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The Rich Fled New York. Don’t Be Like Them.

You live in a cramped apartment and you’re scared. But escape is selfish.
March 27, 2020
Nathan Thornburgh
Host of The Trip podcast


The Rosedale neighborhood in Queens, New York.

Ashley Gilbertson / VII / Redux

Hello fellow New Yorkers. You want to leave. So badly. I know. Me too. But don’t. Don’t do it.
It is absurd at this point that it’s even your choice. The bridges should be closed to all but essential traffic. The airports should be shuttered. Instead, Hertz is still renting cars at its 17 Manhattan locations, AirBnB is listing “Corona free” homes in New Jersey, and airlines are offering (apocalyptically cheap) tickets from all three New York airports to Anywhere But Here.

I know all that because I spent one morning this week Googling a dozen possible escapes, in a moment of claustrophobia and panic. I share 900 square feet with two kids and a dog. My wife is a physician who is still seeing patients. And even though I trust her precautions and protocols, I can’t shake the feeling of dread. Mixed in with the uncertainty is the certainty that everything is going to get much, much worse, as the cases spike and people I love or know or admire begin to die. My impulse is to do something—to move, to flee. I’m sure virtually everyone else in the city feels the same way.
The rational truth, though, is that I probably won’t contract COVID-19 while locked in my apartment, though I may well have it already, a holdover from those faraway early-March days when this city was a big pool of the virus and we all were just doing laps together. And if I leave, I’ll bring my germs with me.

There are already pockets of disease on Long Island, and fever spikes in the Catskills, and empty stores in Jersey shore towns that have long put up with our summering bullshit. To paraphrase the New York Post, Nantucket thinks NYC can suck it.
And though I am dreaming, hallucinating almost, of what it would be like to have a yard for the dog and the kids while we wait out the pandemic, rural communities just aren’t built for anybody’s dream quarantine. Proactive governments recognized this early on. A friend of mine in Norway, the restaurateur Nud Dudhia, had been staying with his family in their super-hygge mountain cabin. But in mid-March Norway’s government ordered everyone back to their primary residence, so that any potential health-care burden would land where the population actually lived.
In the U.S., unbelievably, whether to leave is still up to you, as is where to go. If you fled for the hills the moment you read about Dr. Li Wenliang’s death in February, then kudos. I’m jealous of your paranoia, and perhaps you didn’t endanger anyone. But if you left this week, or are planning on leaving, you are nakedly prioritizing your comfort and peace of mind over the physical health of others. Don’t start in on Donald Trump, Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, or any of those faraway self-dealers unless you start by doing what you can do to be part of the solution. Stay home.

I borrowed some of this moral clarity from an aunt in Madrid. She had watched with horror and fascination as politicians in Italy (about as far ahead of Spain along the coronavirus curve as Spain is of the United States) leaked news about a planned quarantine so that, instead of being contained, the virus scattered around the country on the wings of hundreds of thousands of individual decisions. That was on my aunt’s mind as the cordon started closing in on her city. She and her partner thought about fleeing to the village of Adahuesca, but, as she put it, “there was a chance that we’d just kill all the old people there.” They stayed put.
The restrictions in Madrid make New York’s stay-at-home guidelines look like an invitation to bacchanalia (seriously, why are our playgrounds still open?). In Madrid today, you can’t walk a dog with more than one person. Police have the discretion under Penal Code 556 of fining you if you are smoking or otherwise loitering on the street. Spaniards are lovely people and frequently also insolent scofflaws, so some started taking a couple of cans and a carrot or two from their own pantry and walking them around the city, to pretend they had been out shopping. Now police demand that you show a grocery-store receipt.

If you are nervous about staying in New York, and shopping solo, and surviving, this video that everyone is sharing from the Weill Cornell ICU doc David Price should reassure you that you can do this. Wash your hands. Don’t touch your face. Smile at your neighbors.

