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On the menu today: The possibility of another wave of Americans moving out of the big cities, the likelihood of some future pandemic further down the road, and how the Red America–Blue America divide is likely to be altered when we emerge from this crisis.

The Coming De-Urbanization of America

Yesterday on my work Facebook page, a reader asked, “Why is it that the places Covid-19 show up the most are in Democrat controlled areas?” As much as I’d like to believe that all the troubles in the world can eventually be traced back to Bill de Blasio, I responded, “Probably because ‘the places it shows up the most’ are large densely-packed cities with a lot of international and domestic air travel and high use of mass transit, where Democrats have been winning elections more than Republicans for at least a generation and in many cases several generations.”

You can split red and blue America in a lot of ways — race, age, religiosity — but arguably the strongest factor is geography. The “Big Sort” that Bill Bishop described has been at work for two decades. Sure, there are conservatives and Republicans who live in big cities and inner-ring suburbs, just rarely in the numbers that could make a difference. And there are progressives and Democrats who live in rural areas and exurbs, but again, rarely in the numbers that could make a difference in elections.

Kevin Williamson has noted that conservatives often don’t even try to persuade city-dwellers of the value of their ideas, and lapse into a casual to overt contempt of life in the big city.

Meanwhile, it is not hard to find examples of urban progressives looking at rural America with a combination of contempt, disdain, pity, smug superiority . . . heck, it’s not hard to find urban progressives who see suburbanites as somehow inferior and worthy of scorn, never mind residents of small-town America.

At some point the coronavirus crisis will end, but one of the extraordinarily difficult lessons of this ordeal is that the catastrophic scenarios that sound like something out of science fiction can happen in real life, and that the vast majority of us are at the mercy of fate in these scenarios. As mentioned last week, whichever way SARS-CoV-2 jumped into humans — a lab accident, wet markets, exotic-animal trader, a farmer using bat guano for fertilizer — it can happen again with another virus. Right now, as you are reading this, all around the world, scientists are working on dangerous viruses and pathogens in biosafety-level four, three, and two labs. Almost all wet markets are still open in China; all around Asia, the often-illegal trade in exotic species continues with minimal impediments; and farmers all around the world continue to use guano as fertilizer, prompting human beings to go into caves, and risk exposure to viruses that no human being has ever encountered before. Those viruses will probably be less deadly and contagious than SARS-CoV-2. But someday, humanity could encounter one that is even worse.

We will get through this crisis in a year or two. But we have no guarantee that additional pandemics aren’t waiting for us further along in this decade, or the next one, or the one after that. Maybe we’ll be lucky and the fudging-the-numbers-slightly meme declaring that we face a terrible plague once a century, in years ending in ’20, will turn out to be right.

We in the United States never suffered another terror attack on the scale of 9/11, but that didn’t mean that the threat of terrorism did not shape our thinking for at least a decade afterwards, and probably even to today. We will be thinking about the risk of global pandemics and how to mitigate them for a long time to come. And that will start to influence Americans’ decisions about where they want to live.

Today in the Wall Street Journal, Anne Kadet writes about the New York City residents who are moving out, and not coming back:

They’re hardly the only family spurred by the pandemic to make a fast move, said Alison Bernstein, founder and president of Suburban Jungle, a company that specializes in matching city clients with their ideal suburban town, and helped the Usherenkos find their new home. “This whole thing is catastrophic and petrifying for families in urban areas,” she said. “People want out of the city and now.”

Ms. Bernstein said demand for her firm’s services is up 40% from the same period last year. Some are prompted by safety concerns. Others worry the shelter-in-place edict will drag on, confining them to small city apartments.

Carlo Siracusa, president of Residential Sales for N.J.-based Weichert Realtors said while inventory is low due to sellers pulling homes off the market, demand remains high because of a new wave of city dwellers shopping in the suburbs.

“They’ve been confined to a small space the last 45 days and want out,” he said. “There’s a sense of urgency.”

Are cities still worth it? Many will conclude they are. The opportunities are unparalleled, lots of jobs are there, the arts scenes are thriving, the professional sports teams are there. Nearby international airports allow you to get anywhere in the world fairly easily. Cities have more people closer together than towns and suburbs, so they just have more things going on — fascinating museums, festivals, marathons, concerts, pedestrian-only streets lined with quirky shops, distinct ethnic neighborhoods, small businesses, unique non-chain restaurants, skyscrapers and observation decks, broad boulevards, huge libraries, inviting public squares. Even the train stations can be beautiful. People who appreciate all the joys of a city — and who can still afford the cost of living — won’t easily give up all of that. Our cities will not empty out.

