Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

The Fall of Reach was released before Combat Evolved, and the EU for Halo is as canon as the games. Joe Staten himself wrote a novel for its EU. It's not and never has been a "canon-tier" situation.
That's funny, because I seem to recall a good deal of butthurt over inconsistencies between The Fall of Reach and Halo: Reach (even to the point of certain spergs suggesting that the latter, Bungie's swan-song to the Halo universe, be considered non-canonical).

I just find it funny that you go from using canon as gospel for your arguments to shitting on canon and claiming it deserves to be retconned at lightning speed whenever that canon disagrees with your argument.
I find it funny that you're so dead-set on believing that Catherine Halsey could be a child serial killer, in effect, and a "nice person." And yeah, if the canon is badly-written and nonsensical, it should be changed. You don't see too many SW EU fans bemoaning the Jedi Prince series being struck from primary continuity, notwithstanding that it predated a lot of the later EU works that conflicted with it in all sorts of ways.

Halsey isn't Traviss' character. If she can't respect what other writers had solidified before her, she shouldn't be writing for Halo.
The licensors obviously disagree with you.
 
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So here’s my impressions of Legacy Of The Force: Betrayal.

Jacen’s downfall, and the recontextualization of Vergere’s teachings. You see, delving into the EU as a newcomer, I heard nothing but awful things about these two plot developments, with them often cited as the precise, unfortunate moment in which the creative decline in the post-ROTJ EU went into full swing. And funnily enough, for all the insistence I keep hearing about neither one of these revelations feeling earned or organic in the story, I actually didn’t hate them at all. They weren’t executed perfectly, mind you, but I didn’t find them to be the canon-breaking character assassination gimmicks that I had been led to believe they were up until reading them myself. First and foremost is the complaint that Jacen’s Dark Side turn was abrupt and out of nowhere, poorly-devised and ill-fitting of his character. Putting aside all of the symptoms that were advertised with the subtlety of a foghorn in Dark Nest, I feel it worth mentioning that in NJO and LOTF, Jacen is constantly being written as a man haunted by visions and mounting all the responsibility for saving the galaxy and his loved ones on his shoulders alone. His actions here aren’t unreasonable or out of character considering that aspect of his character growth, especially considering how frantically he worked to try and course-correct the outcome of his visions throughout the entirety of NJO. One might compare this resurfacing in LOTF to Luke Skywalker in TLJ, showcasing the irrational urge to react to visions before he understands them, a lesson he already learned once before in ESB and is narratively lazy to kick into gear again for cheap drama. The difference, and what makes Jacen Solo repeating his mistakes from NJO (in an arguably worse fashion, this time around) is that Jacen hasn’t evolved into a wise master that should know better: he’s gotten more arrogant. He’s become calculating and callous, absorbed in what he believes to be a superior amalgamation of Force ideals over the Jedi, and he routinely proves how much he believes in the ends justifying the means. His journey since NJO has only basted and fostered his hubris, with him actively communicating that he thinks he knows better than the Jedi of Luke’s order, due to his experiences with the Vong and the diversified Force Teachings he’s incorporated during his spiritual exile prior to Dark Nest. Luke himself points out the problem in how Jacen embraces Vergere’s teachings as an older man have evolved into something misguided, stating that individual evil actions might seem logical for the sake of the greater good, but are hindered by the eventuality of snowballing into a callous, unfeeling philosophy of “ends over means”. And Jacen, feeling that his experiences and victory in previous conflicts make him unique, equipped with a higher understanding of the Force than those around him, dismisses Luke flatly.

For me, this is why Jacen’s turn doesn’t feel at odds with how his character has evolved since NJO. Ever since I found out that Lucas had ordained Jacen be the NJO hero who turns to the Dark Side, I was afraid that it was going to feel inorganic, tacked-on and forced, due to its nature as an editorial decision…but it didn’t. Everything from Jacen’s journey throughout NJO, to his symptoms of calculated manipulation and over self-reliance in Dark Nest, to all of his actions here, flow in a sensible and organic fashion. At no point did anything he said or did in these post-NJO books felt at odds with what had been established…it mostly made sense to me. Especially when you factor how Jacen’s experiences have isolated him from the rest of Luke’s Jedi Order, and have fueled him into thinking he knows better than all of them, even Luke.
I wanted to mention in response to this that one of the most beautifully horrible things about LOTF, and part of the reason why I've had a love-hate relationship with the series ever since, is that just about everything about Jacen's fall to the Dark Side feels consistent with the development of his personality over the entire duration of his existence as a published character, from the earliest snippets to the Young Jedi Knights series to The New Jedi Order to Dark Nest and ultimately Legacy, all combining, in hindsight, into this grand, terrible, sweeping arc of a rising hero setting himself ever more surely on the road to his own ultimate downfall.

Cumulatively, it's like watching an Olympic high-diver climb up the long ladder only to then gracefully leap from the diving-board and plunge, like a swan, into a pool of battery acid, and made all the worse by the knowledge that it was all so unnecessary, that Jacen could, at any point, have chosen to act differently, but in each case, his own flaws and foibles commended him to the unhappier path. It's something like Greek tragedy, and all the more surprising in that it was assembled piecemeal by something like a dozen different authors over the course of two decades. I want to hate it, but, as the Grand Admiral said, "it was so artistically done..." 🤔
 
I've offered opinions, suggestions, arguments and theories on the basis of my observations of the films and books. Some people have agreed, some have offered cogent counter-arguments, and some have elected to join the shit-flinging keyboard-monkey brigade and focus on merely calling me a self-evidently wrong dumb poopyhead rather than offering anything of substance in response. I can't really be expected to take the lattermost group seriously, I'm afraid.

