Comicsgate Hangers-On and Drama Whores - A thread about some guy who's mad about Star Wars and the neckbeards obsessively stalking him

[Drar Destrom]

So 25k was typical in the run up to the spawn run to 300. You only got marketing promoting it up on 296-301 [My shop didnt even order spawn until 295.]

So what that means is conservatively you have about 13k people ordering spawn. A comic thats been in circulation since the 90s. Vs @FROG who got to 9kish (roughly)

Thats a heck of a first act.

In the past year, McFarlane had sold at least 742,020 comics when counting only the numbers I listed above.

During that time Ethan Van Sciver sold 8,566 issues of Cyberfrog. Then had to do variant covers and other gimmicks to keep reselling the same comic.

But if you want a great 1st act, look back in 1991. Spawn #1 had no variant covers and sold 1.7 million copies and at that time Todd McFarlane had been a professional comic book artist less than 10 years. He had not been chased out of mainstream comics for unprofessional conduct. He did not start wars with customers. And once he became his own boss He was not a year late on his comics. He was an adult. He got his ass out of bed and worked. He got things done. He was an industry powerhouse then and now.

Ethan Van Sciver's first act - 8,566 backers paid him upfront to do a job. He took the money and played with it...like a little kid would do. He screwed over every one of those backers. Many of those backers will never order from him again. That is a disastrous first act.

Todd McFarlane got where is he by working like a disciplined adult. Something Ethan Van Sciver just can not do. So it's not a matter of just being good or being more popular with comic book fans. It's a matter of having the character and drive to earn being good and being more popular with comic book fans.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

But if you want a great 1st act, look back in 1991. Spawn #1 had no variant covers and sold 1.7 million copies and at that time Todd McFarlane had been a professional comic book artist less than 10 years. He had not been chased out of mainstream comics for unprofessional conduct. He did not start wars with customers. And once he became his own boss He was not a year late on his comics. He was an adult. He got his ass out of bed and worked. He got things done. He was an industry powerhouse then and now.

When Todd was a David Lee Roth after he left Bon Jovi or Ozzy after he left Sabbath.

@FROG is like the Guy from Hootie and the Blowfish who decided to do a country Album

 

[Drar Destrom]

It's apples and oranges anyhow. CyberFrog Bloodhoney is a $25 graphic novel. Spawn is a $4 floppy.

You have to compare graphic novel numbers.

Spawn was introduced in 1991 and issue #1 sold 1.7 million copies. Three years later Spawn was the top selling comic book based toys/collectibles. Six years after Spawn's introduction Spawn was an HBO animated series and a movie. In September 2019 Spawn was the number one selling comic.

In 1996 Cyberfrog was introduced by Harris comics. 23 years later Cyberfrog is self published through crowdfunding. In 2018 Cyberfrog attracted 8,566 backers. In 2019 Cyberfrog: Bloodhoney limited edition line art variants attracted at least 957 backers. Also in 2019, Cyberfrog 'Ribbitcoins' attracted 53 backers.

But Ethan Van Sciver's stuff is real expensive so selling it to just a few people is better than selling less costly stuff to more people.

And also, buying $4.99 Spawn #301 or $7.99 Spawn #300 that could go up in value is....not that great for the buyer! What is great for the buyer is buying a comic for $25, that just sold on ebay for $14.50. The idea is to buy a comic at 5 times what it should be sold for. It makes the seller more money while screwing yourself over.

So next time you go to McD's, don't pay $4 for a burger. Be like an Ethan Van Sciver backer. Pay $25 dollars for a $4 burger. Pay $50 if the 'Sandwich Artist' signs the wrapper! Pay $100 for 4 variant burgers, $150 for four signed variant burgers. Enrich others....screw yourself over.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Spawn was introduced in 1991 and issue #1 sold 1.7 million copies. Three years later Spawn was the top selling comic book based toys/collectibles. Six years after Spawn's introduction Spawn was an HBO animated series and a movie. In September 2019 Spawn was the number one selling comic.

What was his first trades sales?

 

[Adamska]

It's apples and oranges anyhow. CyberFrog Bloodhoney is a $25 graphic novel. Spawn is a $4 floppy.

You have to compare graphic novel numbers.

You mean a super-floppy?

Because Jawbreakers: Lost Souls, and their sequel God-King is a graphic novel. I tend to define them as bookbound works, since there were "Deluxe" or "Super" comics about your size back in the day.