But they may shrink, and this outbreak is likely to accelerate the trend of seeing urban life as a luxury for the wealthy and young and a necessity for the poor and old.

Whatever you want to call the trend in urban planning over the past two or three decades — I’d characterize it as Richard-Florida-ization — it has reoriented American big cities’ offerings, enhancing their appeal to certain groups of people, often at the cost of other groups of people. Florida now gets mocked as “the Patron Saint of Avocado Toast,” but I think the demographic numbers don’t lie. Cities are terrific and exciting places for young people, particularly college students and recent college graduates, and double-income, no-kids couples — and probably retirees as well. But once a couple has a child, urban life becomes a lot more difficult and less appealing. A small apartment can become unbearable with a new baby. The public schools are hit-and-miss at best. Bigger kids want a yard to play in, or maybe a swing set. The cost of living starts to be prohibitive.

And now we are learning, once again, that densely packed cities are particularly dangerous places to be during a disease outbreak.

If you’re living in New York City right now, the good news is that you’re living amongst some of the best doctors and medical personnel in the world. But you probably live in an apartment. Leaving that apartment requires using an elevator (use a glove to touch the buttons) or the stairs (don’t touch the railings or doorknobs with your bare hands). Once you get on the street, you can try to keep space between yourself and everyone else, but there are just lots of people around. Advocates for public transportation insist the connection between the subway system and the virus is ‘tenuous,” but . . . how many other places are you forced into relatively close contact with lots of strangers with circulated air for a significant stretch of time? How many people use those stairway railings each day? How many people touch the turnstiles and subway poles?

Life in a small town or the suburbs is no guarantee of protection from the coronavirus. Tiny Cynthiana, Ky., population around 6,300, had a cluster of cases, fourteen in the town and surrounding county. My stretch of suburbia, Fairfax County, has 2,306 cases. But we’ve got 1.1 million people spread out over 406 square miles — roughly the size of Los Angeles. At least we can walk around our neighborhoods and the trails in the woods with minimal fear of exposure. (This does not assure our local “Karen,” who is very upset that my wife and I walk side-by-side instead of single-file.)

The world has been forced to embrace telework and experiment with working from home like never before. The need for white-collar workers to all be in one central location — and paying some considerable rent for that office space — is shrinking before our eyes.

When authorities require or recommend you stay inside your home, your home becomes exponentially more important — not just a place to sleep and store your stuff. Kitchens matter when you’re cooking almost every meal at home. A yard, patio, deck, porch, or gazebo gives you the ability to enjoy fresh air within your own space.

Who knows if the coming year or two will have on-and-off social distancing and stay-at-home orders? All of those glorious amenities of the city aren’t that appealing if they’re closed.

Some reacted to the previous trend of the urbanization of America with satisfaction. After “White Flight” and “Brain Drain” and so many bad trends in American cities in the 1970s and 1980s, many urban areas were finally enjoying a renaissance. A handful became “innovation hubs for the knowledge economy” — New York City, Seattle, Austin, Boston, Silicon Valley — enjoying an explosion of jobs — with a much slower increase in the amount of available housing. Rents and the cost of real estate skyrocketed, creating glittering cities with much of the rest of America on the outside looking in.

And now some people in the cities may not want to live in them anymore. “Blue America” might be moving to the suburbs or right into “Red America” — and maybe we would be better off if we saw each other as neighbors, instead of rivals in a never-ending culture war.

