Opinion How Is Keeping up Confederate Statues Patriotic?

How Is Keeping up Confederate Statues Patriotic?

By Ben Cohen
June 14, 2020


(JNS) — The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) agreed last week to the removal of a small number of headstones in U.S. military cemeteries that were engraved with the Nazi swastika and the Iron Cross.
The stones marked the graves of captive German soldiers who were interred at two cemeteries in this country after World War II—Fort Sam Houston National Cemetery in Texas and Fort Douglas Post Cemetery in Utah. In addition to the offending symbols, their headstones also carried the following inscription: “He died far from his home for the Führer, people and fatherland.”
One might have assumed that, given their content, removing the headstones would not have been an issue for the VA. In fact, the department’s first response was to insist that they remain in place. In a mid-May letter to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), an advocacy group that brought the headstones’ existence to light, the VA argued that it had a “duty” to preserve the markers. But then several members of Congress objected to the presence of the headstones, leading the department to reverse its initial decision. It was “understandably upsetting to our veterans and their families to see Nazi inscriptions near those who gave their lives for this nation,” VA Secretary Robert Wilkie acknowledged at the beginning of June. “That’s why the VA will initiate the process required to replace these POW headstones.”
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RICHMOND, VA – JUNE 11: Workers remove a police memorial statue covered in red paint by protesters on June 11, 2020 in Richmond, Virginia. protesters also tore down statues of Christopher Columbus and Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of the America during the Civil War. (Photo by Zach Gibson/Getty Images)
Not surprisingly, amid the ongoing coronavirus pandemic and the Black Lives Matter protests sparked by the police murder of George Floyd in Minneapolis, the Nazi graves spat at the VA didn’t receive much media airplay. Still, the issues raised by this episode, along with its outcome, are relevant to the ongoing national clash over the continued presence of Confederate statues and war memorials in U.S. cities.
The last time that the visual baggage of the Confederacy animated the country to this extent was in 2017, with the violent white-supremacist show of force in Charlottesville, Va. Back then, as now, U.S. President Donald Trump made no secret of where he stood, using his Twitter feed to decry “the removal of our beautiful statues and monuments” and asking rhetorically, “Robert E Lee, Stonewall Jackson—who’s next, Washington, Jefferson?”
Trump made the same point in similar fashion amid the latest round of protests against racism, which have included widespread demands for the renaming of U.S. military bases named in honor of Confederate commanders. “These Monumental and very Powerful Bases have become part of a Great American Heritage, and a history of Winning, Victory, and Freedom,” he tweeted—again, glibly subsuming the secessionist, slave-owning Confederacy within the broad, triumphant sweep of American history.
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President Trump holds up a Bible outside of St. John’s Episcopal church across Lafayette Park in Washington, D.C., on Monday.
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This is a deeply suspect line of argument, and the episode over the presence of Nazi headstones in our military cemeteries helps explain why.
In that example, what was being objected to was not the physical remains of the German POWs, but the horrendous manner in which that presence was acknowledged. Some neutral inscription on the headstones would have been respectful and civilized, and a far cry from the encomium to Hitler that ended up on them. With the removal of the headstones, an unseemly wrong—the presence of the symbols of a mortal enemy in the very locations where American veterans are buried—has been righted. And I would argue that the same moral logic applied here should apply to the Confederate memorabilia around us.
What was being objected to was not the physical remains of the German POWs, but the horrendous manner in which that presence was acknowledged.
Now, you might object that one cannot in decency compare the officers and soldiers of the Confederacy with the external enemy that was Nazi Germany. After all, many leading Confederates, including Braxton Bragg, for whom the famous base in North Carolina is named, and Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederacy, were honored veterans of the Mexican-American war of 1846-48, and considered to be great and sage patriots. The Civil War they helped initiate a little more than a decade later was not the result of outside aggression, according to this argument, but a tragic conflict within the American family that politics alone was not able to resolve.
This interpretation of history is one of the factors behind Trump’s vocal rejection of the removal of Confederate memorials. It might seem patriotic, but in reality, it isn’t—not least because the values and the vision of American society that the Confederacy represented had eventually to be defeated on the battlefield at what was, especially by the standards of that time, a staggering human cost.
In institutional terms, some current signs can be seen of a move against the commemoration of the Confederacy. Defense Secretary Mark Esper has mooted a “bipartisan discussion” on the renaming of military bases, while the U.S. Navy has outlawed the display of Confederate flags aboard its ships and in other facilities. But as the Jewish experience reminds us only too well, changes in institutional behavior aren’t necessarily mirrored in public opinion. Especially with Trump in the White House, the segment of opinion that twists its perverse regard for the Confederacy into an American value will continue to assert itself aggressively.
If we are no longer prepared to tolerate Nazi symbols as an ongoing presence in our military cemeteries, then we should treat the symbols of the Confederate betrayal of the United States in a similar manner.
The only response to this misrepresentation is to point to the historical record. “These bases are, after all, federal installations, home to soldiers who swear an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States,” the former head of the CIA, Gen. David Petraeus, wrote recently in The Atlantic. “The irony of training at bases named for those who took up arms against the United States, and for the right to enslave others, is inescapable to anyone paying attention.” If we are no longer prepared to tolerate Nazi symbols as an ongoing presence in our military cemeteries, then we should treat the symbols of the Confederate betrayal of the United States in a similar manner.
Ben Cohen is a New York City-based journalist and author who writes a weekly column on Jewish and international affairs for JNS.