This pandemic involves a class element, of course. This is, among other things, a Prince Charles disease, a Tom Hanks disease, splashed around the planet by the kind of world traveler I’ve become myself. In the past year I’ve been to Iraq, Kenya, Beirut, Cuba, Japan, Mexico, and beyond, for a podcast. I flew to Chiang Mai for a wedding, to Sweden for the last night of a famous restaurant. And leaving aside for the moment what I’ve done to the ozone layer, it’s safe to say that I’m exactly the kind of asshole who brought you rapidly circulating global disease. COVID-19 became a wildfire thanks to a super-spreader soiree in Connecticut and the Biogen breakout in Boston and the Mar-a-Lago miasma and that gentleman who flew from New York to Florida while awaiting his COVID-19 test results.

I imagine that few of the people who stock the bodegas and clean the subways here in New York are surprised by the exodus. Privileged New Yorkers, the kind who moved here with college degrees and an Exciting New Career Opportunity, have long held themselves aloof from the city. They are ready for the rewards—a beautiful skyline, a killer shawarma—but are often trying to skip the bill. They can’t even stomach August in New York. I get that they don’t want to stay in the embattled epicenter of a global contagion.
And by they, of course, I mean me. Except not this time. The coronavirus is running a massive social experiment on us all. The question: Can each of us put aside our dreadful specialness long enough to slow this thing? Can we grit our teeth through the eerie nights to come? Do we trust our neighbors, the dudes on the corner, the first responders, the men living in the single-room occupancy down the block, to have our back—and can they trust us to have theirs? The answer has to be yes.

We are New Yorkers. We rushed the pile after 9/11, rebuilt after Sandy, walked home during the blackout, made out in Times Square on V-J Day. We’re minting a lot of heroes at Elmhurst Hospital and Mount Sinai West this week, health-care workers who have answered the call with bravery and compassion and sacrifice. The story of New York in this pandemic should belong to them, not to the summer-home super-spreaders.
So it’s settled then. We’re going to get through this, right here, in our tiny freaking apartments. Sending love to you all.

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Nathan Thornburgh is a co-founder of Roads & Kingdoms and host of The Trip podcast, which he started with the late Anthony Bourdain.
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Hello fellow New Yorkers.

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I spent one morning this week Googling a dozen possible escapes, in a moment of claustrophobia and panic. I share 900 square feet with two kids and a dog. My wife is a physician who is still seeing patients. And even though I trust her precautions and protocols, I can’t shake the feeling of dread. Mixed in with the uncertainty is the certainty that everything is going to get much, much worse, as the cases spike and people I love or know or admire begin to die. My impulse is to do something—to move, to flee. I’m sure virtually everyone else in the city feels the same way.
The rational truth, though, is that I probably won’t contract COVID-19 while locked in my apartment, though I may well have it already, a holdover from those faraway early-March days when this city was a big pool of the virus and we all were just doing laps together. And if I leave, I’ll bring my germs with me.

So if I'm reading this correctly, just because YOU couldn't find an escape, that means everyone else should stay and suffer with you so that you won't feel left out? That's really fucking pathetic. Also the fact that you just said you would bring your germs to other places makes you an even bigger asshole because it implies you would spread your "germs" to other places that aren't as infected just so you could find a "safer" place to live. You're no better than the people walking around freely on the streets in other countries when they should be quarantined because they have the virus, and for that I hope you get lynched.

There are already pockets of disease on Long Island, and fever spikes in the Catskills, and empty stores in Jersey shore towns that have long put up with our summering bullshit. To paraphrase the New York Post, Nantucket thinks NYC can suck it.

As someone that lives on Long Island, I share Nantucket's thoughts on NYC. You people are the reason New York in general is a festering shit-hole.

And though I am dreaming, hallucinating almost, of what it would be like to have a yard for the dog and the kids while we wait out the pandemic, rural communities just aren’t built for anybody’s dream quarantine.

I would say "citation needed" but I know this fucker is talking out of his ass. Nevermind the fact that he contradicted himself earlier by saying "there are pockets of disease on long island" (I get it, long island is not as rural as say upstate ny, but its also not a clusterfuck like NYC), but bro... have you LOOKED at a fucking map of the USA CoronaVirus outbreak?! It's all the major cities that are hit the most hard with this shit.

Proactive governments recognized this early on. A friend of mine in Norway, the restaurateur Nud Dudhia, had been staying with his family in their super-hygge mountain cabin. But in mid-March Norway’s government ordered everyone back to their primary residence, so that any potential health-care burden would land where the population actually lived.

