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Who the fuck is Laura Bailey?
Edit: I obviously know who Laura Bailey is, I've mentioned her multiple times I'm pretty sure in this very thread. Not every joke can be a winner.
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Edit: I obviously know who Laura Bailey is, I've mentioned her multiple times I'm pretty sure in this very thread. Not every joke can be a winner.
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- 27 de Oct, 2017
You caught me, haha. I was *obviously* fucking around about not knowing who Laura Bailey was. I'm glad you mentioned that bit about her playing other marvel characters though, because you're right... Bailey did a much better job playing Black Widow (in Lego Marvel) than Johansson ever did. If you aren't even going to try to pretend to have real Russian accent, might as well have a better actress in general playing the part.
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- 14 de Jul, 2018
So as I wrote before I think there's a high probability the upcoming Marvel movies will just be moved to Disney Plus. Definitely not in the studio's best interest but if public theaters have ended that's just the reality Disney is forced to deal with.
They can hide the viewing numbers, but they can't fully pull the wool over the eyes of the public. I don't think there's any doubt whatsoever that the Mandalorian is more popular that the Star Wars sequel trilogy. Baby Yoda and Mando are the most beloved characters to come out of Star Wars in frankly decades. The same is true about Marvel. Florence Pugh no matter what has a future within the MCU. She's young and sexually desirable, she can play Black Widow 2 for quite possibly 15 years. What happens to the Eternals if they don't sell merchandise or appeal to fans, well they fall into the background characters of the MCU and are just forgotten.
The biggest sign of what's a success to Marvel Disney is if the directors are kept in the fold. The Russo Brothers succeeded beyond Disney's wildest dreams, if they want to come back in the future the door is open. Jon Favreau and James Gunn may not direct in the future but they will be asked to stay on as producers. If your product disappointed Disney you are cast aside for someone else, which is why they showed Joss Whedon and Alan Taylor the door despite being usually competent in their jobs.
Really while most of Hollywood got fucked in the ass I think Marvel lucked out beyond its wildest dreams to have ended the Infinity War saga right before Covid-19, it's going to let the MCU be popular as people will want a return to normalcy. If they can reboot the X-Men in a satisfying way I'd say get ready for another decade and more of MCU.
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Eh, I'm not so sure about that.
Keep in mind that one of the biggest reasons why so many normies kept showing up in droves every year for the MCU was precisely because they were tuning in to see Endgame and the big Infinity War saga.
Back when the MCU was taking off, there was this extensive chart where everything was broken up into three distinct phases all building up to the Infinity War at the end of Phase 3, and it was sort of implied that Infinity War/End Game would be the grand finale of the MCU.
Then Phase 4 got announced and it feels very aimless with no real sense of direction or even a vague idea of something to build towards, it feels more like a filler phase to hold the fort until they can finally bring in the X-Men and Fantastic Four.
COVID-19 threw everyone a curveball and the normies more or less got a chance to detox, and without the bored normies who just want to see a flashy popcorn movie on a summer weekend the only thing left holding up the MCU are the dangerhair punk sows and bearded wide-mouth consoomer bugmen. Those people alone aren't enough to keep a franchise as big-budget as the MCU profitable.
Just because people want a return to normalcy does not necessarily mean they want a return to the capeshit fad of the 2010's either, especially now that Endgame is over and done with and the MCU was supposed to have ended back in 2019. Capeshit is now in a glut movie and TV wise and anything not part of the MCU is flopping, with the very noteworthy exception of Joker.
Joker succeeded partly because it was NOT a typical capeshit movie and that it was very much a DC Comics movie in name only, and that it was not part of the wider DCU. Todd Phillips himself outright said that Joker was supposed to be an original movie, but he had to tie it into DC Comics so Warner Brothers would fund the movie and so he had to make some minor script rewrites.
I'd say a lot of the big cancel campaign that Twitter SJW's launched against the movie was due to astroturfing on the part of Disney, who feared the potential competition.
The average moviegoer probably doesn't care about Phase 4 or obsessively follow Marvel, they'll be more likely to see Phase 4 as either a shallow cash in to keep the franchise warm before they can bring in X-Men or Disney being greedy and trying to beat a dying horse.
Phase 1-3 got a lot of attention because everything was pre-planned and Disney went above and beyond to make sure everyone knew about it and that they should keep tuning in.