 
First: Ben (((Cohen))).

Second: pretty much immediately after Appomattox, Union states were willing to accept Confederate members (who surrendered) back into the country. Fighting may have continued in pockets of Dixie (not every Confederate platoon agreed with Lee's formal surrender), but a majority of Americans (even Union soldiers) were sympathetic to "Johnny Reb" as a concept, particularly the ones who died fighting for what they believed in. This is why statues of those men exist in the first place.

It says something that over 100 years later, Americans are less sympathetic to the Confederacy than the people they were actually shooting at. Or maybe it doesn't say anything, and this is just another (((Cohen))) trying to sew divisiveness yet again.
 
Because the US was involved in that war too, you know? It was a US-fought war? Half the fighting was done by US troops, and ALL of it was done by US citizens?

People seem to think the Confederates were aliens that showed up Independence Day style and tried to kill us all... and trying to memorialize the deaths is somehow deifying this race of evil murder-bugs from beyond the Moon that weren't even people, much less Americans....

I mean, why dont put them in a museum?

They'll want to burn the museum, then.

These people have to concept of history, or the purpose of historical monuments and collections.

All they know is, what they don't like is theirs to destroy, guilt-free, their "teachers" told them so.
 
Because the US was involved in that war too, you know? It was a US-fought war? Half the fighting was done by US troops, and ALL of it was done by US citizens?

People seem to think the Confederates were aliens that showed up Independence Day style and tried to kill us all... and trying to memorialize the deaths is somehow deifying this race of evil murder-bugs from beyond the Moon that weren't even people, much less Americans....



They'll want to burn the museum, then.

These people have to concept of history, or the purpose of historical monuments and collections.

All they know is, what they don't like is theirs to destroy, guilt-free, their "teachers" told them so.

Put them in a museum, sure. But the confederates were literally fighting to leave the union for the state's rights to enslave black people. I don't blame people for being offended at statues memorializing confederate soldiers. They wanted to leave the US AND wanted to be able to enslave black people, so fuck them
 
Put them in a museum, sure. But the confederates were literally fighting to leave the union for the state's rights to enslave black people. I don't blame people for being offended at statues memorializing confederate soldiers. They wanted to leave the US AND wanted to be able to enslave black people, so fuck them

The blatant nigger worship, bordering on fetishism, that permeates through modern America is disquieting. Google "civil war states rights" and you will receive ten pages of blatant damage control articles, all adamantly speaking on behalf of a group nobody alive today has ever interacted with. The insistence "it was really about slavery" is forced down the throat of anybody who dares research the topic, with no mention of the other states' rights, various tariffs or economic woes that helped ignite the Civil War. The pro-slavery side of the argument was so vindicated, in fact, that the Supreme Court supported them.
 
I mean, why dont put them in a museum?
They’ll do to the museum what they did to Dukes of Hazzard: digitally censor it but in this case, vandalize and destroy it by breaking the glass display of it.

i used to think the same way, until i had to realize that i can not overestimate their lack of self-awareness when they think burning and removing historical and private property is considered a win to these “people”
 
Because it's about states' histories. So much for constructivism and cultural sensitivity when even the possibility of white supremacy is suggested.
I don't blame people for being offended at statues memorializing confederate soldiers.
I also don't blame people for wanting to keep them up as they clearly loved their state and southern culture and values. Not to mention they serve as a big fuck you to the north because of the unmitigated disaster that reconstruction was. There are two ways to view them but neither side is willing to compromise. At least the side that wants to keep the statues up, for the most part, actually fucking lives there.
 