Or, maybe... just maybe... just in case anyone is actually infected, the ambulance can have a better and quicker time getting to people to get them treated and quarantined? Can't exactly do that if you live in a log cabin in bumble-fuck.

If you are nervous about staying in New York, and shopping solo

"then fucking kill yourself" should be the end of that sentence. Seriously, in an online world where people do their "cyber monday" shopping with no problems, why didn't this immediately click in your brains as an easy problem solver?

In the past year I’ve been to Iraq, Kenya, Beirut, Cuba, Japan, Mexico, and beyond, for a podcast. I flew to Chiang Mai for a wedding, to Sweden for the last night of a famous restaurant. And leaving aside for the moment what I’ve done to the ozone layer, it’s safe to say that I’m exactly the kind of asshole who brought you rapidly circulating global disease. COVID-19 became a wildfire thanks to a super-spreader soiree in Connecticut and the Biogen breakout in Boston and the Mar-a-Lago miasma and that gentleman who flew from New York to Florida while awaiting his COVID-19 test results.

At least he admits he's an asshole. First step to recovery is admitting you have a problem. The next steps to take is stay inside and not write stupid fucking articles like this one.

Privileged New Yorkers, the kind who moved here with college degrees and an Exciting New Career Opportunity, have long held themselves aloof from the city. They are ready for the rewards—a beautiful skyline, a killer shawarma—but are often trying to skip the bill. They can’t even stomach August in New York. I get that they don’t want to stay in the embattled epicenter of a global contagion.

>Privileged New Yorkers
>Can't even stomach August

WTF did I just read??? Do buildings in NYC not have central air?! Is it a law that all citizens of NYC MUST stay outside in the summer months?

Can each of us put aside our dreadful specialness long enough to slow this thing? Can we grit our teeth through the eerie nights to come? Do we trust our neighbors, the dudes on the corner, the first responders, the men living in the single-room occupancy down the block, to have our back—and can they trust us to have theirs? The answer has to be yes.

Here's a better question, wtf makes you think you, or anyone else with your mindset, are "special"? Special Ed, sure. And if you seriously can't trust anyone, all the more reason to stay inside and become a hermit.

We are New Yorkers. We rushed the pile after 9/11, rebuilt after Sandy, walked home during the blackout, made out in Times Square on V-J Day.

See picture response above. It bears repeating.
 
Run, Run From New York Spread it and create disunity among Blue State. East Coast Will burn, As The Chinese succesfully kill hundred of thousands on American Soil.
Perhaps there will be Videogame about this insanely succesfull invasion of United States by Chinese.

And perhaps it will be called World in Conflict 2.
*laughs in Liberty Prime*
 
The highest number of sick are in Queens, with 9,228. Brooklyn is next, with 7,789, followed by the Bronx, with 5,352, and Manhattan, with 5,036. Staten Island has 1,718 cases
Jesus, those numbers aren't good. A country like Belgium only has like 10.000 total cases while having 3 million more people. NYC is fast reaching Italy/Spain levels of per capita infection, with a huge potentional for it to get even worse.
 
The picture they used to illustrate the article, of Rosedale, Queens, really doesn't look that bad. It looks a lot like the residential areas of Dorval, Quebec which I imagine would be quite directly comparable to Rosedale as Dorval is the home of Montreal's main international airport, and where you can probably rent or own a slightly bigger house than you could otherwise afford in most other areas of the city due to the noise from low-flying airliners.

I could imagine staying put in Rosedale, Queens if I lived there as it looks to be typical suburban density. However, if I lived in Manhattan or the denser part of Brooklyn or the Bronx (or anywhere in New Jersey just west of Manhattan), and I had the financial means to escape the city during the duration of the outbreak, I would.
 
Jesus, those numbers aren't good. A country like Belgium only has like 10.000 total cases while having 3 million more people. NYC is fast reaching Italy/Spain levels of per capita infection, with a huge potentional for it to get even worse.

Antwerp and Amsterdam also are not NYC-levels of packed in,.... and I'm not looking at cases, look at deaths. You are comparing apples and oranges.
 
