Shy Hard 2: Shy Harder

[LordAzazel]

Well, Marjan started the thread (because of course he did) and I guess it turns out that he's more typical of Loveshies than we thought.

I have the slight glimmer of hope that the majority of votes in favor of incels being more hated were incel and not loveshy.
It's slight, but you know what they say about hope: it never dies.

Like the hope Marjan is actually just one big troll. Sadly he managed to get interviewed for Der Spiegel, so he's probably the real deal.

 

[Saney]

I have the slight glimmer of hope that the majority of votes in favor of incels being more hated were incel and not loveshy.

What's the difference between the two?

It's slight, but you know what they say about hope: it never dies.

Like the hope Marjan is actually just one big troll. Sadly he managed to get interviewed for Der Spiegel, so he's probably the real deal.

Out of curiosity, are you the Azazel from the LS forums, or is the username just a coincidence?

 

[LordAzazel]

What's the difference between the two?

Loveshy - > Suffers from extreme and most often irrational anxiety when dealing with romantic stuff.

Incel - > Has asked people out but is rejected every time.

Has some overlap in their almost religious beliefs, loveshys are quite prone to thinking women want bad boys for example (Mooo officially identifies as loveshy).

Out of curiosity, are you the Azazel from the LS forums, or is the username just a coincidence?

That's moi! Well, as of today I'm offically a recovering LS forum addict. Changed my password and email to random values so I won't be baited in responding there anymore.

 

[wheat pasta]

Well hey, welcome to the Farms. I hope you enjoy your stay. I'm glad you chose to get away from those dunderheads. There's nowhere to go but up!

 

[Saney]

That's moi! Well, as of today I'm offically a recovering LS forum addict. Changed my password and email to random values so I won't be baited in responding there anymore.

Welcome to the forums. Good to know that you've left, those forums are pretty toxic. Hopefully you'll find it nicer here.

 

[HickoryDickory]

@LordAzazel Good for you! How long have you identified as an Incel or Loveshy, if you don't mind me asking? And what made you finally say enough is enough?

 

[LordAzazel]

@LordAzazel Good for you! How long have you identified as an Incel or Loveshy, if you don't mind me asking? And what made you finally say enough is enough?

I think... two years now? Found the loveshy documentary and joined the loveshy forum. Little did I know that the "loveshy" forum was moar like "Bitter Incel" forum. Then everyone I actually liked stopped posting.

It still feels like a real shame : (

 

[Saney]

I think... two years now? Found the loveshy documentary and joined the loveshy forum. Little did I know that the "loveshy" forum was moar like "Bitter Incel" forum. Then everyone I actually liked stopped posting.

It still feels like a real shame : (

And what made you decide to come here?

 

[24isthehighestnumber]

It's always awesome to see people get away from sickening, hateful places like that. Welcome!
We make fun of weirdos and creeps here, but we're actually a friendly and level headed bunch, with some regrettable exceptions (Connor, homer, hertics on holiday, mapdark, etc).

 

[LordAzazel]

@Saney, I've been a True and Honest fan of Sonichu for a few years now.

Since I needed a new forum to shit my time away, I figured why not share my love and admiration with fellow enthusiasts of the greatest OC ever imagined?

 

[CatParty]

@Saney, I've been a True and Honest fan of Sonichu for a few years now.

Since I needed a new forum to shit my time away, I figured why not share my love and admiration with fellow enthusiasts of the greatest OC ever imagined?

and why not have some fun instead of wallowing with toxic people like the ls forums. welcome!

 

[Saul Goodman]

Amazing thread up on the LS Forum. TL;DR: Love-Shy sets up online dating profile. Gets a woman interested in no-strings sex. Epically cock-blocks himself.

Here is the transcript for those of you who don't want to waste the effort on getting a spy account validated:

Post Subject: "Will she flake? Place your bets here."