Put them in a museum, sure. But the confederates were literally fighting to leave the union for the state's rights to enslave black people. I don't blame people for being offended at statues memorializing confederate soldiers. They wanted to leave the US AND wanted to be able to enslave black people, so fuck them

Ehhhhhhhhhh. Gotta remember that succession was a thing before Lincoln demonstrated that it wasn't. The same attitude and mentality that said "fuck King George" lived on to eventually say "fuck the Feds and fuck Lincoln". Yeah, sure, you can hate them for it, but it's not as black and white as you're implying.

Moreover, some of these statues are memorials to the dead from these states. Something feels off about sequestering the memorials of your dead to the back end of some museum because "muh slavery".
 
Put them in a museum, sure. But the confederates were literally fighting to leave the union for the state's rights to enslave black people. I don't blame people for being offended at statues memorializing confederate soldiers. They wanted to leave the US AND wanted to be able to enslave black people, so fuck them

Imagine trying to entirely destroy the south's method of providing agriculture for the entire country by removing their entire work force without any help to keep it falling a part, in a time the south is already struggling as the economy an policies were favoring the industrial north.
Now imagine this scenario above, and how the south had to keep all of the slaves working. just try to pretend that all they did was beat them and starve them all day, the reality and the sob story narrative do not line up. The form of slavery in the U.S. was during the 1800s, despite being slavery, it was not medival torture like how the left likes to pretend it is.
 
Imagine trying to entirely destroy the south's method of providing agriculture for the entire country by removing their entire work force without any help to keep it falling a part, in a time the south is already struggling as the economy an policies were favoring the industrial north.
Now imagine this scenario above, and how the south had to keep all of the slaves working. just try to pretend that all they did was beat them and starve them all day, the reality and the sob story narrative do not line up. The form of slavery in the U.S. was during the 1800s, despite being slavery, it was not medival torture like how the left likes to pretend it is.

They should've done more to help the southern states after, but slavery is pretty fucked up and you are autistic as shit for trying to defend that
 
They should've done more to help the southern states after, but slavery is pretty fucked up and you are autistic as shit for trying to defend that
Not defending it, but also stating its:
a) a product of its time that was not as aweful at that point as it was said to be.
b) The point was that the south was heavily reliant on it and the countries agriculture would have collapse if the south just let it happen with no effort to help them.

and also before calling me autistic, please refer to my user name and know who your talking to.
 
The blatant nigger worship, bordering on fetishism, that permeates through modern America is disquieting. Google "civil war states rights" and you will receive ten pages of blatant damage control articles, all adamantly speaking on behalf of a group nobody alive today has ever interacted with. The insistence "it was really about slavery" is forced down the throat of anybody who dares research the topic, with no mention of the other states' rights, various tariffs or economic woes that helped ignite the Civil War. The pro-slavery side of the argument was so vindicated, in fact, that the Supreme Court supported them.

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"The Civil War was about muh slavery guys..."
 
In all honesty, I kinda find statues of people overall to be autistic all around, and I really can't think of anyone alive that I'd want a statue of other than for shitposty spiteful purposes, like a statue of Trump smack dab in the middle of San Francisco, entirely because it would make the whole city screech.

Though I'm never in favor of destroying art, it's a pretty terrible thing to do no matter what reason the art was created, though I guess the 21st century already has plenty of that from reasons ranging from political distress to sheer incompetence, like when King Tut's beard was broken off and epoxy'd back on in 2015:

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They should've done more to help the southern states after, but slavery is pretty fucked up and you are autistic as shit for trying to defend that
Slavery was normal and accepted way of doing things for many thousands of years. Projecting modern morality on the past is asinine, especially projecting it on to the time period where it was actually, in any effective way, being banned.

Its like you have no clue as to what history is.
 
The statues represent an individual's achievements in wartime, they don't celebrate the Confederacy itself. If we're going to celebrate the Union soldiers and generals who took the lives of their fellow countrymen, then why aren't we doing the same for the confederates?
 
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