Why is fish not considered "meat" in certain circles?

[TFT-A9]

I wonder what we would call vegetarians who don't eat fish but still consume honey, tard cum, and other animal products that vegans believe is equitable to murder? Vegantarians? Veggans?

Edit: Thank you, word filter.

Vegans who consume honey/beeswax/etc. call themselves "beegans".

No, I'm not fucking joking.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

I see, I make a fish thread and I get called autistic, but OP makes a fish thread and he gets adoration in the form of likes. I see how it is.

Just to guess, I think fish being considered distinct from meat may go back as far as ancient times, because fish has traditionally been way cheaper than meat. A poor family may only have land-animal meat on their table a few times a year, but fish was a common part of anybody's diet, even for those living a ways in land (since it could be preserved and shipped).

 

[Creep3r]

I've always wondered the same thing.

Also pescatarians are usually pretty smug about it.

Pescatarians are essentially vegans who can't give up meat yet want all the same "saving the earth" bragging rights as vegans.

claimed that certain geese transformed in to barnacles

To be fair, goose barnacles can look pretty goosey...

... and also horrifying.

Like a little goose hydra.

 

[that jerk over there]

To be fair, goose barnacles can look a wee bit goosey...
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Like a little goose hydra.

I eat them anyway. They taste like gooey sea water but whatever, they go well with beer.
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[WarJams]

White girls do not fuck dogfish.

I mean, Lead Zeppelin would probably tell you otherwise.

 

[Citation Checking Project]

Ain't nobody gonna ask whether poultry is meat? In some cuisines that's not the case either.

 

[bonitoflakeprincess]

The Catholic Church allegedly also claims (or claimed) the capybara (basically a giant gerbil) to also be a fish and therefore able to be consumed during Lent. Just like in the same way pizza is a vegetable. It's bull but if it means people get to shove it in their faces no one cares.

I could of sworn I was watching something, and chicken was permitted as a foodsource, and rebranded "vegetable", or that it was "four footed animals not to be eaten", due to areas where choice in crop planting was limited.

I am wondering if some of it has to do with blood and bleeding. or if it's soft or not. I guess we need experts to tell us how and why aquatic animals are "not meat".

 

[hello FBI]

I would consider fish meat maybe am biased because vegetarian

 

[Perspicacity]

I think a lot of the logic has to do due with how the animals are caught and prepared. Livestock basically live a hellish existence, are slaughtered, and meticulously dismembered. Most fish/shellfish is literally just pulled out of the ocean and packaged/frozen to be eaten so it's seen as less cruel and generally more healthy. However with the rise of disgusting fish farming conditions in the pacific there is a lot of moral ambiguity there as well now, that and over fishing is a huge problem. As far as shellfish go anatomically there is a distinctl difference from vertebrates as they are effectively bugs in the ocean. I think this is why people feel that eating them is more morally ambiguous.

 

[AnOminous]

I could of sworn I was watching something, and chicken was permitted as a foodsource, and rebranded "vegetable", or that it was "four footed animals not to be eaten", due to areas where choice in crop planting was limited.

The Lent thing isn't a ritual purity thing, it's foregoing something you enjoy, so it doesn't really need to make religio-legal sense in the way kosher or halal does.

 

[Orion Balls]

There are only four meats: Beef, lamb, chicken, and pork. The existence of a fifth meat is a lie. Therefore, fish isn't meat.

 

[Shiversblood]

Men simply need the protein from the meat of a fish. I am going to eat only salad one day, eat one grilled chicken sandwich the next day then only salad rest of the day, and then the third day only salad again, and so on and so forth. Because I read it may help you lose weight. Grilled chicken is not fish, however, fried food causes weight gain I have read online.

 

[TaimuRadiu]

The short answer would probably have to do with all the rules lawyering medieval Christians did to make sure certain foods weren't "meat" so they could eat it during Lent. Which led to the classification of beavers as fish.

 

[bonitoflakeprincess]

The Lent thing isn't a ritual purity thing, it's foregoing something you enjoy, so it doesn't really need to make religio-legal sense in the way kosher or halal does.

no. this was some kind of Buddism thing. that only four footed animals were not permited. there were areas of the world where the soil could not allow various crops to flurish so, someone in power says "oh ok, two footed animals are not meat, birds are vegetables". it's just not a catholic and lent thing.

There are only four meats: Beef, lamb, chicken, and pork. The existence of a fifth meat is a lie. Therefore, fish isn't meat.

what about goats, deer, antalope, gazelle, kangaroo, rabbits...more https://www.exoticmeatmarkets.com/

 

[Shield Breaker]

The short answer would probably have to do with all the rules lawyering medieval Christians did to make sure certain foods weren't "meat" so they could eat it during Lent. Which led to the classification of beavers as fish.

It’s this. Catholics used to be forbidden from eating meat on any Friday and during fasting (which does not mean starving yourself btw). This became a bit of a problem and so they rules lawyered it to say fish wasn't meat. Nobility and priests later rules lawyered it more to make anything that spent a lot of time in the water was a fish.

 

[formershroomeryuser]

Men simply need the protein from the meat of a fish. I am going to eat only salad one day, eat one grilled chicken sandwich the next day then only salad rest of the day, and then the third day only salad again, and so on and so forth. Because I read it may help you lose weight. Grilled chicken is not fish, however, fried food causes weight gain I have read online.

There are many ways for men to get protein just to get extremely accurate in information George explained a health nutritionist

 

[Uranus Pink]

I mean, Lead Zeppelin would probably tell you otherwise.

So other than eels and octopi, what other fish Led Zeppelin suggested?

 

[AnOminous]

So other than eels and octopi, what other fish Led Zeppelin suggested?

Mudsharks.

 

[heyitsmike]

It’s this. Catholics used to be forbidden from eating meat on any Friday and during fasting (which does not mean starving yourself btw). This became a bit of a problem and so they rules lawyered it to say fish wasn't meat. Nobility and priests later rules lawyered it more to make anything that spent a lot of time in the water was a fish.

It's not even rules lawyering, it's merely changing the rules.

Eating meat on Fridays is malum prohibitum, i.e. it's bad because it's prohibited by the Church, as opposed to things which are malum in se, which are bad in themselves, like murder.

If you go 60 mph on a road with a 55 mph speed limit, you're wrong. Not because it's morally wrong but because you're not allowed to. There's nothing morally wrong with going 60 mph, the speed limit is 60 mph in a lot of places. And if they changed the speed limit to 60 mph in that very same spot you were at, it would no longer be wrong.

Same with eating particular animals on Friday, the Church changed it so it's no longer wrong.

 

[A Grey Cat]

bcuz we're mammals and not fish, and "empathetic" vegans/vegetarians may feel more affinity for our closer relatives in birds and mammals than in fish.

Technically our closest relatives evolutionary wise are chimpanzees and out side brush meat markets in Kenya not many people eat chimps.