Victor Mignogna v. Funimation Productions, LLC, et al. (2019) - Vic's lawsuit against Funimation, VAs, and others, for over a million dollars.

[HighwayStar]

And all Vic wants from Funi is a tweet that they didnt mean that he was harrassing people...

Yeah, that wont happen without some serious talking to from Sony to Funimation...

Agree. I think it’s painfully clear that Vic only wants two things: one is for Funimation and their VA’s to make a public statement apologizing for firing him over false allegations and slandering him in the aftermath and for these people to never interfere with his livelihood again. That’s really all he asks. He’s not interested in money or some petty vengeance; he just wants to work without a tainted name.

The true wildcard here is Sony, because they’re the ones who own 95% of Funimation. Considering how much money and subscribers was lost this past year and the embarrassing PR that came in its wake, I think it would be stupid on the part of Sony to not take drastic action and make some difficult decisions, even decisions they hate but have to make to not have something like this happen again.

 

[AnOminous]

The true wildcard here is Sony, because they’re the ones who own 95% of Funimation.

Soyny is garbage, though. They're literally insane. They're going to do nothing.

Really hoping Chupp will release his fact and findings that lemonpledge demanded from him based on sanctions and fees if transcripts are gonna be much longer.

I actually like the idea of Chupp just completely blowing that off. The rule totally says he actually has to do it but he's Chupp. I could see him literally just ignoring the rule and refusing to do it.

 

[Garm]

I’m shocked that Funi didn’t settle at all. They had ample opportunities to do this in the past and they chose not to. Hell, Chupp even had them do that belated mediation and they still chose not to settle. I don’t get why Funi just couldn’t settle if they wanted to make this go away.

This tells me one of two things: either they’re that grossly incompetent or they’re that hellbent on destroying Vic, and given how many of these VA’s behaved since January, I would say it’s more of the latter than the former.

This all happened because everyone involved was told how great the TCPA is. Once that is gone settlement will sound a lot better.

 

[DragoonSierra]

If you are saying that Tina is withholding this intentionally for lemonine, then I would recommend we do not invite trouble in absence of certainty.

If that is not what you are stating, then what do you mean?

With that said, I do wonder if BHBC can ask for ETA on transcripts.

edit: Wait I get the joke you were making.....sorry I should go to sleep

I was joking that Lemoine killed tina and is on the run

 

[Notspecialdude]

I’m shocked that Funi didn’t settle at all. They had ample opportunities to do this in the past and they chose not to. Hell, Chupp even had them do that belated mediation and they still chose not to settle. I don’t get why Funi just couldn’t settle if they wanted to make this go away.

This tells me one of two things: either they’re that grossly incompetent or they’re that hellbent on destroying Vic, and given how many of these VA’s behaved since January, I would say it’s more of the latter than the former.

I've said this before, but it bares repeating since it does explain the otherwise baffling behavior of the defendants.

They can't settle!

It'd be political suicide to go back on months of narrative indicating that Vic deserved to be destroyed and that all the things said about him were true. Every left leaning and feminist driven news and blog would rake them over the coals for settling. Their careers would be ruined. Thats not to say what they are doing now is helping, but theyd rather be seen as incompetent in court then liars to the public.

 

[HighwayStar]

I've said this before, but it bares repeating since it does explain the otherwise baffling behavior of the defendants.

They can't settle!

It'd be political suicide to go back on months of narrative indicating that Vic deserved to be destroyed and that all the things said about him were true. Every left leaning and feminist driven news and blog would rake them over the coals for settling. Their careers would be ruined. Thats not to say what they are doing now is helping, but theyd rather be seen as incompetent in court then liars to the public.

They’d be honestly stupid not to settle, because if they thought this year was bad, if the appeals get overturned and Vic passes the TCPA next year, it’s going to destroy their credibility (if it wasn’t damaged enough) and cause the bottom to fall out. Vic doesn’t have to go to the second round to hurt Funimation; passing the TCPA is enough to make them look bad in public. Not even Sharon Grigsby can save the day.

But I have a feeling it won’t happen because like you and @AnOminous said, they’re too stubbornly clinging on their narrative to admit their mistakes. I guess a public apology is too much to ask for these days.

 

[RJ MacReady]

I've said this before, but it bares repeating since it does explain the otherwise baffling behavior of the defendants.

They can't settle!

It'd be political suicide to go back on months of narrative indicating that Vic deserved to be destroyed and that all the things said about him were true. Every left leaning and feminist driven news and blog would rake them over the coals for settling. Their careers would be ruined. Thats not to say what they are doing now is helping, but theyd rather be seen as incompetent in court then liars to the public.

