Opinion How Is Keeping up Confederate Statues Patriotic?

How Is Keeping up Confederate Statues Patriotic?

By Ben Cohen
June 14, 2020


(JNS) — The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) agreed last week to the removal of a small number of headstones in U.S. military cemeteries that were engraved with the Nazi swastika and the Iron Cross.
The stones marked the graves of captive German soldiers who were interred at two cemeteries in this country after World War II—Fort Sam Houston National Cemetery in Texas and Fort Douglas Post Cemetery in Utah. In addition to the offending symbols, their headstones also carried the following inscription: “He died far from his home for the Führer, people and fatherland.”
One might have assumed that, given their content, removing the headstones would not have been an issue for the VA. In fact, the department’s first response was to insist that they remain in place. In a mid-May letter to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), an advocacy group that brought the headstones’ existence to light, the VA argued that it had a “duty” to preserve the markers. But then several members of Congress objected to the presence of the headstones, leading the department to reverse its initial decision. It was “understandably upsetting to our veterans and their families to see Nazi inscriptions near those who gave their lives for this nation,” VA Secretary Robert Wilkie acknowledged at the beginning of June. “That’s why the VA will initiate the process required to replace these POW headstones.”
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RICHMOND, VA – JUNE 11: Workers remove a police memorial statue covered in red paint by protesters on June 11, 2020 in Richmond, Virginia. protesters also tore down statues of Christopher Columbus and Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of the America during the Civil War. (Photo by Zach Gibson/Getty Images)
Not surprisingly, amid the ongoing coronavirus pandemic and the Black Lives Matter protests sparked by the police murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis, the Nazi graves spat at the VA didn’t receive much media airplay. Still, the issues raised by this episode, along with its outcome, are relevant to the ongoing national clash over the continued presence of Confederate statues and war memorials in U.S. cities.
The last time that the visual baggage of the Confederacy animated the country to this extent was in 2017, with the violent white-supremacist show of force in Charlottesville, Va. Back then, as now, U.S. President Donald Trump made no secret of where he stood, using his Twitter feed to decry “the removal of our beautiful statues and monuments” and asking rhetorically, “Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson—who’s next, Washington, Jefferson?”
Trump made the same point in similar fashion amid the latest round of protests against racism, which have included widespread demands for the renaming of U.S. military bases named in honor of Confederate commanders. “These Monumental and very Powerful Bases have become part of a Great American Heritage, and a history of Winning, Victory, and Freedom,” he tweeted—again, glibly subsuming the secessionist, slave-owning Confederacy within the broad, triumphant sweep of American history.
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President Trump holds up a Bible outside of St. John’s Episcopal church across Lafayette Park in Washington, D.C., on Monday.
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This is a deeply suspect line of argument, and the episode over the presence of Nazi headstones in our military cemeteries helps explain why.
In that example, what was being objected to was not the physical remains of the German POWs, but the horrendous manner in which that presence was acknowledged. Some neutral inscription on the headstones would have been respectful and civilized, and a far cry from the encomium to Hitler that ended up on them. With the removal of the headstones, an unseemly wrong—the presence of the symbols of a mortal enemy in the very locations where American veterans are buried—has been righted. And I would argue that the same moral logic applied here should apply to the Confederate memorabilia around us.
What was being objected to was not the physical remains of the German POWs, but the horrendous manner in which that presence was acknowledged.
Now, you might object that one cannot in decency compare the officers and soldiers of the Confederacy with the external enemy that was Nazi Germany. After all, many leading Confederates, including Braxton Bragg, for whom the famous base in North Carolina is named, and Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederacy, were honored veterans of the Mexican-American war of 1846-48, and considered to be great and sage patriots. The Civil War they helped initiate a little more than a decade later was not the result of outside aggression, according to this argument, but a tragic conflict within the American family that politics alone was not able to resolve.
This interpretation of history is one of the factors behind Trump’s vocal rejection of the removal of Confederate memorials. It might seem patriotic, but in reality, it isn’t—not least because the values and the vision of American society that the Confederacy represented had eventually to be defeated on the battlefield at what was, especially by the standards of that time, a staggering human cost.
In institutional terms, some current signs can be seen of a move against the commemoration of the Confederacy. Defense Secretary Mark Esper has mooted a “bipartisan discussion” on the renaming of military bases, while the U.S. Navy has outlawed the display of Confederate flags aboard its ships and in other facilities. But as the Jewish experience reminds us only too well, changes in institutional behavior aren’t necessarily mirrored in public opinion. Especially with Trump in the White House, the segment of opinion that twists its perverse regard for the Confederacy into an American value will continue to assert itself aggressively.
If we are no longer prepared to tolerate Nazi symbols as an ongoing presence in our military cemeteries, then we should treat the symbols of the Confederate betrayal of the United States in a similar manner.
The only response to this misrepresentation is to point to the historical record. “These bases are, after all, federal installations, home to soldiers who swear an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States,” the former head of the CIA, Gen. David Petraeus, wrote recently in The Atlantic. “The irony of training at bases named for those who took up arms against the United States, and for the right to enslave others, is inescapable to anyone paying attention.” If we are no longer prepared to tolerate Nazi symbols as an ongoing presence in our military cemeteries, then we should treat the symbols of the Confederate betrayal of the United States in a similar manner.
Ben Cohen is a New York City-based journalist and author who writes a weekly column on Jewish and international affairs for JNS.


