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Except it doesn't even really work there, because changing the past doesn't change the present... except Sam and Bucky got to meet Old Steve, so apparently it can.

Time-travel shows can be fun, but shows about time travel can make your brain hurt.
Hence why it was always a bad idea for the Loki show to even be about time travel in the first place. The way it's set up, Loki should have been a shaggy dog story about Loki using the Tesseract, how he reacts to Thanos's minions, and/or him trolling the universe with his mind control powers. Instead, he loses everything about him that was compelling in Avengers because he got super lucky that the Time Heist helped him out.
 
Except it doesn't even really work there, because changing the past doesn't change the present... except Sam and Bucky got to meet Old Steve, so apparently it can.

Time-travel shows can be fun, but shows about time travel can make your brain hurt.
I think Steve lived out his life in a different timeline (clearly not attempting to change anything so the TVA didn't intervene) and then came back to the Sacred one.
 
I think Steve lived out his life in a different timeline (clearly not attempting to change anything so the TVA didn't intervene) and then came back to the Sacred one.
I guess, but the TVA's existence hadn't been established and the only warning you get is them showing up to melt you for coloring outside their invisible lines.

Maybe it was another timeline's Steve? That would be a twist: something happened to "our" Steve and some/all of the stones we're never returned.
 
I guess, but the TVA's existence hadn't been established and the only warning you get is them showing up to melt you for coloring outside their invisible lines.

Maybe it was another timeline's Steve? That would be a twist: something happened to "our" Steve and some/all of the stones we're never returned.
Multiverse is a thing now so if Evans wanted another paycheck I'd wager that's a good way to go about it.
 
I actually think the entirety of Agents of Shield is high up there with the MCU's best work, even if it's not canon.

In fact, I think it outgrew the MCU. In the post-Infinity War seasons, when it became clear that this show is no longer canon with the MCU films, I didn't feel an ounce less invested in it.

The Agents of Shield main cast are arguably the most developed characters ever in the MCU, if only for how much time we've spent with them.
Did they actually state that the show was no longer canon to the MCU or do you mean they said fuck it and did their own thing.
Season 1 is pretty cringey, but seasons 2-4 (especially 4, which I will unironically defend as good) were pretty fucking solid. They really manage to hit some of the X-files/spooky government conspiracy notes that I’m a sucker for. They also manage to have a fairly large female cast (including Ming Na Wen as one of the leads) without being faggots about muh gurl power, which is always a plus in my book.

It’s basically just high-budget MCU fan-fiction, complete with “yeah, our characters were totally there in the background of these important in-universe events!”, but I definitely still think parts of it are genuinely good in their own right and worth a watch.
The show knew how to do female characters right
Kinda surprised no one has posted this yet.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=g7q60i_Lh_EDeadpool in the MCU, reacting to a movie trailer with Korg, on Ryan Reynolds' official YouTube channel.

I definitely didn't expect a tongue-in-cheek parody of YouTube reaction videos to be how Deadpool joined the MCU, but I'm okay with it :story:

Edit: Just saw this from Reynolds' Instagram page, lol
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Yeah I couldn't belive it either. But I love it anyways.
I don't know why, but I immediately realized when I saw it in theatres. I didn't even hear about it beforehand. I think I'm just autistic. :story:
Same.
So, wait, if I'm reading this correctly, BP2 is due out in a little under a year and we don't even have the cast list yet?
Yikes that's going to be a shitshow.
I wonder if all this multiverse stuff is gonna be a bridge too far for some people.

My mom is what you would call a "Normie", and she enjoys the MCU movies, but she didn't like Loki, because she just found it confusing and weird.
Oh definitely once you leave the main universe. Of course normies are going to be confused as shit
 
Did they actually state that the show was no longer canon to the MCU or do you mean they said fuck it and did their own thing.
They haven't literally come out and said it, but the show specifically chose not to acknowledge Infinity War (probably because they weren't allowed to lol) and did a time-travel apocalypse plot for that season (which I didn't bring up in the seasons I liked because fuck time travel).
 
surprisingly liked Loki the most out of all + shows so far. I can't fucking believe that not only did the writers make me care and be hyped about Kang The Conqueror (personally just never cared for him because I don't know the character and I think his costume is just pure goofy Silver Age shit.), I am now curious to see Ant-Man 3 because of him.

also, kinda weird how the show about the most spinoff character (timeline offshoot Loki) has the most consequences compared to the shows about the members of the Avengers... like, idk, mayyyyybe Wanda reading that discount Necronomikon or whateverthefuck will come into play at some point, but the Sam & Bucky shit is 1000% of pointless political agenda filler (John was great tho, I wish it was a show about him instead and Sam and Bucky were like background characters).
I'm still surprised at how many people defend that retarded Iron Man 3 twist.