Not really. A common aspect of settlements is the conceding party being able to walk away without even admitting they were wrong and losing face and KickVic would more than likely characterise a settlement by the defendants as further proof of evil rapists using the legal system to silence innocent victims.

There's no universe where the defendants in this case aren't being lionised as the heroes. That's not how the game works.

 

[7proxy]

Ironically, the motion actually had merit at the time it was filed. It was just an absolutely stupid waste of effort. Why file such a motion? What did it accomplish? Literally fucking nothing.

Put yourself in Lemoine's lungs for a minute, but not a second longer to avoid hypoxia and brain damage: do you want the case to be judged on its merits or do you want to throw everything at it but the kitchen sink and hope that something lands?

I think there's a real possibility that Lemoine's dump-truck filings and love letters helped turn Chupp away from the case. Lemoine wore him down and maybe he can wear the appellate court down too. For all we know, the transcript is late because Tina couldn't take it anymore and she offed herself in Minecraft.

 

[HighwayStar]

Not really. A common aspect of settlements is the conceding party being able to walk away without even admitting they were wrong and losing face and KickVic would more than likely characterise a settlement by the defendants as further proof of evil rapists using the legal system to silence innocent victims.

There's no universe where the defendants in this case aren't being lionised as the heroes. That's not how the game works.

I don’t know about that. This is way different from the usual cases, mainly because of the plaintiff himself. As I said before, Vic clearly doesn’t prioritize the money - why else would he sue for $1 million instead of say, $20 million or even $5 million? His main objective is to clear his name, continue working and make the codefendants apologize for ruining his life. Vic knows that them not admitting their wrongdoings isn’t going to stop the Internet from attacking him and the public from believing he committed those acts.

I mean, if Vic was dissatisfied with their offers at an eight-hour mediation, I can’t imagine him being pleased if Funi just merely offers a sum of money to make this go away. Money is great and all, but the right to continue working without a dark cloud over your head is more important to him.

 

[RJ MacReady]

I don’t know about that. This is way different from the usual cases, mainly because of the plaintiff himself. As I said before, Vic clearly doesn’t prioritize the money - why else would he sue for $1 million instead of say, $20 million or even $5 million? His main objective is to clear his name, continue working and make the codefendants apologize for ruining his life. Vic knows that them not admitting their wrongdoings isn’t going to stop the Internet from attacking him and the public from believing he committed those acts.

I mean, if Vic was dissatisfied with their offers at an eight-hour mediation, I can’t imagine him being pleased if Funi just merely offers a sum of money to make this go away. Money is great and all, but the right to continue working without a dark cloud over your head is more important to him.

I wasn't debating whether Mignogna should accept any hypothetical settlement, just what the PR risk is for the defendants to do so - and I feel it's non-existent.

 

[HighwayStar]

I wasn't debating whether Mignogna should accept any hypothetical settlement, just what the PR risk is for the defendants to do so - and I feel it's non-existent.

I think that Vic’s goal is for them to go on Twitter, the same social media platform where all this Internet firestorm began, and apologize there. He wants them to confess their wrongdoings in public in front of millions of Internet users, in the same proper sphere where he received all these horrible allegations.

Funi may think it’s not worth the PR risk, but the last time they avoided that risk, not only did it earn them a lawsuit, but many skeletons were thrown out of their closet -i.e. the leaked audio clips, the casting couch rumors, etc. There’s probably a lot more that they’re hiding.

Funi may think that trying to placate #MeToo will land them a safety net, but tell me. Are a bunch of nobodies who will never buy your product worth losing thousands, even millions of dollars, in legal fees and thousands of subscribers over? FUNI should ask themselves that question. In fact, they should’ve asked themselves that before this whole thing even started.

 

[Notspecialdude]

I wasn't debating whether Mignogna should accept any hypothetical settlement, just what the PR risk is for the defendants to do so - and I feel it's non-existent.

The basis of my statement that its political suicide comes from the aftermath of Projared showing undeniable proof of his innocence regarding the accusations of harassment and pedophilia. At the end of the day, it was clear that while Jared was sexually active, he wasn't the monster the accusations portrayed him as. That resulted in EVERY public figure that was against Projared, from youtubers to Heidi herself, having the internet pull a 180 and focus its viciousness towards them. As it turned out, the people on the internet don't want to accept responsibility for blatantly believing bullshit without proof, and when its revealed to be a lie, they WILL attack the people who "made" them look like morons.

