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[Biffo]

Scott Derrickson has dropped out from directing Doctor Strange 2.

‘Doctor Strange 2’ Director Scott Derrickson Drops Out (EXCLUSIVE)

Scott Derrickson is stepping down as director of Marvel’s “Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness,” Variety has learned. The studio confirmed his departure in a statement, at…

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Would be sad if he didn't make the most meh marvel movie, and not like his pre marvel movies were anything to remember anyway. Hope Marvel will get a better filmmaker but lol that won't happen

 

[Gar For Archer]

I find it really hard to care about the MCU post-Endgame at this point. I'll be seeing Black Widow because it's a movie most of the fans have been asking for over the past DECADE, and I hope I'll enjoy it ... But I'd be lying if I said I'm so excited that I'm counting down the days for it. As everyone else has said, it's a "too little, too late" situation with this. I hope I'm pleasantly surprised. But seriously, fuck Marvel Studios for shitting out that terrible Captain Marvel movie before even considering a Black Widow movie.

The only other MCU movies I'm looking forward to are the next Spider-Man (because ... It's Spider-Man-- not so much because it's the MCU), and Guardians of the Galaxy 3. I was looking forward to Thor 4, but that anticipation died a sad death once we found out what the movie was going to be about and who was going to be in it.

I don't really care about the Disney+ shows, because I don't have the damn time to watch 500 shows. The only one I am remotely curious about is the Falcon & Winter Soldier series?

But yeah, Endgame was truly the end for me. It is what it is.

I seriously, seriously do not understand why Captain Marvel got a movie before Endgame instead of Black Widow. It literally makes no sense from a story perspective, or really from a business one.

She barely does anything plot-important in Endgame. The intro where Tony returns to earth could have been easily written where Tony and Nebula use parts of her body to jerry rig the ship. It’s not like Tony’s whole schtick is that he’s a fucking super genius who made an infinite energy generator in a cave!!! With a box of scraps!!
The scene where she flies in and destroys Thanos’ ship could also have easily been replaced with a supercharged Thor, or it could have not happened at all. From a plot standpoint, she was very clearly written in at the last minute (and I believe the directors have stated as much).
As for why she’s not on Earth during these events? She said it herself, there’s other planets out there in the universe that need saving.

Meanwhile, unless there’s a specific reason the Black Widow movie NEEDS to take place after her death (which doesn’t seem to be the case), it makes no sense to have it come after Endgame.

Seriously, why didn’t they just swap these two movies? They still would have gotten their wahmen superhero flick, and I bet it would have drawn a lot less controversy than Captain Marvel.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

I seriously, seriously do not understand why Captain Marvel got a movie before Endgame instead of Black Widow. It literally makes no sense from a story perspective, or really from a business one.

She barely does anything plot-important in Endgame. The intro where Tony returns to earth could have been easily written where Tony and Nebula use parts of her body to jerry rig the ship. It’s not like Tony’s whole schtick is that he’s a fucking super genius who made an infinite energy generator in a cave!!! With a box of scraps!!
The scene where she flies in and destroys Thanos’ ship could also have easily been replaced with a supercharged Thor, or it could have not happened at all. From a plot standpoint, she was very clearly written in at the last minute (and I believe the directors have stated as much).
As for why she’s not on Earth during these events? She said it herself, there’s other planets out there in the universe that need saving.

Meanwhile, unless there’s a specific reason the Black Widow movie NEEDS to take place after her death (which doesn’t seem to be the case), it makes no sense to have it come after Endgame.

Seriously, why didn’t they just swap these two movies? They still would have gotten their wahmen superhero flick, and I bet it would have drawn a lot less controversy than Captain Marvel.

Captain Marvel, as a standalone movie, is ... An OK, mediocre action movie at best. As a movie in the MCU, though? It's an absolute stinker, through and through. It's basically the only MCU movie where it makes more sense in the context of Infinity War and Endgame to NOT watch it. Watching Captain Marvel brings about one huge, unforgivable plothole: Captain Marvel's abilities basically make her Space Jesus. And one of her big enemies in her solo movie was Ronan-- someone who worked very closely with Thanos. How did Captain Marvel not even know about Thanos for all of these years, when he was genocide-ing so many other planets?! And no, "Space is just really big you guys" isn't a good enough explanation. She had been around for 25 years before the Snap; there's no way she didn't know about Thanos. Methinks Captain Marvel sucks at her job.

