciate what you were doing and that what you were doing was wrong.

It's perfectly possible to be screamingly clinically insane and yet legally sane. I've seen it. A lot. This can mean you're not competent to stand trial and assist in your own defense, but all that means is the action is halted while we send you to an institution for treatment and once you're stabilized we get you back and finish it up.

Chris can be a massively insane retard with a room temp IQ, but to be declared NGRI, he needs to meet the requirements of being legally insane. Which given the fact that Chris demonstrated premeditation (buying condoms, the sex book), and concealed his actions (being cryptic with Null) shows that he understood that his actions were wrong, which means he doesn't meet the criteria for being legally insane. Which isn't to say that he might not be sent to an institution pre-trial until he's stable enough enough to actually stand trial (if necessary), but after the trial, he won't be sent to an institution. If he's not set free, it'll be jail.

Chris could literally chop his cock off with a shiv in prison, get nude in the courthouse, shit on the judge's desk, and then eat the shit off the table, and it would not result in him being sent to a mental institution instead of prison after the trial. They would instead suspend the trial, send Chris to a mental institution until he is stable enough to stand trial, then resume the trial.

He could develop full on Schizophrenia tomorrow, and all that would mean is that he would be given whatever daily anti-psychotic medication he is prescribed in prison with his meals. There are plenty of medicated psychos in regular prison.

The only way you get sent to the looney bin instead of prison (rather than just as a pit stop so that the trial can resume) is if you're found legally insane, which has a strict, limited definition that by no means encompasses what most people would classify as insanity. Chris was aware what he was doing was wrong, and he had the mental ability to resist doing so.

Thus, it is extremely unlikely Chris will be found NGRI and be sent to a institution after the trial. Instead, if he throws a big enough mental fit, they'll stop the trial, send him to an institution where they'll turn him into a chilled out zombie with daily doses of anti-psychotics, then ship him back to finish the trial, and then (if convicted) sent him to regular prison where he'll continue to be given the medication.

 

[Bonesaw]

Hey what are the chances he tard rages at the next court date and the Judge finds him in contempt?

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

Hey what are the chances he tard rages at the next court date and the Judge finds him in contempt?

He's already in custody so it would be a largely pointless effort in practical terms.

 

[Chazzed Up]

Thus, it is extremely unlikely Chris will be found NGRI and be sent to a institution after the trial. Instead, if he throws a big enough mental fit, they'll stop the trial, send him to an institution where they'll turn him into a chilled out zombie with daily doses of anti-psychotics, then ship him back to finish the trial, and then (if convicted) sent him to regular prison where he'll continue to be given the medication.

Do extreme mental issues normally have any impact on the actual sentence itself? Like length or severity? I get the high bar for actual insanity but is it considered mitigating at all? OP mentions it but does it often work? I mean many people that commit crimes are mentally ill in some way but Chris's defense could conceivably make his autism part of their argument I suppose. I don't really know what else they'd go with.

 

[Buck Mullet]

Hey what are the chances he tard rages at the next court date and the Judge finds him in contempt?

After being incarcerated for six weeks without his creature comforts, it's hard to say. It wasn't really a surprise he stomped and spoke out of line at his arraignment, that was just after several days of being locked up. He probably thought he'd be going home soon, or at least he'd be allowed to have some of his stuff while he's being held. My guess is during his next court appearance he'll either be even more noncompliant and cause a scene, or reality sunk in during that time and he'll shut the fuck up besides yes and no.

But it's Chris, who knows? If we're placing bets my money's on him initially behaving, then being triggered by something and ending up curled into a sobbing ball on the courtroom floor.

 

[robobobo]

The court is not going to charge Bella with anything. Calling up a retard and talking about your sick fetish shit is not against the law, even if you hope it's going to spur him into breaking a law. If she'd actually step-by-step planned it out with him, then they might be able to get her for a conspiracy charge, but just talking up incest and sounding positive about it when he talked about banging Barb is not a crime. Unless something comes to light proving that she heavily coerced him into his actions, which incidentally will not get him off the hook for what he did unless she did something like showed up at the house and held a gun to Barb's head, she will not see any legal repercussion for her acts at all. Bella is as much a red herring as the insanity defense, both are vanishingly unlikely to actually come into play.

 

[:gold:]

He is a torrent of emotions, that lad.

 

[AnOminous]

I absolutely love legal specualtion in the Farms. When I saw the word RICO used here I let out an audible chuckle.

It's never RICO. It's never RICO. IT. IS. NEVER. FUCKING. RICO. YOU. IDIOTS!

Just saying. Any time you hear RICO, you should discount whoever said it as an absolute moron.