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- 14 de Jul, 2018
I think you're right that nothing is a guarantee, at the same time assuming the future of Marvel movies is rather a dead end is a big assumption that I don't agree with.
First off you're thinking that the MCU was a much more solid foundation than it actually was. Iron Man is a certifiable classic, one of the best superhero movies in all sincerity. Robert Downey Jr was amazingly charismatic and the script was sharp and funny. But think about how much was abandoned. Remember how Iron Man 1 was building up the Ten Rings Terrorist Organization with the Mandarin being this big arch nemesis? They ended up abandoning that shit when Disney/Marvel realized that making a chinese guy the big bad might elicit a negative response from China. Iron Man 3 reduced The Mandarin into a forgettable comic relief. Frankly Iron Man 2 and 3 were rather forgettable movies. Thor 1 was a big dumb movie that everyone pretty much forgot, Captain America was a nice little scrappy origin story that set up Chris Evans as a great protagonist but held little weight beyond that. They turned Cap's main comic villian Red Skull into a cameo for Infinity War because the top execs said "Wait a minute, do we really want a Not-Nazi as a central figure?"
While Thanos is still an iconic figure among the hardcore Marvel fans he really wasn't well known by your normie popcorn viewers. And Marvel retooled him turning him into a Malthusian anti-hero instead of a man who was in love with the personification of Death because that would be really complicated to explain to in a fast paced fashion. Phase Two is honestly my least favorite part of the MCU, while Captain America 2 and Guardians are fun movies the rest are really forgettable.
Phase 4 has some real potential to excite audiences because Fox was holding the keys to some iconic figures. The X-Men are still some of the most iconic characters, don't forget Logan was the first real R-Rated Superhero movie and was very well received like Joker. For villains they now have Magneto, Sentinels, and Galactus who I'm willing to bet is going to be the big villian of one of the Avengers movies. They also have another "Civil War" type fighting event to adapt with X-Men vs Avengers which I have to admit I'll be very excited to see.
You're right that it could go wrong, but I think the appeal of Marvel is still strong. At the end of the day I want to see Spider-Man fight Wolverine in a Live Action/CGI event. A crossover like that still makes me happy even when it was done in the poorly aged Spider-Man cartoon. There's a big hole for Disney to fill with Iron Man and Captain America now out of the picture, but there's still a lot of stupidly fun capeshit to be had.
Theaters might be a thing of the past, but Disney wants Disney+ subscribers and people buying merchandise. Because of the current situation the future of the MCU might become smaller in scale but there's still a demand for it.
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I do think I should've been more clear...I'm not saying that the MCU is destined to fall in Phase 4 but if we're going to see the MCU finally crash and burn and the capeshit fad finally end, it will probably happen in Phase 4 where we're in this weird limbo where Endgame is over and done with but we can't get X-Men and Fantastic Four characters into the mix just yet.
If Disney can keep the franchise alive just long enough for them to bring in Wolverine, Magneto, and all the other X-Men icons, the MCU will likely be bigger than ever (and may God have mercy on us all if that does happen)
As much as I hate the superhero genre at this point, I do have to admit it does have a built-in appeal but a lot of the MCU's momentum was because of how much The Avengers was a smash success and that after Disney took the reigns, they had everything meticulously planned out and only made a few adjustments here and there.
Keep in mind that Guardians of the Galaxy was one of those "dark horse" movies that a made a lot of people think the MCU could flop since the IP was obscure, but they marketed it well and played up the campy and kitschy humor and the kickass 70's soundtrack (the one thing I liked about that movie, tbh) and if it weren't for that movie, Thanos wouldn't have become the fan favorite he is among the moviegoers.
But Eternals is shaping up to be an entirely different beast than Guardians of the Galaxy and it's a lot more insufferably woke. Also, China is no longer the powerhouse market it was thanks to COVID-19 and that market is even more dependent on theaters than the US is, since most of the streaming there is likely done through illegal piracy given how Chinese internet is.
Captain Marvel and Black Panther were bad MCU capeshit in their own right but nearly all of the "woke" shit about them had more to do with social media hyping up those movies than anything in the movies themselves.
Eternals and Lady Thor don't seem to be the case, and seem to lean into the identity politics trap and that could hurt them greatly.
Theaters might not be a thing of the past if the COVID-19 pandemic lockdowns don't extend past 2020, but I do think a lot of the chains will be downsizing massively at the very least and we will see a shift away from chain multiplexes for sure.