"A-ha! The villain wasn't this interesting and original character! It was actually... a bland businessman / scientist with a grudge against Tony Stark... just like the last two movies! What a twist!"
I dunno, maybe I'm biased because I love Iron Man 1 and like 2 and 3 to some degree (rhyme unintended) I think there is argument to be made that all 3 villains are distinguishable in their specific grudges
  1. Stane seems like he was just envious of Tony getting the company after Howard got iced.
  2. Vanko was mad at Tony because Howard screwed over his dad (in the original script the storyline was more shades of gray until the Mouse stepped in and made it all black and white, hence why Rourke was mad about what ended up in theaters).
  3. and Killian was mad at Tony because Tony was a dick to him
I find Killian especially interesting in purely by the contrast of him not being being a guy in a bootleg Iron Man suit like the other two. It's a shame that Extremis' action scene potential was squandered by having Killian's goons only regenerate and heat up their arms. The guy who juiced himself with Extremis in the original comic was crazy powerful, he could run fast, shoot lightnin out of his fingertips and shit, it was nuts!

The moment where Killian breathes fire stands out purely because it's the only scene where MCU Extremis isn't used to either heat up or regenerate a limb.

I wish Iron Man 3 wasn't so comedic. If it had the darker tone throughout the whole movie (not just certain parts), cut the stupid fucking kid out and give it like 20 more minutes of runtime allowing for some depth scenes maybe - all I'm saying is it could've been a way better movie and you can see little bits and pieces of it in Iron Man 3. But oh well...
 
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Post-Endgame stuff makes The Snap feel really inconsequential too. It was the source for a few basic jokes in Spiderman, but otherwise may not have actually happened.

It was a cataclysmic event that has had no apparent impact.
 
A problem for me is that everything after Endgame and Thanos is feeling kinda inconsequential.

I can't shake this feeling that the MCU ended with Endgame and everything after it is a really long epilogue.
Pretty much, yeah.
Post-Endgame stuff makes The Snap feel really inconsequential too. It was the source for a few basic jokes in Spiderman, but otherwise may not have actually happened.

It was a cataclysmic event that has had no apparent impact.
Welcome to American comics.
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Remember Final Crisis? Fear Itself? I don't. Having an interconnected world with consequences is hard when you're split several dozens of ways and your medium relies on a status quo.
 
Post-Endgame stuff makes The Snap feel really inconsequential too. It was the source for a few basic jokes in Spiderman, but otherwise may not have actually happened.

It was a cataclysmic event that has had no apparent impact.

Falcon and Winter Solder had the most potential for a post-Endgame story, because it's directly dealing with problems caused by undoing the snap.

But they messed it up cause the storytelling's terrible.
 
Falcon and Winter Solder had the most potential for a post-Endgame story, because it's directly dealing with problems caused by undoing the snap.

But they messed it up cause the storytelling's terrible.
Covid really didn't help. There's a lot of evidence it was going to be about a virus being spread and not some muddied thing about borders or whatever. If it had stuck with the original plan, I think it would've been stronger for it.
 
A problem for me is that everything after Endgame and Thanos is feeling kinda inconsequential.

I can't shake this feeling that the MCU ended with Endgame and everything after it is a really long epilogue.
It's a common criticism of comics that nothing sticks. Whenever something gets completely convoluted or the writers have run out of things to do, retcons and relaunches are the order of the day. Hell, you even started to see the timeline of the MCU starting to get fucked up with Captain Marvel, and every time there's either time travel or multiverse stuff, the chronology fucks itself and the editors have no other recourse than to start again.

This has its positives and negatives. Usually this means there's a "starting point" for every character, and it's usually after the end of the original creator's run, like Spider-Man after the Stan Lee/Steve Ditko & John Romita and Gerry Conway/Gil Kane runs. Or it happens when a run that isn't written by the original creator but was so impactful that it's pretty much become the defining run like X-Men after Claremont or Daredevil after Miller. Pretty much everything X-Men after Claremont is considered one big fanfic by most fans. Everytime a new universe starts, people just assume it's after his run (Jean dead, Emma in the Hellfire club, Wolverine as the lone wolf, Cyclops as the depressed leader, etc.)

If after Black Widow the MCU starts to become less popular, expect a hiatus and an eventual, woker relaunch.
 
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