Even though she was shoehorned into Endgame, though, the movie was thankfully not ruined for me. However, the movie would have been better without her. No question. Tony Stark could have easily found a way to get himself back home; in my opinion, it would have made more sense if that had been the case because of the awesome parallels it would have drawn with the first Iron Man movie. The first MCU movie of the Infinity Saga starts with Tony Stark using his intelligence to get out of captivity, and the final MCU movie of the Infinity Saga starts with a very similar thing. That would have been really cool. But ... Nah! Just have Carol find them.

I swear that the Russo Brothers intended for Doctor Strange to take down Thanos' ship with the body of water he was holding back from entering the battlefield. How cool would it have been if Strange had made a gigantic whirlpool or something to take down the ship?

I also swear that Captain Marvel's one-on-one fight against Thanos was intended for the Hulk as well. I think the Hulk got totally cucked because of the inclusion of Captain Marvel. Infinity War had set up this great potential for a "rematch" fight between the Hulk and Thanos ... And I've grown to be even more disappointed that we didn't see it.

It was funny that Thanos literally punched her out of the movie, though ... Begone, Thot!

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Even though she was shoehorned into Endgame, though, the movie was thankfully not ruined for me. However, the movie would have been better without her. No question. Tony Stark could have easily found a way to get himself back home; in my opinion, it would have made more sense if that had been the case because of the awesome parallels it would have drawn with the first Iron Man movie. The first MCU movie of the Infinity Saga starts with Tony Stark using his intelligence to get out of captivity, and the final MCU movie of the Infinity Saga starts with a very similar thing. That would have been really cool. But ... Nah! Just have Carol find them.

Here’s a controversial opinion of both Endgame and Infinity War.

Spoiler: Sperg Out

For me, Infinity War and Endgame were both two of the better MCU movies because there’s a sense of solid structure and the payoff in the end is well earned,
except that they really slow walked the hell out of the time travel sequence. Like wow, scenes where Thor and Tony stop for no reason just to talk to their parents, as well as in Infinity War where Thanos and Gamora have their daddy issues made the films UNNECESSARILY LONGER, like what a waste of time.

But iirc, both Infinity War and Endgame kinda has the same issue with the later Harry Potter films, where there are times where I felt that they sort of made the plot unnecessarily darker and edgier just for the sake of being darker and edgier at times which exacerbated the slow walking issues.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Here’s a controversial opinion of both Endgame and Infinity War.

Spoiler: Sperg Out

For me, Infinity War and Endgame were both two of the better MCU movies because there’s a sense of solid structure and the payoff in the end is well earned,
except that they really slow walked the hell out of the time travel sequence. Like wow, scenes where Thor and Tony stop for no reason just to talk to their parents, as well as in Infinity War where Thanos and Gamora have their daddy issues made the films UNNECESSARILY LONGER, like what a waste of time.

But iirc, both Infinity War and Endgame kinda has the same issue with the later Harry Potter films, where there are times where I felt that they sort of made the plot unnecessarily darker and edgier just for the sake of being darker and edgier at times which exacerbated the slow walking issues.

The slower moments of both Infinity War and Endgame were actually my favorite parts, haha. I know a lot of people have expressed that the first act of Endgame went too slowly and was too somber/sad ... And yet the first act of the movie was overall my favorite part. I liked how the beginning of the movie felt like a funeral, haha.

I loooooved the Gamora and Thanos stuff in Infinity War in particular. For me, that arc in the movie is part of what made Thanos a very intriguing villain. Gamora's death will forever be one of my favorite MCU moments because of how hopeless things effectively looked in that moment.

As for the "Time Heist," I thought it was a lot of fun ... But I would have preferred a more frantic tone like Infinity War. Perhaps making the 2014 Thanos discover what the Avengers were doing earlier on would have added more conflict, as it could have been a race to see who gets to the Infinity Stones first? My biggest issue with the Time Heist is that aside from the sacrifice needed to get the Soul Stone, it appeared a bit too easy for the Avengers to collect the Infinity Stones. I think it would have been more exciting to incorporate Thanos more into the movie.