 
Shouldn't you be posting with the other racist trash on Storm Front?
Why do you feel like your succeeding by throwing "racist" and "white supremacist" around? this is twitter-tier rhetoric that means nothing to me, or most people here, these are buzzwords for anitfa fags to feel like they are the gud goys.

Again, judge by my name, you clearly missed the first 2 words: "retard faggot". I don't care enough to be posting in /pol/ or other dumb shit. I like to shitpost on here and give rough takes on shit that doesn't really matter. This is all for fun and you clearly aren't having fun. :(
 
Your username is "Retard Faggot 1488" and you're throwing the n-word around, and you are denying being a racist? Jesus christ, at least have the balls to own it, pussy
I'll own the fact I do not believe all people are the same, just like men and women are not the same. I'll admit I like whites better then other races, but if you ask a black whose is better, what do you think they'll tell you? "we waz equal and sheet."? And no, I do not go out and treat blacks like dirt, if they are nice to me, I will be nice back. If they act like a nigger, I'll call them a nigger. To their face, trust me, I've done it before.
 
Imagine trying to entirely destroy the south's method of providing agriculture for the entire country by removing their entire work force without any help to keep it falling a part, in a time the south is already struggling as the economy an policies were favoring the industrial north.
Now imagine this scenario above, and how the south had to keep all of the slaves working. just try to pretend that all they did was beat them and starve them all day, the reality and the sob story narrative do not line up. The form of slavery in the U.S. was during the 1800s, despite being slavery, it was not medival torture like how the left likes to pretend it is.

no, it was much worse.
 
If we are no longer prepared to tolerate Nazi symbols as an ongoing presence in our military cemeteries, then we should treat the symbols of the Confederate betrayal of the United States in a similar manner.
Wow wow wow
Slow down their bud, that matter of contention hasn't been resolved yet. We're still not at the point where we just pull up tombstones no matter how much the jewish post or jewish journal wants that.
This is a good reminder that if you give them an inch, you're simply opening yourself to giving them everything
 
I think we're straying from the real issue.

People are arguing it's okay to destroy history if it offends them....

That is an indefensible position, just holding it means you think history, stuff that factually happened, is negotiable, that things that happened can be undone, that it should be edited to fit modern sensibilities...... I don't know whether that's stunning arrogance or stunning stupidity.

And who thinks the lives of poor black people in the ghetto with no job prospects, no education prospects, and a high chance of being killed by their neighbors for something as simple as their shoes, is going to IMPROVE even if we DO commit the folly of scrubbing away the past?

Nobody out there gets a paycheck when a confederate statue falls down....

Nobody who has dedicated themselves to being a gangbanger suddenly sees job offers come in just because you righteously took a sledgehammer to a marble edifice and called it "Justice" ....

Nobody out there thinks black people are fine, and then sees a Confederate War monument and thinks "Well, if they fought a war to keep em' slaves, guess I was wrong and they really ARE second-class humans" - that does NOT happen.

Whatever you think of the civil war or race in society, this orgy of iconoclastic destruction helps NO ONE.

If you think I'm wrong, please let me know, exactly WHOSE life is better today because a statute they probably never saw and never knew existed got knocked over?
 
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It's historical value you stupid fuck. In a nation which is not even 250 years old, shit like that matters to the people who live there. America doesn't have 1000 year old medieval or dark age castles or churches or vast palaces like most of the world to rely on. its history is brief and can be found in the statues, flags, weapons and documents. It's a modern country and people should fight to keep those statues and items alive, because they matter.

This is all straight out of the communist playbook. Destroy statues we don't like, destroy books/information/entertainment we don't like, replace with worship of things we do like.
 
It's historical value you stupid fuck. In a nation which is not even 250 years old, shit like that matters to the people who live there. America doesn't have 1000 year old medieval or dark age castles or churches or vast palaces like most of the world to rely on. its history is brief and can be found in the statues, flags, weapons and documents. It's a modern country and people should fight to keep those statues and items alive, because they matter.

This is all straight out of the communist playbook. Destroy statues we don't like, destroy books/information/entertainment we don't like, replace with worship of things we do like.

Agree, keeping the statutes is not" patriotic", but that's not the reason they exist. They weren't put up to celebrate patriotism.

They exist because they're historic, and leaving historic monuments up even if they offend certain people's politics and sensibility is called "Not being a Socialist dystopia"
 
The statues represent the dead, it is not a matter of patriotism but a manner of honor and preserving our past good and bad. With current politics its just another inch, every time the goal posts are moved its going to be more and more. Why not the statues of the 'evil' founding fathers or blow up Mt. Rushmore? Why not the 'evil' statue of liberty because it was given to us by the french? Destroy the memorials and museums of all past wars because they glorify America's 'evil'? Why not remove all their names from the history books so such 'evil' won't rise again? It will never be enough until nothing of America's past, and in turn future, remains.

With that said, lets take another angle at this. How many of you would have rooted for blowing up gulf war memorial in Iraq during the occupation? Yes, the one honoring the sacrifices of Iraq's solders that faced American troops.
 
It's got jack shit to do with Confederacy at this point.

They're after Jefferson, Churchill, Gandhi etc currently. One owned slaves, the other was mean to pajeets, the third openly detested niggers, etc, ad absurdum. Literally no historical figure before late 20th century is acceptable anymore, since literally everybody back then disliked niggers and fags. If they were one, they hated the another. And if there happened to be a Black Kinsey level 6 homo public figure somewhere (cant't think of one right now), he'd probably be screaming for ze Flammenwerfer if he saw today's troons.

It's just cultural REEEvolution vol 2.0 and should be treated of such.
 
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