Comicsgate Hangers-On and Drama Whores - A thread about some guy who's mad about Star Wars and the neckbeards obsessively stalking him

[Manwithn0n0men]

1. Get old fat ass out of bad and work on the comic. FAIL! Everyone saw you on YouTube every day for hours a day and you boasted about running around having fun with backer's money in your pockets.

2. Responsibly handle backer's money by putting the campaign it funded FIRST and putting playtime and rewarding yourself LAST! And that was a huge FAIL! Not only was it a FAIL but you advertised it was a FAIL by announcing you were rewarding yourself.

3. Use the backer's money to give them the highest level of quality product. FAIL! Because you blew through the money with all the self control of a 4 year old, and because you saw the backers as only people to be used for money, you sought out cheap foreign printing services. Instead of hiring one of the best printers who could create better floppys at a faster rate than would give backers their comics faster and of the quality you led them to believe they would receive, you went cheap! So backers are getting ink damaged comics at a slower pace.

Most of this is fair. The "Ink Damage" claim is a bit hyperbolic

It blew poor Breitweisers mind so much when backers didn't approve of his scheme to use them to score a WalMart deal that the deranged fool started throwing a 3 year old's fit by smashing his head into his baby crib. (It's scary when babies start angrily banging their heads into things.) But in Breitweiser's case it was funny and a pleasure to watch. I would have preferred he bang his head much longer and harder but at least he gave us that much.

I will believe the Wal-Mart deal when I see the comics at Wal-Mart

Those people deserve to be robbed and I hope you successfully rob the hell out of them. Take all you can out of them. Fool them over and over again. Punish them for being your stupid fans! Take your fans money and take a shit on them! Just as you did with your reprints campaigns and the laughable 'Ribbit Coins' scam. DO IT!!!

the coins were bad market research @FROG

 

[FROG]

Actually, it started out like another fan kissing your ass. (That's the part you liked!)

Then it got real.(That's the part you didn't like.)



And here you ramble on again about money you have made. You made out well. But your backers....they did not make out so well. And unlike the little campaigns that only made a few hundred or a few thousand...you have NO EXCUSES! You made on average over $50 per floppy. The more you keep reselling the same comic, the higher the number becomes. What are you, up to to $60 or $65 per floppy?

What that means is you had more money, more ability to full fill the campaign than the guy who makes a tiny bit of money.

All it took for you to full fill the campaign in a way that gave backers what you promised was:

1. Get old fat ass out of bad and work on the comic. FAIL! Everyone saw you on YouTube every day for hours a day and you boasted about running around having fun with backer's money in your pockets.

2. Responsibly handle backer's money by putting the campaign it funded FIRST and putting playtime and rewarding yourself LAST! And that was a huge FAIL! Not only was it a FAIL but you advertised it was a FAIL by announcing you were rewarding yourself.

3. Use the backer's money to give them the highest level of quality product. FAIL! Because you blew through the money with all the self control of a 4 year old, and because you saw the backers as only people to be used for money, you sought out cheap foreign printing services. Instead of hiring one of the best printers who could create better floppys at a faster rate than would give backers their comics faster and of the quality you led them to believe they would receive, you went cheap! So backers are getting ink damaged comics at a slower pace.

You failed at everything except at spending money. You got the money you wanted and your backers were screwed. That is what is called: A scam! You are what is called: A scammer!

It is not haters that revealed yourself to be a scammer, it is you. You did it. Just as Breitweiser did it. And even worse, you and Breitweiser are so mentally warped, you think the fans should just be happy you two sad jerk-offs came out of the deal with lots of money. The backers should put you two first like you are their little kids they should want to do well in life.

It blew poor Breitweisers mind so much when backers didn't approve of his scheme to use them to score a WalMart deal that the deranged fool started throwing a 3 year old's fit by smashing his head into his baby crib. (It's scary when babies start angrily banging their heads into things.) But in Breitweiser's case it was funny and a pleasure to watch. I would have preferred he bang his head much longer and harder but at least he gave us that much.

You though, are still scamming. Still coming up with ways for you to make more money for as little work as possible. I feel bad for those you scammed in the early campaigns, but just as I enjoyed watched Breitweiser smash his head into a keyboard, I am enjoying watching you rip off the buttsuckers who are trying to leech off you and who idolize you for being a piece of shit!

Those people deserve to be robbed and I hope you successfully rob the hell out of them. Take all you can out of them. Fool them over and over again. Punish them for being your stupid fans! Take your fans money and take a shit on them! Just as you did with your reprints campaigns and the laughable 'Ribbit Coins' scam. DO IT!!!