 

[Absolutego]

I seriously, seriously do not understand why Captain Marvel got a movie before Endgame instead of Black Widow. It literally makes no sense from a story perspective, or really from a business one.

Wonder Woman made ~$800 million at the box office about a month before the movie went into production, and Black Widow doesn't have godlike super powers to create the empowerment fantasy for women everyone in the media was screeching at Marvel to hurry up and deliver to the masses already. It made >$300 million more than Wonder Woman too, so from a business bottom line perspective it clearly worked out.

Inb4 people start seriously claiming Disney bought a shitload of fake tickets to boost Captain Marvel's numbers.

 

[InsolentGaylord]

Wonder Woman made ~$800 million at the box office about a month before the movie went into production, and Black Widow doesn't have godlike super powers to create the empowerment fantasy for women everyone in the media was screeching at Marvel to hurry up and deliver to the masses already. It made >$300 million more than Wonder Woman too, so from a business bottom line perspective it clearly worked out.

Inb4 people start seriously claiming Disney bought a shitload of fake tickets to boost Captain Marvel's numbers.

"It clearly worked out"
Due to them having her teased at the end of Infinity War and it being marketed as a prequel of sorts to Endgame.

Yes it clearly worked out because female empowerment, not because people wanted a resolution to a major cliffhanger. What do you call this kind of shilling? Concern Shilling?

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The more I think about the finale of the MCU, the less impressed I am.

I don't remember anything from Infinity War, it has so many characters and events it's all blending together into a mess. I can only say the film existed.

Endgame is worse the more you think about it. If you are going to set a plot point that erases the stakes then what's the point of even having them? The time travel plot is a massive case of "remember that", it is supposed to end some of the characters plotlines, but then what's the point of the main films of said characters? The final battle be might the most none threatening battle in cinema history, it is a masturbatory conclusion where there is no real sense of danger or logic, characters cease to exist between shots since everyone ganging up on Thanos (the logical action) would break it completely. The ending itself badly writes out the big three main characters out and is a terrible example of passing the torch. It is the epitome of films as theme park rides.

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

I seriously, seriously do not understand why Captain Marvel got a movie before Endgame instead of Black Widow. It literally makes no sense from a story perspective, or really from a business one.

I will be cynical and say that it was because pretty much all actors that had deaths/retirements in Endgame/Infinity War were just done with the franchise and just wanted to move on. Except for Robert Downey JR who I suspect they killed because he was getting too expensive.

Brie Larson was, and unfortunately still is, available for plenty of movies, and I think they missed their chance for Scarlet Johnson who had been waiting for years. So from a cold cash perspective, it made sense to promote the superhero that they thought they could m1ilk for years vs the actress on her way out.

Though, I don't doubt Scalet Johanson might get more movies if her solo movie is a wild success or them even doing some typical comic resurrection/multiverse BS to bring her back because money talks. But with the way BW died, I think the initial plan was for Scarlet to move on.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Captain Marvel's biggest sin wasn't "Muh Feminism" or Cheese ass Larson..it had 7 writers and none of them seemed to at all be working together to make a coherent movie. It made the moments of "Muh Feminizm" completely out of place in terms of the movies themes.

Infinity War and End Game were okay (Infinity War was better) but..the final battle was a set of unimpressive check marks against faceless opponents, it would have been leagues better if after an initial scuffle of the Core Avengers and Thanos, Thanos ends up with the Time, Space and Mind Stones..and uses them to space/time warp all the previous villains to the battlefield..then Mind Controlled them into his army, That way the film becomes less of a Baton Race to get the glove to the van, and instead the film becomes "Get the Stones, Keep the Remainin Stones away..-and- get them back in time." all while giving the Assembled Avengers a more varied set of opponents to showcase powers against.

Also at some point in Endgame there needed to have been a serious condemnation of Thanos' snap and the effects it had on the universe. The biggest thing missing from it all was a refutation of "Doing this would be good for everyone." The Avengers didn't undo the Snap because it was the right thing to do..they undid it because they felt guilty about failing.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

After the shit they did to Nat in AoU and Endgame this movie should give closure to Nat's story. Despite it being Disney I still think it has potential to be the darkest of all the films.

