Opinion How Is Keeping up Confederate Statues Patriotic?

How Is Keeping up Confederate Statues Patriotic?

By Ben Cohen
June 14, 2020


(JNS) — The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) agreed last week to the removal of a small number of headstones in U.S. military cemeteries that were engraved with the Nazi swastika and the Iron Cross.
The stones marked the graves of captive German soldiers who were interred at two cemeteries in this country after World War II—Fort Sam Houston National Cemetery in Texas and Fort Douglas Post Cemetery in Utah. In addition to the offending symbols, their headstones also carried the following inscription: “He died far from his home for the Führer, people and fatherland.”
One might have assumed that, given their content, removing the headstones would not have been an issue for the VA. In fact, the department’s first response was to insist that they remain in place. In a mid-May letter to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), an advocacy group that brought the headstones’ existence to light, the VA argued that it had a “duty” to preserve the markers. But then several members of Congress objected to the presence of the headstones, leading the department to reverse its initial decision. It was “understandably upsetting to our veterans and their families to see Nazi inscriptions near those who gave their lives for this nation,” VA Secretary Robert Wilkie acknowledged at the beginning of June. “That’s why the VA will initiate the process required to replace these POW headstones.”
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RICHMOND, VA – JUNE 11: Workers remove a police memorial statue covered in red paint by protesters on June 11, 2020 in Richmond, Virginia. protesters also tore down statues of Christopher Columbus and Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of the America during the Civil War. (Photo by Zach Gibson/Getty Images)
Not surprisingly, amid the ongoing coronavirus pandemic and the Black Lives Matter protests sparked by the police murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis, the Nazi graves spat at the VA didn’t receive much media airplay. Still, the issues raised by this episode, along with its outcome, are relevant to the ongoing national clash over the continued presence of Confederate statues and war memorials in U.S. cities.
The last time that the visual baggage of the Confederacy animated the country to this extent was in 2017, with the violent white-supremacist show of force in Charlottesville, Va. Back then, as now, U.S. President Donald Trump made no secret of where he stood, using his Twitter feed to decry “the removal of our beautiful statues and monuments” and asking rhetorically, “Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson—who’s next, Washington, Jefferson?”
Trump made the same point in similar fashion amid the latest round of protests against racism, which have included widespread demands for the renaming of U.S. military bases named in honor of Confederate commanders. “These Monumental and very Powerful Bases have become part of a Great American Heritage, and a history of Winning, Victory, and Freedom,” he tweeted—again, glibly subsuming the secessionist, slave-owning Confederacy within the broad, triumphant sweep of American history.
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President Trump holds up a Bible outside of St. John’s Episcopal church across Lafayette Park in Washington, D.C., on Monday.
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This is a deeply suspect line of argument, and the episode over the presence of Nazi headstones in our military cemeteries helps explain why.
In that example, what was being objected to was not the physical remains of the German POWs, but the horrendous manner in which that presence was acknowledged. Some neutral inscription on the headstones would have been respectful and civilized, and a far cry from the encomium to Hitler that ended up on them. With the removal of the headstones, an unseemly wrong—the presence of the symbols of a mortal enemy in the very locations where American veterans are buried—has been righted. And I would argue that the same moral logic applied here should apply to the Confederate memorabilia around us.
What was being objected to was not the physical remains of the German POWs, but the horrendous manner in which that presence was acknowledged.
Now, you might object that one cannot in decency compare the officers and soldiers of the Confederacy with the external enemy that was Nazi Germany. After all, many leading Confederates, including Braxton Bragg, for whom the famous base in North Carolina is named, and Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederacy, were honored veterans of the Mexican-American war of 1846-48, and considered to be great and sage patriots. The Civil War they helped initiate a little more than a decade later was not the result of outside aggression, according to this argument, but a tragic conflict within the American family that politics alone was not able to resolve.
This interpretation of history is one of the factors behind Trump’s vocal rejection of the removal of Confederate memorials. It might seem patriotic, but in reality, it isn’t—not least because the values and the vision of American society that the Confederacy represented had eventually to be defeated on the battlefield at what was, especially by the standards of that time, a staggering human cost.
In institutional terms, some current signs can be seen of a move against the commemoration of the Confederacy. Defense Secretary Mark Esper has mooted a “bipartisan discussion” on the renaming of military bases, while the U.S. Navy has outlawed the display of Confederate flags aboard its ships and in other facilities. But as the Jewish experience reminds us only too well, changes in institutional behavior aren’t necessarily mirrored in public opinion. Especially with Trump in the White House, the segment of opinion that twists its perverse regard for the Confederacy into an American value will continue to assert itself aggressively.
If we are no longer prepared to tolerate Nazi symbols as an ongoing presence in our military cemeteries, then we should treat the symbols of the Confederate betrayal of the United States in a similar manner.
The only response to this misrepresentation is to point to the historical record. “These bases are, after all, federal installations, home to soldiers who swear an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States,” the former head of the CIA, Gen. David Petraeus, wrote recently in The Atlantic. “The irony of training at bases named for those who took up arms against the United States, and for the right to enslave others, is inescapable to anyone paying attention.” If we are no longer prepared to tolerate Nazi symbols as an ongoing presence in our military cemeteries, then we should treat the symbols of the Confederate betrayal of the United States in a similar manner.
Ben Cohen is a New York City-based journalist and author who writes a weekly column on Jewish and international affairs for JNS.


 
How is keeping them up keeping history?

I honestly have no idea how to respond to this....... you have me at a total loss..... if you can't see it right there, I have nothing further to add.

That is pretty fucked up and would be like Germany keeping Hitler statues up.

There are WWII monuments in Germany... should we tear them down because they fought for Hitler?