I didn't spend ANY of the Cyberfrog Bloodhoney money on myself, you retard. $8000 went to a lawyer, the rest of it went to taxes and paying for talent (Kyle Ritter and Somni) a charity and the enormous bills of printing trading cards, chromium covers, books and stickers.

I live like I do and always have. I made more money from DC Comics last year than I did when I actively worked for them, thanks to royalties, and YouTube pays all the household expenses.

I've YET to draw a paycheck from the Comics Business, because I was waiting to see how thing shook out after expenses. At this point, I'm spending that extra money on the hardcover ($48 per page to scan and create new files of old material, 328 pages) and commissioning and printing a giveaway Frog book, as well as getting the new CYBERFROG 2 chromium covers already printed and ready to go ahead of time.

We will continue to reinvest that money in CYBERFROG.

As for the coins, eh. They were meant to be giveaways with the trading card sets. It didn't work so well, but that's another company licensing Cyberfrog and paying me a stipend. It's not my own money.

At the end of the day CYBERFROG BLOODHONEY looks better than ANY other crowdfunded comic. And I want that achievement of $1M for the entire book. Just to be able to call him a million dollar frog!

All of the stuff is printed and ready to ship next week! You're going to hear a lot of happy customers. The ashcan is fantastic.

Salute! Happy Holidays!

 

[Pomniman]

Most of us, myself included, weren't in GamerGate, and don't know much about it. I only remember Mark Waid demanding GamerGaters not be invited to conventions, and suggested other pros boycott conventions that creators sympathetic to GamerGate attended. That was when I was working for DC, and before Diversity & Comics was around.

But I don't play video games and wasn't paying attention.

I guess the main difference between ComicsGate and GamerGate is that Comics aren't a healthy industry. It's a dying beast, a dinosaur in it's last throes. Video games are bigger than Hollywood. It's impossible to stand against it, to make a difference. It was bound to fail.

But as the Comics Direct Market collapses, and the industry scrambles to find it's footing, indies can make a stand and claim some ground.

In the process, we can shame SJW Cancel Culture and shine some light on it. Making entertaining videos about SJWs wherever they are is going to get some attention and create some momentum.

Will it last forever? Of course not. It's just energy. It's just about this moment in time. Things will change. From there, it's all about talent and good comics, hopefully with a new spirit.

CYBERFROG will continue as long as I want to do it. As long as I have a platform I'll keep promoting other creators that I like, that are doing great books that people should see. I don't know how long I'll have that platform, but until I no longer do, I'm really enjoying it all.

What I mean by "rank and file fags" is mostly the pro-comicsgate fans themselves. A lot of them were around for GaymerGape and still don't understand that it failed because they took games "journalism" slowly collapsing under the weight of its own incompetence as a "victory". There are some differences in terms of the industries and people you're against, but the overall nature of your "movement" is more similar to theirs than not. Telling people to speak with their wallets can only ever get you so far. If your expectations are really as grounded as you insist they are that's fine, but one's words and actions over time don't necessarily tell the same story.

 

[Water-T]

I was happy with the first paragraph and then it went downhill from there.

Ethan, honey - if you're looking for people to kiss your "I went pioneering in Peru at 19" ass, you've come to the wrong place. I think you're a talented guy, and I don't think you're a bad person, but you just need to get your fucking priorities straight and cut the Twitter/Livestream crap.

 

[FROG]

Ethan, honey - if you're looking for people to kiss your "I went pioneering in Peru at 19" ass, you've come to the wrong place. I think you're a talented guy, and I don't think you're a bad person, but you just need to get your fucking priorities straight and cut the Twitter/Livestream crap.

I just disagree with most of that. My priorities have changed drastically since I worked for DC for 20 years. It's family first now. YouTube and Comics fight for second place, but drawing comics without YouTube to market them is pointless right now. Most comic pros are whining about piracy as a reason they can't pay the bills, and that's with Marvel, DC and the Direct Market behind them.

I agree Twitter is a fucking waste.

What I mean by "rank and file fags" is mostly the pro-comicsgate fans themselves. A lot of them were around for GaymerGape and still don't understand that it failed because they took games "journalism" slowly collapsing under the weight of its own incompetence as a "victory". There are some differences in terms of the industries and people you're against, but the overall nature of your "movement" is more similar to theirs than not. Telling people to speak with their wallets can only ever get you so far. If your expectations are really as grounded as you insist they are that's fine, but one's words and actions over time don't necessarily tell the same story.