Yes, I've seen you make good valid points and argue them in a sensible manner. I have seen you do the opposite, too. I don't care wether you're right or wrong, but you have argued points in a pretty idiotic manner. Point in case, you stating that something is self-evident in a movie when you are the only person to think it is.
No need to shit up a thread where that is not even remotely on topic, many, myself included, derailed the RLM Thread, which is why I pointed out to take it to the appropriate thread.
Which I have now done.
 
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Interesting choice. He doesn't have a deep resume, but what he has were pretty well acclaimed.

Has Spielberg finally gotten the memo that his shit stinks?
Ford vs Ferrari and Logan and Walk the Line were all excellent movies. The problem I think he’ll have is scramble to get this out.

Keep in mind even before Wuhan Fever fucked everything up, Indy 5 didn’t have their cast announced as filming was supposed to be happening around this time. But alas, a script hasn’t been set in stone yet.
 
Thinking objectively on all the Star Wars movies this is how I feel about the respective trilogies:


Original Trilogy: Honestly close to perfection as while there were some issues with Return of the Jedi, these movies will be classics forever for how they changed cinema. The characters and action set pieces are well done with a lot of memorable scenes, and a lot of great character development that really highlights the greatness of the three leads. There was a lot of passion put into these films by all involved and it really shows, and there is a reason these films are beloved. Almost everything was done to perfection that there really is no single part of the trilogy that stood out as really being the best.

Prequel Trilogy: Has a lot of issues with continuity and a lot of questionable creative decisions, but are still fun to watch at times with a lot of good moments. Revenge of the Sith is actually really good and could be held up to the Original Trilogy and the Prequels have a lot of campy moments and action scenes that make it worth watching. It also gave way for a lot of great Star Wars media like Gennedy Clone Wars and the Battlefront games along with some interesting lore. The Lightsaber fights were a definite highlight and really made lightsabers cool especially with the climatic fights in the first and third movies.

Sequel Trilogy: An uninspired corporate mess that had no planning whatsoever. Each movie is progressively worse than the last though The Last Jedi was the only one that at least tried to do something different and has more to think about in comparison to the other movies which were just bland ripoffs sucking off the teat of the originals. There was no creative vision and most of the characters are bland at best to outright annoying at worst with a lot of questionable lore decisions. Kylo Ren is probably the best character but that's not saying much and it's mostly because of Adam Driver's acting abilities. This never should've existed.
 
Yes, I've seen you make good valid points and argue them in a sensible manner. I have seen you do the opposite, too. I don't care wether you're right or wrong, but you have argued points in a pretty idiotic manner. Point in case, you stating that something is self-evident in a movie when you are the only person to think it is.

No need to shit up a thread where that is not even remotely on topic, many, myself included, derailed the RLM Thread, which is why I pointed out to take it to the appropriate thread.
Which I have now done.

I question whether this 'shits up' a thread about griefing over Space Wars.

It is true that the EU, for better or worse, is dead. Arguing over the merit of an author who thinks 3 million soldiers can wage a galactic campaign is meaningless when the merit of the EU is what can Dave Filoni and others plunder from it.
 
Given how Disney is hemorrhaging money right now, I expect massive layoffs in every department. And every project that isn’t a sequel or reboot getting canned.

It depends on whether any authors have received advances and/or produced anything. If money has exchanged hands then Disney is going to want whatever was commissioned, if not then it can be junked pretty easily.
 
Given how Disney is hemorrhaging money right now, I expect massive layoffs in every department. And every project that isn’t a sequel or reboot getting canned.

It depends on whether any authors have received advances and/or produced anything. If money has exchanged hands then Disney is going to want whatever was commissioned, if not then it can be junked pretty easily.

It's hard to imagine that they have many projects that aren't sequels or reboots.
 
One of the few hopes that I have for the future: With Disney having bought all these rights to all these IPs, that they start dying a slow, agonizing death during Corona, due to their funds being slowly reduced to negative infinity and Hollywood being forced to come up with new shit for a change.

I know, call me optimistic, but I hope that the concentration of old IPs in one hand combined with a massive global economical crisis will end up rejuvinating pop culture to stop regurgitating endlessly what has been popular 30 to 40 years ago.
... and if that fails, give us Dolemite-style blaxploitation schlock.
 
The Last Jedi was the only one that at least tried to do something different and has more to think about in comparison to the other movies

Every time I read this opinion or it's siblings 'at least he tried something different' or 'the bold gamble of Last Jedi' all I can think about is a shit sandwich.

Sure, putting a log of horrible putrescent worm filled hobo feces into a lightly grilled brioche bun with a slice of pickle is a bold gamble and a new, different way of making a sandwich. Nobody is going to want to eat it, though. It's also likely to kill any customers, and certain to kill the business.
 
Huh, he actually has some good qualities and I think COULD make an Indy movie work.

But this is Kathleen Kennedy, so I suspect this hints that he will either yaaas muh kween her and make a shit film, or she'll chimp when he actually tries to make a movie and replace him with a yes man. Or it's a fake and gay announcement to trick investors again.

I'd actually hope if I had confidence in Disney or Lucasfilms, which I won't until a big reshuffle.

Also very telling they can't even release books or comics now. Inept.
 
Huh, he actually has some good qualities and I think COULD make an Indy movie work.

But this is Kathleen Kennedy, so I suspect this hints that he will either yaaas muh kween her and make a shit film, or she'll chimp when he actually tries to make a movie and replace him with a yes man. Or it's a fake and gay announcement to trick investors again.

I'd actually hope if I had confidence in Disney or Lucasfilms, which I won't until a big reshuffle.

Also very telling they can't even release books or comics now. Inept.
I highly doubt they have any script in place.

Someone should tell Iger that it's okay to have no plan because it'll stop you from failing to make promise.
 
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