There's a rumor Jessica Jones and other women will be joining Captain Marvel and her stupid haircut in the sequel. Tbh they should age her up but they won't because outside of Michelle Pfeiffer and Rachel Weisz there's no such thing as a 40-70 year old female superhero.

DS2 was supposed to be a cool horror picture featuring Wanda. You know Disney ruined everything it could have become.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

There's a rumor Jessica Jones and other women will be joining Captain Marvel

Oh those two on the same screen? The absolute lack of Charisma between the pair will cause a black hole that summons Galactus.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

I’m not sure if you all ever go on the Star Wars thread where I brought up the possible idea of Amazon buying Disney. Tell how appalled you would be if Jeff Bezos becomes the owner of Marvel.

 

[That Chris Guy]

I’m not sure if you all ever go on the Star Wars thread where I brought up the possible idea of Amazon buying Disney. Tell how appalled you would be if Jeff Bezos becomes the owner of Marvel.

I would laugh uproariously because Disney sucks.
I would continue laughing because even though they all use Amazon anyway, all the Disney diehards would cry out in unified terror before gutting themselves on livestream.
After that, I'd just go back to watching everything go down in flames.

There's no conceivable way this could happen legally. Disney is already such a bloated corporation with extensive ownership of American culture that the Fox merger caused anti-trust to look their way. Having Amazon acquire them would make them a massive, multi-industry giant.

Besides, you should be more concerned about China snatching it up instead.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

I would laugh uproariously because Disney sucks.
I would continue laughing because even though they all use Amazon anyway, all the Disney diehards would cry out in unified terror before gutting themselves on livestream.
After that, I'd just go back to watching everything go down in flames.

There's no conceivable way this could happen legally. Disney is already such a bloated corporation with extensive ownership of American culture that the Fox merger caused anti-trust to look their way. Having Amazon acquire them would make them a massive, multi-industry giant.

Besides, you should be more concerned about China snatching it up instead.

I asked this because once Iger bounces, Disney could be a company that’s up for grabs in the future.

 

[That Chris Guy]

I asked this because once Iger bounces, Disney could be a company that’s up for grabs in the future.

Yes, because, "Oh noes! Our boss left! Better let our multi-billion dollar company fold in on itself, boys! The jig is up!"

I am extremely doubtful of this. Unless Disney has been very incompetent with its accounting for the last decade, someone will just take his place. You would need their three biggest brands to all fail continuously for some time, and before that they would simply jettison brands they'd feel aren't worth keeping.

Believe me, I'd be fine with Disney crashing and having to be split up again, but I also think it's unrealistic to think that they'd be in that position after the wealth they've acquired over the years, both in property and in finances.

 

[Syaoran Li]

I asked this because once Iger bounces, Disney could be a company that’s up for grabs in the future.

Sort of agree. I think that once Iger is gone, Disney will suffer some major hits. I don't think they will be bought up outright but I wouldn't be surprised if they sell some of their acquisitions, particularly ones that are either older stuff they bought out in the Pre-Iger era that are minor bit players in their empire (like A&E/History Channel) or things that have become a money sink and have taken a massive financial hit in recent years (like Star Wars)

Yes, because, "Oh noes! Our boss left! Better let our multi-billion dollar company fold in on itself, boys! The jig is up!"

I am extremely doubtful of this. Unless Disney has been very incompetent with its accounting for the last decade, someone will just take his place. You would need their three biggest brands to all fail continuously for some time, and before that they would simply jettison brands they'd feel aren't worth keeping.

Believe me, I'd be fine with Disney crashing and having to be split up again, but I also think it's unrealistic to think that they'd be in that position after the wealth they've acquired over the years, both in property and in finances.

Personally, I think once Iger is gone, we're going to see some major financial difficulties and I wouldn't be surprised if their accounting has been beyond fucked-up in the Iger years thanks to all their massive mergers and buyouts as they try to build their monopoly on the entertainment industry.

I don't think Amazon will buy Disney outright, but I wouldn't put it past the Rat to sell one of their major IP's to Amazon if things become too financially difficult. I don't think it will be Marvel or FOX though.