Look, "ComicsGate" is useful as a banner to gather under, because I want the people who tried to destroy us to know who it is that's kicking their asses. The movement as it was lost it's steam when it became clear that mainstream comics weren't ever going to change, and spite would still govern most of their creative and business decisions. If we couldn't get a victory by forcing them to respond to market forces, then we'd have to publish our own books.

So that's still what I'm doing, and I support others in joining me.

But again, ultimately we stand or fall based on our talent and performance. CFBH being so late is catastrophic, and that's all my own fault, but I think enough supporters who backed it will return to give me a second chance. Which I will not squander.

From there, it's just us vs. The Market. The anti-SJW cause will fade away as Social Justice Warriors disappear into history like the hippies did. But if we're fortunate, we'll have built something that can last.

 

[Drar Destrom]

At the end of the day CYBERFROG BLOODHONEY looks better than ANY other crowdfunded comic. And I want that achievement of $1M for the entire book. Just to be able to call him a million dollar frog!

All of the stuff is printed and ready to ship next week! You're going to hear a lot of happy customers. The ashcan is fantastic.

"Looks better" is a subjective comment. What you did not say is it "Was better in quality, higher grade paper, higher grade cover". That would have been a foolish statement as we know the paper quality was of below average quality.

You have already pissed off most of your customers. It is cute that some will be getting their orders a year and a half after placing them.

Anyone who orders from you again after knowing that you are unreliable and you skim on production costs deserves what they get. And when you are ripping them off at that point, I will not be sticking up for backers you screw over...I will be celebrating that they got screwed over because they were dumb enough to trust you again.

 

[Pomniman]

Look, "ComicsGate" is useful as a banner to gather under, because I want the people who tried to destroy us to know who it is that's kicking their asses. The movement as it was lost it's steam when it became clear that mainstream comics weren't ever going to change, and spite would still govern most of their creative and business decisions. If we couldn't get a victory by forcing them to respond to market forces, then we'd have to publish our own books.

So that's still what I'm doing, and I support others in joining me.

But again, ultimately we stand or fall based on our talent and performance. CFBH being so late is catastrophic, and that's all my own fault, but I think enough supporters who backed it will return to give me a second chance. Which I will not squander.

From there, it's just us vs. The Market. The anti-SJW cause will fade away as Social Justice Warriors disappear into history like the hippies did. But if we're fortunate, we'll have built something that can last.

Most of that is reasonable enough on the face of it, but I still think you're overlooking or at least underplaying the fact that it's not just you (CG) vs them (Marvel and DC). It's also inevitably going to be you (CG) vs yourself (CG) at the same time even when you smooth out the production issues and such, and that part of it is what really has the potential to bring the whole thing crashing down at any moment.

 

[FROG]

"Looks better" is a subjective comment. What you did not say is it "Was better in quality, higher grade paper, higher grade cover". That would have been a foolish statement as we know the paper quality was of below average quality.

You have already pissed off most of your customers. It is cute that some will be getting their orders a year and a half after placing them.

Anyone who orders from you again after knowing that you are unreliable and you skim on production costs deserves what they get. And when you are ripping them off at that point, I will not be sticking up for backers you screw over...I will be celebrating that they got screwed over because they were dumb enough to trust you again.

Cool story, bro.

Most of that is reasonable enough on the face of it, but I still think you're overlooking or at least underplaying the fact that it's not just you (CG) vs them (Marvel and DC). It's also inevitably going to be you (CG) vs yourself (CG) at the same time even when you smooth out the production issues and such, and that part of it is what really has the potential to bring the whole thing crashing down at any moment.

Don't know what you mean! Is this more War Campaign drivel?

 

[Pomniman]

Don't know what you mean! Is this more War Campaign drivel?

I barely even know what war campaign is but the fact that such splinter groups were bound to form sooner or later no matter what you personally did or didn't do is exactly what I'm talking about.

 

[Drar Destrom]

EVS' Thanksgiving dinner. Hope he enjoyed it!

A strange dinner. Did he kill some animal for that cock dinner? Is that cucumbers he carved into cocks or what?

 

[FROG]

I barely even know what war campaign is but the fact that such splinter groups were bound to form sooner or later no matter what you personally did or didn't do is exactly what I'm talking about.

Well, as I said, "ComicsGate" is only energy. Everyone coalesced behind it as long as they needed to, for whatever they were hoping to gain from it. Some people just wanted to use it for a shield while they regained their footing, others wanted an army to fight SJWs, some just wanted brotherhood and good fellowship.