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The author of this deserves a huge gay rainbow for that saccharine "maybe this will end the culture war" line, but I for one find it very humorous that the bourgeoisie prison that Blue America has built for itself is suddenly seeming a little cramped. In a better and more rational world, this crisis would result in America's reindustrialization and a push towards experimental vertical farming in our urban centers, but we live in clown world and that means YOU GET WHAT YOU FUCKING DESERVE. And I mean that for both sides of the aisle. 🤡
 
Please stop fantasyposting about the devolution of cities. A random 4channer put it best when he said “I can only get so erect”.
 
what will happen: white leftists urbanites will flood into rural america and turn red states blue, and the holes they leave behind in the cities will be filled by more third world immigrants who will turn them into even bigger shitholes than they already are

bleak future ahead
 
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I'd add a soybeard and glasses but I'm too lazy
 
Most of America isn’t truly “urbanized” anyway. Only a few of the cities even have a viable public transit system and actual sidewalks. Most of the country isn’t even walkable or bikeable, especially below the Mason-Dixon. Even LA is a car-dependent hellhole that is more like a gigantic suburb. Outside of Chicago and NYC (and maybe DC if you actually live and work in DC proper) you cannot get around without a car without major hassle.
 
what will happen: white leftists urbanites will flood into rural america and turn red states blue, and the holes they leave behind in the cities will be filled by more third world immigrants who will turn them into even bigger shitholes than they already are

bleak future ahead

This, but replace "third world immigrants" with "niggers." This article pontificates without considering Chicago or Detroit, cities where 'de-urbanization' has already happened. There may not be enough blacks in the country to replicate those two cities over and over, but the exact race doesn't matter; the end result will still be niggers.
 
Listen I'm a reasonable man, I'm not saying if they try to move to urban locations we should kill them I'm just saying we give the a marker and remove their right to vote if they try to leave the hellscapes they created.
 
"Haha guys wouldn't it be based if we just shot anyone who looks like they might be from a city haha, I mean I'm obviously just making a joke so I can't be criticized but wouldn't it be so funny if we just poisoned the wells of major metropolitan centers and pissed on the dying bodies in the streets? I'm being ironic saying all of this of course, but also I actually believe this."
There, now everyone else can stop replying to this thread to circlejerk about how Urbanites Bad.
 
"Haha guys wouldn't it be based if we just shot anyone who looks like they might be from a city haha, I mean I'm obviously just making a joke so I can't be criticized but wouldn't it be so funny if we just poisoned the wells of major metropolitan centers and pissed on the dying bodies in the streets? I'm being ironic saying all of this of course, but also I actually believe this."
There, now everyone else can stop replying to this thread to circlejerk about how Urbanites Bad.

Found the city boy
 
LOL all the "benefits" they list of living in a city are so trivial, tacky, and nonsensical that you almost have to believe they're being paid to write this by metropolitan chamber of commerce goons. Wow it has an AIRPORT! God forbid you should have to drive 2 hours to leave the country... what, once a year? It has a SPORTS TEAMS! Sports, those things 99% of people watch on TV 99% of the time. The rest is basically nonsense, wishful thinking about stuff that either doesn't exist (inviting ethnic neighborhoods?) or if it does no one actually cares about it, or better yet they can't enjoy it because it's in the middle of an urban hellscape (parks and public squares).

I think bugs should stay in their hives and the rest of us should live wherever we want. I can't get excited about a diaspora of strivers, cunts, striver cunts, heebs, and the heeb adjacent coming to still liveable areas to fuck everything up. On paper, de-urbanization would be great. In practice... who am I kidding, it's not going to happen anyway (thank god).
 
As a city guy I could do without a bunch of small town liberals who think they're too big for their britches and the losers that nobody liked back home fagging the place up.
 
what will happen: white leftists urbanites will flood into rural america and turn red states blue, and the holes they leave behind in the cities will be filled by more third world immigrants who will turn them into even bigger shitholes than they already are

bleak future ahead
There aren't enough of them.

You should to remember that major "blue" states like New York and California have enormous numbers of Republican voters that get swamped out by the congestion in the cities. Most of these states vote Red, but the sheer population in the cities is enough to dilute their votes The total population of California is ~39.5 million and in New York it's ~8.9 million. Even if you were unreasonably generous enough to assume that every single one of those people voted blue, you're talking about ~40 million people dispersing randomly across the U.S. They're not all going to move to the same spot.

When they vacate, their votes go with them. They become the minority vote in whatever community they move into and wind up being swamped out by the bulk of the voting Republicans. Even if they all congested in a small handful of places, they only flip things enough to convert all of those places while the states they fled from would invariably flip Red from the exodus. I don't factor in "mass illegal voting" because I find it difficult to believe that they could manage to cover up a suddenly influx of millions of unregistered voters.