Just got invited over to a woman's house tomorrow, who I met on POF.
We're having a movie night at her place, it'll be our first date. It seems rather clear that she wants to fuck me otherwise she wouldn't have invited me over to her house on a first date.

Assuming this date actually happens, I hope I can push past the nerves and get some action.

I love that movie, lol!

if she wants to fuck, sounds hopeful. 30% flake chance.

She texted me this morning asking what movie i wanted to watch and whether she should cook anything for dinner.
I've never had a woman offer to cook for me before, this is a first!

I think this will probably happen. (fingers crossed)

Whelp. She's cooking. You're probably in.

And nope.

She canceled the movie date and wants to meet me in public instead.
So I'll be meeting her for a drink in about 5 hours.

Not the end of the world... maybe one of her friends convinced her she shouldn't meet a guy for the first time at her house... So have drinks and then maybe you can transition back to her place later for a "movie." ...

I canceled the date and told her we'd meet tomorrow.
About an hour ago I jerked off and totally lost interest in going out tonight.

Self-sabotage maybe, I dunno why I did that.

So technically, YOU flaked on her...

Wonder how she would react if you were honest: "Yeah, I jerked off and I kind of lost interest in seeing you right now... maybe some other time" ...

I would've bet maybe $30 that she flaked.

One thing I've learned about meeting people online it that it never turns out the way you expected.

Why did you cancel on the bar date though?

When she flakes on the first date she's probably not worth spending time on, but having something is better than nothing.

Even if that something is a date with a flaky girl.

Well damn. I texted her this afternoon to meet up with her and she said no.
She re-read my online profile and no longer wants to just hook up, she wants something more, lol.

Women are too damn moody, they change their minds too much.

On a positive note another woman messaged me on okcupid, I got her phone #, and I texted her some sexually suggestive stuff and she was cool with it. She wants to hook up with me this weekend, so hopefully that works out.

Can I frame a betting market on this one? I would like to be the loveshy forum's bookmaker.

Odds:
Flake: 1/2
Date that goes nowhere: 5/1
Sex: 350/1

We should have loveshy forum dollars, a little thingy next to our user name profiles to show how many loveshy dollars we are all up or down. Everyone starts with 100 loveshy dollars, once you are bankrupt you cannot replenish your loveshy dollars.

Actually, that's not a bad idea for a forum game. It sounded like a bad idea if you were talking about real money, but virtual currency is a cool idea.

I think this could be implemented easily if the players themselves manually set their currency in their signature or something, but a regulated system based on forum code could be a bit more involved. I could probably set it up if I had access lol.

but BTW good luck on second prospect

Watch out, this sounds like a shit test. If you change your mind to suit what she wants, she might dump you anyway. Probably best to maintain your current stance.

edit: said "diff test" the first time. I've been doing too many diff tests lately

I was texting her late last night and maintained that I didn't want anything serious, that I was only looking for fun & pleasure.
Then she started getting bitchy and texted me, "I don't need you for pleasure, I can get that else where."
I texted her back, "So you already have a few guys on your cock carousel? Why not add one more?"
Her response: "Your an asshole"
My response: "Women like you make me an asshole"

And that was the end of our conversation. I deleted her number.
I hope the 2nd prospect works out better.

If a bitch, sorry woman, disrespects you you should just drop her without further ado.

Don't engage in revenge or passive agressive shit. Mindgames or games in general is the womans domain.

Men are honerable and straight shooters in their dealings with other people.

You barely know her so it doesn't make any sense to expend so much time and mental energy on her.

If you do you'll just show her how weak you are and how much power she can command over a more or less perfect stranger.

Not exactly smooth moves here.

First you cancel the date (first dates should be in public places anyways for both party's sake)

Then you start pulling out stupid terms like "cock carousal" even after she states she doesn't want to just hook up

Then you blame her for making you an asshole.

Did you purposely sabotage yourself here?

^ annoying asshole isn't he?