But what if the value of the lego makes the total go over what is owed?

No collectibles are worth their pristine value once they have retard jizz all over them.

Chris could literally chop his cock off with a shiv in prison, get nude in the courthouse, shit on the judge's desk, and then eat the shit off the table, and it would not result in him being sent to a mental institution instead of prison after the trial. They would instead suspend the trial, send Chris to a mental institution until he is stable enough to stand trial, then resume the trial.

I disagree. I think that actually would get him sent to a loony bin, if he hadn't admitted it was completely fake at some point.

But it would be for life. He'd never get out again. He'd be committed forever, in some snake pit.

People have this bizarre idea that somehow, not guilty by reason of insanity means you just get to take a few pills and then go away scot-free. That isn't how it works.

Actually it doesn't work. But if you're found guilty of a genuinely heinous crime you committed because you are insane, you get kept forever. Nobody wants to be the idiot psych who released Michael Myers into the public again, who then murdered a bunch of people.

 

[Lisbeth Salander]

People have this bizarre idea that somehow, not guilty by reason of insanity means you just get to take a few pills and then go away scot-free. That isn't how it works.

More likely, Chris will be sent to a mental institution. Or if he’s sent to prison, he’s either be segregated (I think the general population doesn’t take kind to elder abuse) or put in solitary confinement. I just wonder if a psychologist would ever look at his social media, videos, etc if they do a evaluation. I’m pretty sure they did that to mass shooters online post.

 

[AmnasLord]

More likely, Chris will be sent to a mental institution. Or if he’s sent to prison, he’s either be segregated (I think the general population doesn’t take kind to elder abuse) or put in solitary confinement. I just wonder if a psychologist would ever look at his social media, videos, etc if they do a evaluation. I’m pretty sure they did that to mass shooters online post.

They do. Prosecutors comb through online media with a fine tooth comb, in case of mass shooters, and come up with evidence of why he did it (if captured alive). The case of the New Zealand shooter or even the guy who drove the truck into the Muslim family in Canada had their online profiles thoroughly examined. Chris-chan's whole life is documented in a wiki, there have been numerous YouTube documentaries, and even KiwiFarms here is a treasure trove of evidence for the damaged world of Chris-Chan.

Most likely, in my opinion, is that people will look at Geno's documentary and the Wiki and delve, if they need to, deeper into further branches of information.

 

[Learned Hand]

They do. Prosecutors comb through online media with a fine tooth comb, in case of mass shooters, and come up with evidence of why he did it (if captured alive). The case of the New Zealand shooter or even the guy who drove the truck into the Muslim family in Canada had their online profiles thoroughly examined. Chris-chan's whole life is documented in a wiki, there have been numerous YouTube documentaries, and even KiwiFarms here is a treasure trove of evidence for the damaged world of Chris-Chan.

Most likely, in my opinion, is that people will look at Geno's documentary and the Wiki and delve, if they need to, deeper into further branches of information.

Prosecutors do not comb through social media, there is virtually no relevant probative value. Police with a warrant will go through social media depending on the nature of the investigation and even that is relatively rare. It's also a little ridiculous to compare terror attacks to anything Chris has ever done. You're confusing the criminal investigative process with court process, and they're entirely different with very different standards and defendant protections. In fact, prosecutors in general will never do their own digging, they rely on law enforcement to do evidence collection. Prosecutors then present the people's case based on the best evidence they have.

Hearsay rules also exist, and they most heavily favor the defendant. There is really nothing online that could be admitted into evidence without the defense making a critical error. A prosecutor can destroy his own case quickly by playing fast and loose with the rules of evidence. Prosecutions are punished severely for these kind of errors or miscalculations.

In fact, if it went to trial, and if the prosecution got their law degree at DeVry, and if they tried to do anything related to Chris's social media or internet presence (especially introduce things written by complete strangers with no connection to the matter at hand), defense would move for a mistrial immediately -- and probably get it.

 

[Learned Hand]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Mwt35SEeR9w
More likely, Chris will be sent to a mental institution. Or if he’s sent to prison, he’s either be segregated (I think the general population doesn’t take kind to elder abuse) or put in solitary confinement. I just wonder if a psychologist would ever look at his social media, videos, etc if they do a evaluation. I’m pretty sure they did that to mass shooters online post.

Chris will not be sent to a mental institution. Chris will not be segregated in prison. Chris will not be placed in solitary. Stop believing Chris's case is extreme or extraordinary in any way.

We've combed over the reasons why in this thread many times at this point, so I won't rehash them here, but if Chris is charged with rape, he'll end up in prison with all the other unremarkable rapists that infest our prisons.