Electoral maps would be completely redrawn if the population were to shift violently, too. If half of California's population bailed out, they wouldn't get to keep all their electoral votes and California would all but assuredly stop flipping blue every election, anyways. Since there isn't some sort of very specific design, there just aren't enough people crammed in all of these major cities to suddenly flip the entire country Democrat if they all started to bail out. As they filter their way out of the cities and distribute themselves randomly around the country, they'll become more and more diluted.

How do I know that they'll distribute randomly? There aren't any other population centers that can even handle that many people all at once. No other population centers in the country have hundreds of thousands of houses and skyscraper apartment rentals just sitting around waiting to be filled. There isn't enough housing and there aren't enough jobs for these people to be able to dog-pile into Cousin Fucker, USA, so they'll have to disperse themselves around the country if they want to make the exodus.

A "mass flight" out of the cities would actually turn the votes in favour of the Republicans, not the Democrats. The Democrats only survive as a party because of their "stronghold cities." If they lost those, the entire party would collapse for several voting cycles and have to undergo significant restructuring to be viable at anything above a local election.
 
California would all but assuredly stop flipping blue every election,
No, California would still continue to vote Democrat 100% of the time - you underestimate how much of a glut of blue voters California has. Most other states tend to rarely be above 55/45 splits when it comes to the two parties, but California is almost 70/30. Reminder that Hillary Clinton, an absolutely despised candidate, still won the popular vote by a couple million votes, and she only didn't win the election because they had a massive excess of voters in the urbanized states (Particularly California), and not enough voters in the more rural states. If the rats abandon the sinking ships that are NY and CA and swarm the lower populated rural states, prepare for the Democrats to win almost every election.
 
No, California would still continue to vote Democrat 100% of the time - you underestimate how much of a glut of blue voters California has. Most other states tend to rarely be above 55/45 splits when it comes to the two parties, but California is almost 70/30. Reminder that Hillary Clinton, an absolutely despised candidate, still won the popular vote by a couple million votes, and she only didn't win the election because they had a massive excess of voters in the urbanized states (Particularly California), and not enough voters in the more rural states. If the rats abandon the sinking ships that are NY and CA and swarm the lower populated rural states, prepare for the Democrats to win almost every election.

The point he was making was they can't abandon the cities for anything BUT suburbs adjacent, like how Virginia turned blue because the DC crowd invaded Fairfax, Sterling, etc. But, they can't do that in most other states because there isn't that "suburb belt" that can take them on. They will NOT flee to main street USA , half because they despise it, yes, even more than dying. But also, because there isn't anywhere to put them. They'd have to build new suburbs, new incorporated townships, and move into those, and they don't want to do that. It would take time to create all that, they want to be safe forever TODAY!

It's also more than just the houses. They'd also have to build the infrastructure of coffee shops and Karen-wants-to-see-the-manager establishments that are safe and comfy for them. They will NOT stoop to using the general store and corner gas station as hubs of the community like Red America does. They want to see soccer fields and organic yoga studios out their windows, not grasslot baseball diamonds and salvage yards. They want only authorized service garages for their Lexus, not Joe's Towing & Autocare. They want charter schools with non-binary restrooms, mandatory curbside recycling (instead of having to take it to the center yourself if you opt in) and want any neighbors with dandelions on the lawn fined per HOA rules. What? There's no HOA? We'll fix that too!.... They want the dairy farm fined for smelling bad, they want tractors banned from the roads for slowing down traffic, they want those unsightly high-tension power lines moved for ruining the view, the quarry needs shut down because it makes too much dust, you need to stop the raccoons from getting into my garbage and the deer from eating my flowers, and the guy with the tri-axle in his driveway needs to park it elsewhere, I don't care if he's an owner-operator, dump trucks don't belong next door to me, and they want the trains to stop running at 2am when they're trying to sleep..... and no blowing the horn for the crossing.... they want a lot more than just the house.

90% of the nation can't give them that.

So their only option, viable option, is to flee to the suburb rings AROUND the cities and call it "the country" where they think they're safe, unaware the REAL country is that part on their mental maps that's marked with dragons wearing MAGA hats that they know nothing about except to never go there.

So, if anything, the urban centers are going to see a lot more decay, a lot more needles and shit, a lot more homeless cases and forever welfare classes IF the blues vacate, but the demos probably aren't going to change.

That's why I was laughing at them thinking your'e in the country if you have a lawn....... call me when you have a FIELD around your house.
 
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