Given how drive-ins of all things thrived in all this, we might even see a revival of smaller and independently-owned theaters (think along the lines of the dollar theaters, second-run theaters, and grindhouses) with far lower overhead and operating costs becoming more common
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Good point I fully agree with what you're saying. One thing to keep in mind though is that Disney thanks to Iger's reign is now more or less the equivalent to Microsoft.
Microsoft is such a massive important company that generates so much money that it can and fail in spectacular fashion but just move on. In the mid-2010s Microsoft had its head set on the "War for the Living Room", and the Xbox One was designed and marketed as the only device one needed plugged into one's TV. As we all know that failed and they ended up losing the console war to Sony. Has Microsoft given up? Of course not.
Phase 4 could indeed underwhelm audiences, but in a few years they'll just come in with Phase 5 or 6 or just reboot the damn thing if it sucks so hard.
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To be fair Disney aren't behind the most widely used OS in the world.
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Let me rephrase, they should try experimenting a bit, maybe play into groups that would be considered niche in comparison to Marvel and Star Wars. Tron is still a big fanbase. It is not as big as Marvel, but there is still potential there for a franchise. Maybe bring the Muppets back and treat them as a higher priority. Disney owns a ton of franchises, but they have only really been using 2 to much success, at least on film. They really need to expand their catalog, I would say 2/3 of the movies they produce are nostalgia bait (remakes and Star Wars) while the other 1/3 is Marvel, a studio that rarely changes the formula.
Even using Star Wars and Marvel, they could make more experimental films and gain decent success for less budget. DC is already getting a head start as since 2017’s Justice League failure, they really just let anyone work on films without corporate meddling to make them more appealing. Joker was really the prime example of this working, the film was as niche as niche could be in terms of superhero flicks, yet it actually made back more cash than End Game. Even leaving out Joker, films like TTG go to the Movies and LEGO Batman we’re parody animated flicks that did well, and Shazam was surprisingly successful for being its own little thing. The only loss so far has been Birds of Prey, but Joker pretty much saved Warner already and DC’s audience is more willing to write it off as a dud from a previous era because the last films have all changed up the formula.
Going forward, I do not see playing it safe as a good idea. The Marvel rut is likely to hit soon and Star Wars is still pretty damaged. Throwing millions into a single project may be just as bad an idea as having tons of smaller ones. There is only so much more they can do with Marvel, remakes, or Star Wars.
They have merchandise now, but for some reason, CN always goes a year or two without. Maybe they are seeing what the success rate is.
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What the fuck did you just fucking say about Spider-Man: The Animated Series, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to TAS over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
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- 5 de Mayo, 2019
I see no connection between a movie having a talking raccoon, and it being ineligible for political propaganda.
Harry Potter's main villain fucks a Vietnamese snake woman while the protagonists literally shit their pants and people unironically look at those books as gospel.
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Good luck "combating' that going forward, I guess.
InsolentGaylord
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Isn't this "It's a movie about space wizards made for kids"?
Also the contrarian shtick has gotten old.
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Anyone at any time could have answered when I asked "What constitutes a bomb", "why do people think the casual audience is actively fearing "woke", and "what makes any of you so sure they're be so willing to refuse to switch to more popular characters, sacrificing billions in order to prove some moral point to somebody" and nobody did.
You specifically never try to say much of anything outside random bursts of REEEEEEEEEEEE! so I'm not sure what you think being chastised by you amounts to.
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I generally enjoy muppet stuff, but when was the last time they were actually a major success?
InsolentGaylord
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You ask loaded questions and you likely won't get a response. We don't know the ins and out and can only speculate.
Though, this is you pretty much right now.
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- 20 de Feb, 2019
There was a movie in 2011 back that was critically acclaimed but did only alright in the box office. There was a sequel in 2014 that bombed.
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yeah and iirc going back through the 90s they did a lot of "only alright" at the box office, too
maybe there's a place for muppets these days, maybe not, but that place is definitely not the center of a media empire
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Actually dis me when I see ur posts
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Also remember when they tried to do a The Office version of Muppets.
The Muppets | official trailer (2015) Kermit Miss Piggy
official trailer for the upcoming TV show The Muppets
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Actually dis me when I see ur posts
Okay Faggot What's Next
Also remember when they tried to do a The Office version of Muppets.
The Muppets | official trailer (2015) Kermit Miss Piggy
official trailer for the upcoming TV show The Muppets
So you admit you want to suck my dick?