People are going to come and go, and as their own energy for CG declines, hopefully build something of their own from it.

I want it to be the umbrella under which I promote crowdfunding campaigns for talented indie creators. I don't see that ending for me, but maybe it will. It won't be because Evangelicals call me anti-Christian and it won't be because of gay ops.

It'll be because I felt finished with it.

 

[Adamska]

Yeah... now you're sounding like the Sons of Kojima because for all their claims about just forming a community and they were shitting on some original source for being a fuck-up, they were control freaks and full of drama and gay ops.

And chief; I don't want false collectables that force me to pay more for a book that is held together by fucking staples; I buy the books goddamnit.

 

[CheezzyMach]

This is the EVS we need: the one that recognizes that the great medium of comics - the one few forms of art that was invented in America - is dying because the Big Three wants to cater to NPCs who don't buy comics instead of the long time paying fans who have been there for decades.

Instead, you've mostly dragged you feet on your promised work because you want to stroke your cock on here and whine about Doug, Edwin, etc. Here's a protip, Ethan - NO ONE CARES,

Sorry if I have been a bit harsh on you sometimes, but you can be a huge faggot on here, and coming from a dude who sucks dicks, that's really saying something. But I do it because I admire your work and want you to succeed....but you can't do that while wasting your time stroking your micropenis and yelling on live streams for 6 hours a day about why Edwin is a doody head and you're the most popular girl in middle school, not Doug.

Now put on your big boy magic underpants and fulfill your CF stuff before Zack gets three more comics Kickstarted and shipped out. Happy Leftovers Day, you tiny dicked cocksucker.

Eh as much as I hate the current climate at the Big 2 only appealing to old fans is bad too.

As I understand it part of the reason this mess started is because the readership isn't growing a lot of this SJWism is desperate attempts to be hip and with it for the kids as it were.

 

[Adamska]

Eh as much as I hate the current climate at the Big 2 only appealing to old fans is bad too.

As I understand it part of the reason this mess started is because the readership isn't growing a lot of this SJWism is desperate attempts to be hip and with it for the kids as it were.

Also a big weakness is that kids don't give a shit about comics anymore due to 30+ years of comics selling to weirdoes who collect them, building purely on collector autism and pricing out kids, and nuking any chance for kids to want to buy them. Why get them when they can get Fortnite or play Minecraft? Or just read Manga?

 

[CheezzyMach]

Also a big weakness is that kids don't give a shit about comics anymore due to 30+ years of comics selling to weirdoes who collect them, building purely on collector autism and pricing out kids, and nuking any chance for kids to want to buy them. Why get them when they can get Fortnite or play Minecraft? Or just read Manga?

Pretty much, the industry didn't learn a damn thing from the crash in the 90s and used the Direct Market as a safety net to keep doing the same shit.

And now the Direct Market is starting to implode both due to the idiocy currently going on at the Big 2 and Amazon killing brick and mortar stores in general.

 

[Dr. De Loutherbergh]

Pretty much, the industry didn't learn a damn thing from the crash in the 90s and used the Direct Market as a safety net to keep doing the same shit.

And now the Direct Market is starting to implode both due to the idiocy currently going on at the Big 2 and Amazon killing brick and mortar stores in general.

Disney does not like sharing profits with Diamond and comic book shops or drawing people into shops where comics from other publishers exist. Within a year after Ike Perlmutter is gone from Marvel Comics...things are going to change.

 

[Southern Man]

Heard a rumor that EVS has for 20 years been starring in Hey Little Dick porn but keeping his face off camera. It is apparently porn featuring women mocking a guy's small dick. Anyone ever watched that stuff and heard a voice with EVS' distinctive gay speech patterns and feminine voice?

 

[AnOminous]

Heard a rumor that EVS has for 20 years been starring in Hey Little Dick porn but keeping his face off camera. It is apparently porn featuring women mocking a guy's small dick. Anyone ever watched that stuff and heard a voice with EVS' distinctive gay speech patterns and feminine voice?

Your buttmad is showing.

 

[Mr. Potatohead]

Heard a rumor that EVS has for 20 years been starring in Hey Little Dick porn but keeping his face off camera. It is apparently porn featuring women mocking a guy's small dick. Anyone ever watched that stuff and heard a voice with EVS' distinctive gay speech patterns and feminine voice?

You're just making @FROG look better by comparison to your dumbass.

 

[huckbeine]

2020 will be an interesting year for comicsgaters. they have nothing left to rage about. how else will they grift??