More likely, I could see them selling the stuff they have from A&E and History Channel or certain specific IP's in the Fox library.

 

[That Chris Guy]

Personally, I think once Iger is gone, we're going to see some major financial difficulties and I wouldn't be surprised if their accounting has been beyond fucked-up in the Iger years thanks to all their massive mergers and buyouts as they try to build their monopoly on the entertainment industry.

I don't think Amazon will buy Disney outright, but I wouldn't put it past the Rat to sell one of their major IP's to Amazon if things become too financially difficult. I don't think it will be Marvel or FOX though.

More likely, I could see them selling the stuff they have from A&E and History Channel or certain specific IP's in the Fox library.

We'll have to see what happens come 2021. I think it will just be several years of consolidation rather than more of this expansion, as I think Disney's grown about as far as it can legally. The question is whether the MCU will actually start to deteriorate from fatigue soon, or if consumers just continue to watch it despite releasing junk (like the long-winded Fast and the Furious).

Even if it does fail, that's not a death knell for Disney on its own. Their own Disney brand of IPs would have to shrink considerably in addition to the Star Wars IP becoming null and void. Unless Iger clears all the coffers and runs away with an inordinate amount of money, I don't see it happening. This isn't Sony where everything is failing except for their video-game division.

 

[Syaoran Li]

We'll have to see what happens come 2021. I think it will just be several years of consolidation rather than more of this expansion, as I think Disney's grown about as far as it can legally. The question is whether the MCU will actually start to deteriorate from fatigue soon, or if consumers just continue to watch it despite releasing junk (like the long-winded Fast and the Furious).

Even if it does fail, that's not a death knell for Disney on its own. Their own Disney brand of IPs would have to shrink considerably in addition to the Star Wars IP becoming null and void. Unless Iger clears all the coffers and runs away with an inordinate amount of money, I don't see it happening. This isn't Sony where everything is failing except for their video-game division.

True. I do think that with Endgame over and more "Woke Marvel" stuff along the way, the MCU is primed for a massive flop in the early 2020's that ends up killing the capeshit fad for a while. Until they can finish going through all the red tape on the X-Men rights and somehow avoid messing up any MCU X-Men films, the MCU is starting to scrape the bottom of the barrel and while I do think the Black Widow movie will do well, everything else is more of a gamble, especially if the rumors of internal problems at Disney/Marvel are true.

I don't think Disney will ever truly go away, but I wouldn't be surprised if they start downsizing and consolidating in the post-Iger era.

Keep in mind that the Fast & Furious franchise had an extended break in the late 2000's after Tokyo Drift and 2 Fast 2 Furious didn't do as well as the original one from 2001. It wasn't until they rebranded the franchise as an action-packed heist film series that it really started to get big.

Marvel hasn't had such a break and the capeshit fad that has dominated the 2010's is nearing peak saturation if it hasn't reached it already. We're due for the bubble bursting.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

Captain Marvel, as a standalone movie, is ... An OK, mediocre action movie at best. As a movie in the MCU, though? It's an absolute stinker, through and through. It's basically the only MCU movie where it makes more sense in the context of Infinity War and Endgame to NOT watch it. Watching Captain Marvel brings about one huge, unforgivable plothole: Captain Marvel's abilities basically make her Space Jesus. And one of her big enemies in her solo movie was Ronan-- someone who worked very closely with Thanos. How did Captain Marvel not even know about Thanos for all of these years, when he was genocide-ing so many other planets?! And no, "Space is just really big you guys" isn't a good enough explanation. She had been around for 25 years before the Snap; there's no way she didn't know about Thanos. Methinks Captain Marvel sucks at her job.

My thoughts on it was that she wasn't supposed to be policing much of anything and that she had just been protecting Skrull refugees the entire time and just didn't bother with much outside that. Like why weren't Thor or Odin concerned with him, either? Odin was supposed to be like the motherfucker of all motherfuckers throughout much of the universe wasn't he? My interpretation is that even f people knew of Thanos, he was just one "really strong guy" in a universe of "really strong guys" until suddenly he had two of the stones and then it became a much bigger problem.