Sadly enough he's got a point, the whole thing was one giant shit-test and unfortunately yeh you didn't do well. That said, to have salvaged the situation you would have have to have done some pretty low down hoop-jumping and bullshitting so if you don't like that maybe it's for the best.

When she responded back: "I don't need you for pleasure...", in my mind I imagined her saying that in a bitchy tone or something, which is why I responded back the way I did. I guess I should have just deleted the # after that point.

My online profile is pretty blunt about not wanting anything serious, so she shouldn't have been confused. I have "casual sex" and "Short term relationship" selected on my profile. Maybe she was just shit testing me or something, oh well. At least I have another prospect to work with.

You'd flake if you had limitless options.

Well, if I were to ever want to do something with someone I would probably only have my home and a movie to suggest. How would you (any you) react if the person went through with meeting you and you were at their house but you didn't get as far as you ultimately hoped, that is didn't end up having sex, but got to sit close and have signs of hope?

It really isn't a good idea of accusing someone, anyone, of all kinds of imagined nastiness. Especially right off the bat. Who wants to get to know someone that begins by accusing, what else, what worse, will they find if they keep contacting? Those are the only possible thoughts in the other person's head.

Good. You already weren't getting her, so why not fuck with her?

I actually agree with some of Whitewolf's points here...
I think it was careless to cancel the date at the last minute... she did change the location - which I wouldn't like - but that is not the same thing as a last minute cancellation... It makes it appear like you are saying "if we can't START the date at your apartment, I'm not interested." As you have never met in person before, it is reasonable that she wants to meet in public first - how does she know you look like the guy in the picture..? If you meet in a restaurant, you can always transition to her apartment later as things get more intense...

I disagree with Whitewolf's assertion that "first dates" must always be in a public place... It makes sense from a female's perspective, but if she wants to invite you over so she can cook you dinner - go for it.

I think it is a strategic mistake to insist right off the bat that you are only interested in "fun and pleasure." It is almost never 100% true, even among sexually-desirable men, and women are often aware of this fact... Imagine you ran into Robbie Margot or some millionaire swimsuit model at a conference... would you really insist that a relationship was out of the question, and you could only be down for "fun and pleasure" ..? That is hard to imagine... It is more likely that you (and most men) would play it by ear and see how things develop rather than setting firm boundaries... this is the way all of my relationships developed, and I think this is close to the norm. If you start by ruling out the possibility of a relationship, the girl can tell that something is "off" ... It gives the impression that you have given up on connecting with the most desirable partners and you are trawling for scraps... If you are unusually handsome you may still get responses, but I think they will be fewer in number and from less - attractive women... As a matter of strategy, I think it us better to leave the "relationship desired" section vague and open to possibilities, so the girl has something to wonder about and something to hope for...

I think many guys are taking this PUA "act like an asshole" idea too seriously... It is true that some sexually-successful guys act like assholes - but they don't do it all the time... Why would you imply to her that she is a cock-riding slut before you have even met..? You can get away with seeming self-centered, but you don't want to come across as mean-spirited or angry around women, because it reeks of failure and sexual frustration to girls who would otherwise tolerate self-centered behavior.

Even self-centered asshole guys are a bit more diplomatic BEFORE having sex with the girl... After the relationship turns sexual more of the asshole behavior comes out because there is a much higher level of intimacy...

I hope the second prospect works out better..!

Maybe honesty really is the best recipe for DSR success?

Women can smell you from miles away.

Don't think you can trick them if you're not socially suave and skilled.

If she's not interested in an ordinary guy like yourself it's a good thing that she doesn't show any interest. You're not wasting any time on her.

If she only goes for players and assholes, that's not you, so do you really think you can trick her into believing you're a sexually successful player when you're not by a long shot?

 

[Saney]

@Saney, I've been a True and Honest fan of Sonichu for a few years now.

Since I needed a new forum to shit my time away, I figured why not share my love and admiration with fellow enthusiasts of the greatest OC ever imagined?