Antwerp and Amsterdam also are not NYC-levels of packed in,....
I know, that was kinda my entire point. The differing rates of infection in a megacity vs. a relatively suburbanized country should be obvious enough, but the numbers are still fairly shocking to see. Especially considering Corona-chan has been lingering in Europe a month longer than it has in NY.

and I'm not looking at cases, look at deaths.
Death rates aren't that informative on their own as they're influenced by a whole host of factors, age demographics being chief among them. An aging European country is going to have a higher death rate than a disproportionally young NYC, simply because there are a lot more pensioners kicking around.

What rather surprised me is just how fast New York's cases have skyrocketed in just under a month. I'm guessing part of that is that this is the first example of a megacity being hit hard, with clear numbers to prove it: the Chinks almost certainly muddled their numbers, Euro city stats are generally together with national ones, and other heavily urbanised areas like Worst Korea and Singapore have weathered the storm incredibly well comparatively.
 
All I got from skimming some of this is that this guy is married to a doctor but is too busy writing navel gazing articles to be concerned about her, considering she is on the front line (or will be soon). So, a typical elite NYCer.
 
There's a historical precedent for this behavior in London's 'Great Stink'. The Thames would get so polluted that a poisonous cloud would settle over the city and law & order would break down. The rich would then flee to their country estates.

See: India.
 
The picture they used to illustrate the article, of Rosedale, Queens, really doesn't look that bad. It looks a lot like the residential areas of Dorval, Quebec which I imagine would be quite directly comparable to Rosedale as Dorval is the home of Montreal's main international airport, and where you can probably rent or own a slightly bigger house than you could otherwise afford in most other areas of the city due to the noise from low-flying airliners.

Dude, Rosedale is one of the biggest shitholes on the planet and it's juuusssttt inside the queens/long island border. In fact, it's so close to the long island border that I used to speed through Rosedale like a maniac when I saw a cop and I'd still be able to outrun him and he couldn't chase me over into Long Island. They used to park like a block inside the border trying to catch speeders coming into Rosedale from Long Island but they wouldn't bother chasing speeders heading out.

Rosedale is probably 100% black. Back in the 90s, the KFC already had bulletproof glass and in fact if you go through the drive through, they use a vacuum system like a bank drive through to give you the food from a distance and the thing is opposite the KFC so you're not looking in their direction so you can't rob them. The last place I wanna be stuck is fucking Rosedale. That whole area from Rosedale heading west though the real shitholes like St. Albans and Guy R. Brewer Blvd - that's where all the 80s rap acts came from. LL Cool J, Fat Boys, Salt n pepa, Eric B, etc.

Anyway, I could barely get through that blog post. The author most certainly isn't a New Yorker, not at least by birth. I can tell by how they listed 9/11 as the first thing he survived. It's clear he has no history of NY before 9/11. Also I'm in Queens at the moment and have been for the past few weeks. I'm in isolation, I'm not outside or anything but it's not the end of the world here. When I look out my window I don't see anything out of the ordinary. It's not like the L.A. riots or anything. I've been getting my groceries delivered with no problem from the local key food for the past two weeks every few days. I've had trouble ordering from things like PeaPod but when I call my local Key Food I'm like, "What bread you have?" And they're like, "We're out of white but we have a lot of rye. You want that?" Like an hour later they drop the bags on my stoop and leave.

I'm still sending stuff out via fedex. The only difference is that when I call for pickup, they ask me to leave it on my stoop. That way the driver doesn't have to interact with me. I fill out the label and leave it outside and he comes and gets it. The biggest issue is that it DOESN'T look like armageddon here so people are being more lax than they should be. I've self isolated since Friday just over two weeks ago but I saw some crazy videos from the other side of Queens in Astoria where Astoria park is jam packed. It's insane - that's the shit they have to reel in.

I predicted that NYC was gonna be the hardest hit and that Queens was gonna be the worst - and I predicted it easily over a month ago, back in Feb. Mostly because we're the location of JFK which means every diseased motherfucker from every 1st - 6th world shithole passes through Queens. I didn't run then, I'm not running now. I'm doing fine and sending out for groceries and I'll just wait this shit out.
 