There are Confederate statues to those who fought, there isn't a single one of a white man standing on the back of black man sayin "AIn't Slavery Great!?" just as there's no statue of Hitler himself gassing Jews in Germany

The two are not the same. A statue to a Civil War soldier is not a 1 to 1 equivalent of HITLER, come on....

Honor the soldier if not the war.
 
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I suspect there is nuance between different monuments and statues, just as there is nuance between a monument and a statue. I can't really comment on the removal of statues dedicated to the Confederation. I will say it rubs me the wrong way on a fundamental level. Its the matter of the POW headstones that bothers me. Regardless of how I may feel about the ideology Nazi soldiers fought for, once taken as POWs the US has a responsibility to them. I wouldn't mind if the US determined to exhume them and put them in a separate grave yard for POWs specifically, but to remove the headstones because we find their cause offensive is itself a grotesque act. The markers do not celebrate Nazism but rather honor the passing of a person who gave their life for their country. We respect that sacrifice, even if we don't respect the country they sacrificed for. We should all hope that if we or our children should fall in a foreign country our grave markers might not be torn away because our homeland has become unpopular or our causes yet more maligned with the passage of time.
 
Stupid. It was about States Rights not slavery.

Even if it was it's apart of history. You can't just tear down history.
States rights to....? Please fill in the blank.
Here’s a hint. It all leads back to slavery.

you can parrot that tired abbeville society shit all day. It was about STATES RIGHTS, to determine whether the buying and selling of human beings should be legal, and still counted as 3/5 of a person so a bunch of rich slave holders could hang on to House of Representatives power.

In before some grand wizard in training makes the usual not even human jokes.

edit to be on topic: we haven’t forgotten hitler and his statues got pulled down.
 
Colorado has marijuana usage in its constitution. If the feds came in and started arresting people for marijuana leading colorado and other states dissatisfied with the feds to fight back. Would we call it the weed war where the state's fought back because they just wanted to get high or would we examine the whole context of the situation as overreach by the federal powers?

Was the whiskey rebellion because people just wanted to get plastered or is the larger context about the federal power on taxation?

WWI saw the blood shed it had just because some dude was shot? Ignoring the larger context of the great powers entangled alliances, world power and policy.

Don't know why the civil war is a stripped of context, reduced to "it's just about slaves" when theres clearly alot more going on with slavery just being the match to light the powder keg.
 
Except in the case of the civil war the slave issue was the match AND powder keg.

Sure there were things the parties disagreed on, but they were never going to fight a war about those absent the slavery issue.

Now, you want to talk about the folklore hero pastiche of Johnny Reb? Yeah he probably wasn’t on the front lines with a roughly 60% chance of not coming home intact or at all for slavery. He also wasn’t the one with political power. He was there because he had to be.

Respect Johnny Reb. Jefferson Davis and John Calhoun can go fuck themselves.
 
Except in the case of the civil war the slave issue was the match AND powder keg.

Sure there were things the parties disagreed on, but they were never going to fight a war about those absent the slavery issue.

Edit: we seem to largely agree about the role and attitude of Johnny Reb in the civil war.

Unfortunately my knowledge of civil war history and politics lacks at a certain point and it would be a disservice to keep arguing just for my ego.
 
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Lol that you speds think I am mad.
I thought you "probably" weren't going to use terms like "retard" anymore, because they were so offensive. Guess that was just a virtue signal. But hey, this is a "shitposting forum", so when you use offensive terms it's fine, but someone else uses offensive terms it's objective proof of bigotry
 
I thought you "probably" weren't going to use terms like "retard" anymore, because they were so offensive. Guess that was just a virtue signal. But hey, this is a "shitposting forum", so when you use offensive terms it's fine, but someone else uses offensive terms it's objective proof of bigotry

Hey, I make mistakes. I am human.

But lol you are mad enough to quote this in the "lol look at this faggot" thread. You are mad.
 
Grrrr I hate this forum and its right wing posters so much im going to obessely spend all my time posting and responding in it about how much I hate them. That will show them how not mad i am!

-hollywood hulk hogan




Fuck jamnies are pathetic for doing it for free but at least its usually out of a passion for sonething they enjoy. Hogan takes it to a whole new level of pathetic
 
Grrrr I hate this forum and its right wing posters so much im going to obessely spend all my time posting and responding in it about how much I hate them. That will show them how not mad i am!

-hollywood hulk hogan




Fuck jamnies are pathetic for doing it for free but at least its usually out of a passion for sonething they enjoy. Hogan takes it to a whole new level of pathetic
Im pretty sure he is on his alt account "Iamthatis" rn cuz he just came out of nowhere to repuzzle piece everything hulk said and gave hulk a bunch of checks, lol.

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Im pretty sure he is on his alt account "Iamthatis" rn cuz he just came out of nowhere to repuzzle piece everything hulk said and gave hulk a bunch of checks, lol.


I don't have an alt account. Sorry that I triggered you by calling you out for being a racist even though you try to hide it behind your "LOL THIS IS AN IRONIC ACCOUNT!" bullshit.
 
No, it's more that you're having an autistic slap fight with someone called @Xx_Retard Faggot 1488_xX over politics, and it's been going since yesterday. That doesn't sound like the kind of thing a calm person would do.

I have nothing else to do while I eat lunch with my laptop. It's cheap entertainment. It's not like I am quoting his posts every 5 minutes like they doing with mine
 
Lol what makes you think I wasn't calm when I posted that? Because I used capslock to imitate him?
Your clearly upset at "muh racism" cuz you are sitting on this website all day trying to "own the nazis", lol. I'm sorry that your such a fag that a simple word ruins your time and breaks you down, I guess I didn't realize that language can control people so easily. Now I see why the kikes use words to control people so much lol.

P.S. Hulk Hogan also is a fan of 1488
 
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