You should check out the Sonichu section then, we've got some great comics based on Sonichu done by @Trickie and @_blank_
So, I know you don't like Marjan and Fschmidt, and I respect you for that, but what are your thoughts on Fonudman and some of the other Loveshies?

 

[CatParty]

Fonudman and some of the other Loveshies?

yes @LordAzazel what happened when everyone saw @mooooo (fonduman)'s dickpics?

 

[ChuckSlaughter]

For a love-shy to improve, they'd need exposure to situations that convince them that others won't find their sexuality or romantic intentions disgusting.

It's called alcohol

If you drink enough of it you might just actually start saying stuff that's disgusting and offensive... but you won't even give a fuck.
Typical alcohol consumer:

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I actually am a very shy guy normally but alcoholism allows me to become a total chad. I consider it a super power

 

[Randall Fragg]

I was texting her late last night and maintained that I didn't want anything serious, that I was only looking for fun & pleasure.
Then she started getting bitchy and texted me, "I don't need you for pleasure, I can get that else where."
I texted her back, "So you already have a few guys on your cock carousel? Why not add one more?"
Her response: "Your an asshole"
My response: "Women like you make me an asshole"

And that was the end of our conversation. I deleted her number.
I hope the 2nd prospect works out better.

gee wiz, I wonder why none of these nice guys can get laid. It must be that dang old Chad Thundercock stealing all the pretty girls from deserving gentlemen like themselves.

 

[Saney]

gee wiz, I wonder why none of these nice guys can get laid. It must be that dang old Chad Thundercock stealing all the pretty girls from deserving gentlemen like themselves.

Or feminists, or liberals.

 

[LordAzazel]

You should check out the Sonichu section then, we've got some great comics based on Sonichu done by @Trickie and @_blank_
So, I know you don't like Marjan and Fschmidt, and I respect you for that, but what are your thoughts on Fonudman and some of the other Loveshies?

It's bad form to bad mouth old forum members, so I won't
Of course, I can still say positive things about those I like: Onkel Willie was a cool dude who was dealt a shitty hand at birth. That's... about it.

Thanks for the True and Honest comic suggestions!

yes @LordAzazel what happened when everyone saw @mooooo (fonduman)'s dickpics?

...nothing much? I think? For all their faults, forum members were accepting of all dicks, regardless of color, creed or being Marijan.

 

[SpessCaptain]

It's bad form to bad mouth old forum members, so I won't
Of course, I can still say positive things about those I like: Onkel Willie was a cool dude who was dealt a shitty hand at birth. That's... about it.

Thanks for the True and Honest comic suggestions!



...nothing much? I think? For all their faults, forum members were accepting of all dicks, regardless of color, creed or being Marijan.

Oh wow, so this is basically like a circlejerk? I mean honestly why are men are so gay (Especially Loveshies)? Like, I've been in a lot of communities which are solely purposed for women and they don't show their exposed tits to each other. I mean, what the fug, dudes: I thought I had you all figured out.

Anyway - I got a friend right, and she want's to know where the pics are for a uh.. science project (yes, that'll work). She promises to not hysterically laugh on the somewhat homosexuality hintings of such acts.

 

[LordAzazel]

@Valiant, there's nothing gay about admiring another man's dick, as long as you express clearly that your interest is completely platonic.
Some fondling may be initiated if visual inspection proves unsatisfying, as long as the words "no homo" are clearly uttered.

... to be serious for a sec, I think you misunderstand the circumstances. @mooooo posted the dick pics to a different forum, since he was concerned it wasn't as it was supposed to be. A poster here found that thread, and linked it on the loveshy forum, where no one gave a flying fuck. It's not like we went out of our way to share pics of our dicks to another

But if you want a picture of an Incel dick, I've got one right here. Warning: Contents may be considered shocking, and might in extreme cases lead to propositioning your mother for sex:

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