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Dude, Rosedale is one of the biggest shitholes on the planet and it's juuusssttt inside the queens/long island border. In fact, it's so close to the long island border that I used to speed through Rosedale like a maniac when I saw a cop and I'd still be able to outrun him and he couldn't chase me over into Long Island. They used to park like a block inside the border trying to catch speeders coming into Rosedale from Long Island but they wouldn't bother chasing speeders heading out.

Rosedale is probably 100% black. Back in the 90s, the KFC already had bulletproof glass and in fact if you go through the drive through, they use a vacuum system like a bank drive through to give you the food from a distance and the thing is opposite the KFC so you're not looking in their direction so you can't rob them. The last place I wanna be stuck is fucking Rosedale.

All the research I did on Rosedale was looking at the street in the picture (which I thought looked very similar to Carson Avenue in Dorval, Quebec, both in terms of the types and density of buildings found around it and how planes fly only around 100 to 200 metres or so overhead due to it being within a mile or so of the end of two runways) and then finding out where it is on Google Maps to confirm that it is also near a major airport.

I don't know much else about Rosedale but I'd imagine that the demographics and crime stats would differ between Rosedale and Dorval although I'd be more concerned about the crime stats than the demographics. Even when I was growing up in the 1980s and 1990s, my own suburban neighbourhood (a little further out from downtown Montreal than Dorval is) had some black people and I didn't have any issues with them. The father of the black family closest to me on my street was great, he was a engineer on the same commuter train line that my own father took to and from work.
 
The father of the black family closest to me on my street was great
I'm not an NYCer but growing up in the greater Los Angeles area taught me that a black family is only as strong as their father is present.

I knew two black kids growing up, one had a father, one didn't. The young man with a father grew up to become a well adjusted Marine. The racial epithet that didn't have a father went to juvie and fucked his life before the 10th grade. I suspect that Rosedale produces more of the latter than the former.
 
WTF did I just read??? Do buildings in NYC not have central air?! Is it a law that all citizens of NYC MUST stay outside in the summer months?

Actually New York is a lot of very old buildings. Many if not most do not have Central Air. At best they have a Window Unit in the Bedroom. This is compounded by New York being too Cold in WInter for Heat Pumps, so the Central Air would need to be a separate system from the oil or gas heating system.
 
Actually New York is a lot of very old buildings. Many if not most do not have Central Air. At best they have a Window Unit in the Bedroom. This is compounded by New York being too Cold in WInter for Heat Pumps, so the Central Air would need to be a separate system from the oil or gas heating system.
Minor aside, but geothermal heat pumps rely on the geothermal gradient (which is a stable 55°F at near-surface depths) to heat/cool a room. However bitter cold or sweltering hot it is outside doesn't matter 6 feet down where the temperature is stable. New York doesn't have permafrost, so geothermal heat pumps will work come winter - they work in much colder Vermont.
The main issue with this H/AC solution in NYC is how close the bedrock is to the surface. The distinctive shape of the NYC skyline is caused in large part due to how close the Manhatten Schist is to the surface in a given location; tall buildings benefit greatly from foundations sunk into bedrock. A consequence of this is that digging the required conduits to do heat exchange for the heat pump is extremely difficult if not impossible in NYC on a geologic level - let alone an infrastructure and policy level.
Old buildings without forced air in mind would also hinder implementation, but if the heat exchanger can't be installed then it's a moot point.

You are right about traditional heat pumps, they fail around 40°F - which NYC gets to regularly. Most old buildings in the Northeast and New England New York isn't New England, stay in your shitfuck city and stop crowding the highways in autumn. Leaf peeper tourist scum. are pretty old and lack the creature comforts of newer construction. Central AC is seen as a luxury here whereas central heating is much more common, though it's typically propane, fuel oil, or a boiler (probably powered by fuel oil).
 
Honey, these are the videos you should be watching:
Ya the people in those nycha buildings are fucked. Well, they where already fucked. Now they will be strait fucked.
Roaches, bedbugs, rats, and now the coof.
There are lots of elderly and handicap in there who are basically helpless. But, there but there are also a ton of people who work really hard at being ignorant. The lack of access to internet is a bullshit excuse. The local media there has been on a 24hr loop about the wuflu for a few weeks. If you don't have a smartphone then chances are you at least have a TV or a radio. Hopefully some where smart enough to at least stash away some canned goods and other staples to be able to just lock the door and ride it out for a wile.