 

[Dumb Bitch Smoothie]

I hope Vic and his law squad take those sons of bitches for a spin around the block if they get past TCPA and into discovery.

 

[MadPanda]

I was joking that Lemoine killed tina and is on the run

Yeah I realized that a few minutes later.

 

[Focken Kiwi]

Not really. A common aspect of settlements is the conceding party being able to walk away without even admitting they were wrong and losing face and KickVic would more than likely characterise a settlement by the defendants as further proof of evil rapists using the legal system to silence innocent victims.

There's no universe where the defendants in this case aren't being lionised as the heroes. That's not how the game works.

Should this go to settlement at any time, it should certainly be a stipulation that the conceding parties must unblock all social media accounts, keep all accounts unblocked for an entire year, and during the duration, keep a pinned apology directly to Vic and the public on the front page of their social media accounts. I don't think anything would deter further defamation like the humiliation that public self deprecation would bring.

 

[DragoonSierra]

They’d be honestly stupid not to settle, because if they thought this year was bad, if the appeals get overturned and Vic passes the TCPA next year, it’s going to destroy their credibility (if it wasn’t damaged enough) and cause the bottom to fall out. Vic doesn’t have to go to the second round to hurt Funimation; passing the TCPA is enough to make them look bad in public. Not even Sharon Grigsby can save the day.

But I have a feeling it won’t happen because like you and @AnOminous said, they’re too stubbornly clinging on their narrative to admit their mistakes. I guess a public apology is too much to ask for these days.

This is why you make sure that owing Vic a million dollars for the rest of their lives is more painful than settling.

I don’t know about that. This is way different from the usual cases, mainly because of the plaintiff himself. As I said before, Vic clearly doesn’t prioritize the money - why else would he sue for $1 million instead of say, $20 million or even $5 million? His main objective is to clear his name, continue working and make the codefendants apologize for ruining his life. Vic knows that them not admitting their wrongdoings isn’t going to stop the Internet from attacking him and the public from believing he committed those acts.

I mean, if Vic was dissatisfied with their offers at an eight-hour mediation, I can’t imagine him being pleased if Funi just merely offers a sum of money to make this go away. Money is great and all, but the right to continue working without a dark cloud over your head is more important to him.

Even thought it wont fully restore his reputation he can take an official recanting to any business or convention and say "even they said they lied." He cant force anyone to hire him but there will be people who believe him. I also suspect that there are people that are ready to do business with Vic right now but are too afraid of the mob and losing business.

 

[GenericReviewerDraco]

Sony will tell Funimation to settle. Sony's involved in this as well, and they're not going to want to deal with discovery.

Sony is so tainted with woke I somehow think they'll let FUNi go maximum retard. Sony did go maximum sped in censoring weeb kusoge.

 

[Make Anime Illegal]

Sony is so tainted with woke I somehow think they'll let FUNi go maximum exceptional individual. Sony did go maximum sped in censoring weeb kusoge.

You're talking about a company that intentionally infected its customers' computers with rootkits, and had their CEO go on the radio and say they shouldn't care because "most of them dont even know what a rootkit is." Two things they dont care about are PR, and their customers.

 

[GenericReviewerDraco]

Not really. A common aspect of settlements is the conceding party being able to walk away without even admitting they were wrong and losing face and KickVic would more than likely characterise a settlement by the defendants as further proof of evil rapists using the legal system to silence innocent victims.

There's no universe where the defendants in this case aren't being lionised as the heroes. That's not how the game works.

I still say kowtowing towards pedo rapists is more damaging to the narrative of neo-commies than standing your ground and paying a million dollars. Settling means the normies and the alt-righters/bots get to say "wahmen can be liars" ad infinitum even louder as much as Monica and Jamie would still be seen as heroes of justice

 

[HighwayStar]

Should this go to settlement at any time, it should certainly be a stipulation that the conceding parties must unblock all social media accounts, keep all accounts unblocked for an entire year, and during the duration, keep a pinned apology directly to Vic and the public on the front page of their social media accounts. I don't think anything would deter further defamation like the humiliation that public self deprecation would bring.

If Sony and Funimation had any brains and settled, they would do just that: pin an apology tweet on their handle for a long period of time and make a press statement admitting their wrongdoing. But of course, that’s never going to happen.

Even thought it wont fully restore his reputation he can take an official recanting to any business or convention and say "even they said they lied." He cant force anyone to hire him but there will be people who believe him. I also suspect that there are people that are ready to do business with Vic right now but are too afraid of the mob and losing business.

Trust me. If they could, they would. They wouldn’t think twice about inviting him.