Actually New York is a lot of very old buildings. Many if not most do not have Central Air.
Many times there are nycha buildings that don't even have working central heating in the winter. Lots of them date back to the 1930s. I did some work in a few of these complexes after Sandy. The vastness of some of these complexes is hard to describe. One has over 90 buildings in it. The whole nycha system has 2600 buildings in it. Everything is equally run down and dilapidated.
Like I said in the main wuflu thread. The "lockdown" will end the second the weather turns warm. These people are not going to stay cooped up in their prison cell sized hot ass apartments.
 
All I have fucking heard from these bugmen and wyommen for ten years is how the Suburbs are an unsustainable model and the urban deathmazes that they live in are the true harmonious paradises of the New Blue Reality. Stepping over a hobo, and then over a pile of needles packed in human shit, jamming yourself onto public transport, paying $6.99 for a gallon of tard cum, $3.80 for a dozen eggs, oh but then who goes shopping when you can get takeout from the Japanese Indian Ethiopian Etreian fusion place for a mere $30.99 per person - this was the paradise that was shouted at people for the last decade. Some of the more aggressive pieces, clearly written by higher Inner Party types who hadn't had their soma doses for the day to calm down, suggested that the ugh suburbanites be "forced to" move into urban areas or better still, suburban areas (subdivisions, private land, etc.) be made to have multi-story apartment blocks be built on them so they'd be just like the Superior Future inner cities.

Well, now even they're acknowledging what happens when you do that.

So no, little hive insects, don't leave your capsules. Stay inside your enclaves. You are unwanted and unneeded in the green swaths before the rural areas. We've got out own issues to deal with right now. Keep in your cages, locusts.

I can't hit Agree hard enough, basically one of my favorite city-related forums was ruined when the regulars left, whole subforums got abandoned, and all that was left was a bunch of fart-sniffers who champion public transit and increasing density while the city in question deteriorates.

As much as your post is parody, I need to make that Community Watch page on some of the insane shit they've actually said.
 
the AC in the run down LBJ era subway car didn't even work on a burning hot day
Nigga the subway cars didn't even have AC in LBJ's day. I know that and I'm not even from NYC. But everything else you wrote is correct. NYC is going to be a mess when this is over but I'm not staying to find out. That said, like Anita posted above, I'm waiting it out and having mailing picked up by FedEx. My neighbors send food over even when they know I'm cooking and they're also waiting it out. It's not Escape from New York level of nightmares by any stretch of the imagination,
 
Honey, these are the videos you should be watching:
Many people living in those projects are elderly, Black, and poor. Those buildings look like prisons, borderline unhabitable.

I guess this shows how little the NYC government cares about its disadvantaged population. For a city that prides itself on community, engagement, and liberalism, they sure love to put poor people behind and cramped inside mismanaged buildings. Even more depressing is how the downtown buildings are within view, looking down at them.

This is disgusting and heartbreaking. Those people are practically left to die due to this epidemic. Somebody should seriously file a human rights violation against the NYC housing authority and government.

Seriously, how can people willingly live in a place like NYC? All the funding they get, and they can't afford to give their welfare population acceptable housing conditions?
 
Many people living in those projects are elderly, Black, and poor. Those buildings look like prisons, borderline unhabitable.

I guess this shows how little the NYC government cares about its disadvantaged population. For a city that prides itself on community, engagement, and liberalism, they sure love to put poor people behind and cramped inside mismanaged buildings. Even more depressing is how the downtown buildings are within view, looking down at them.

This is disgusting and heartbreaking. Those people are practically left to die due to this epidemic. Somebody should seriously file a human rights violation against the NYC housing authority and government.

Seriously, how can people willingly live in a place like NYC? All the funding they get, and they can't afford to give their welfare population acceptable housing conditions?

You don't honestly believe that anyone in any position of power in government actually cares about the people like they claim to, do you? Why not try asking the current mayor's (ugly) wife who seems to have misplaced $1,800,000,000.

 
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