 

[StringyLeeds]

It's apples and oranges anyhow. CyberFrog Bloodhoney is a $25 graphic novel. Spawn is a $4 floppy.

You have to compare graphic novel numbers.

Richard has every right to say that, since my research tells me Jawbreakers was 120 pages long and had about 10 pages of gallery/thanks in the back. 110 pages of story. That's a graphic Novel, you'd pay $20 for that in a shop.

Cyberfrog BloodHoney, I am told, has about 55 pages of story and claims to be 80 pages (never specifying that it isn't 80 story pages and the last 20 pages are the art gallery)

I could buy a 55 page black label book for $7 with a better spine. BloodHoney is not a graphic novel, it's the first issue in a graphic novel arc. On top of that, it's not even a very long issue.

It must be 24/7 wetdreaming about yourself in that egg-shaped head

 

[FROG]

Spawn was introduced in 1991 and issue #1 sold 1.7 million copies. Three years later Spawn was the top selling comic book based toys/collectibles. Six years after Spawn's introduction Spawn was an HBO animated series and a movie. In September 2019 Spawn was the number one selling comic.

In 1996 Cyberfrog was introduced by Harris comics. 23 years later Cyberfrog is self published through crowdfunding. In 2018 Cyberfrog attracted 8,566 backers. In 2019 Cyberfrog: Bloodhoney limited edition line art variants attracted at least 957 backers. Also in 2019, Cyberfrog 'Ribbitcoins' attracted 53 backers.

But Ethan Van Sciver's stuff is real expensive so selling it to just a few people is better than selling less costly stuff to more people.

And also, buying $4.99 Spawn #301 or $7.99 Spawn #300 that could go up in value is....not that great for the buyer! What is great for the buyer is buying a comic for $25, that just sold on ebay for $14.50. The idea is to buy a comic at 5 times what it should be sold for. It makes the seller more money while screwing yourself over.

So next time you go to McD's, don't pay $4 for a burger. Be like an Ethan Van Sciver backer. Pay $25 dollars for a $4 burger. Pay $50 if the 'Sandwich Artist' signs the wrapper! Pay $100 for 4 variant burgers, $150 for four signed variant burgers. Enrich others....screw yourself over.

I'm just enjoying being beaten down by retards who are comparing me to Todd McFarlane, literally the most successful comic book artist of all time.

I fucking love Kiwi Farms.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

I'm just enjoying being beaten down by exceptional individuals who are comparing me to Todd McFarlane, literally the most successful comic book artist of all time.

I fucking love Kiwi Farms.

Todd is a bit more then a successful comic artist [at this point]

 

[Adamska]

I'm just enjoying being beaten down by exceptional individuals who are comparing me to Todd McFarlane, literally the most successful comic book artist of all time.

I fucking love Kiwi Farms.

Love how you're so sad you're using tard nuke maneuvers to feel better about fucking up delivering to the guys who paid for your product the most.

And the comparison wasn't designed to be complimentary.

 

[Drar Destrom]

I'm just enjoying being beaten down by exceptional individuals who are comparing me to Todd McFarlane, literally the most successful comic book artist of all time.

I fucking love Kiwi Farms.

My bad. I should have compared you to an unsuccessful comic book artist.

 

[Reverend]

Again....Ethan looks more credible cause this is the other side

I get that folks are butthurt about EVS' success and our dearest lil @FROG is not unabashedly apologetic about his success. He's a businessman promoting his brand, he gets in spats with other internet drama llama's, in the end I don't care if he makes Andrea paint his toe thumbs rainbow color and he proclaims himself "King of the Pond" while wearing a diaper. His work is quality, he's putting his work out himself, he is putting his money where his mouth is, and he is making waves and people HATE change.

EVS isn't a saint but he's the deadpool of comic creators and as long as his comics are entertaining and gorgeous I'll keep on buying them.

 

[Adamska]

EVS isn't a saint but he's the deadpool of comic creators and as long as his comics are entertaining and gorgeous I'll keep on buying them.

Thing is, I probably will buy his Reignbow Brute idea too. I just think you don't get to fucking peacock until you fully close on your other deals.

Talking the talk means you need to also walk the walk, and he ain't there yet when it comes to fulfilling backers.

 

[Reverend]

Thing is, I probably will buy his Reignbow Brute idea too. I just think you don't get to fucking peacock until you fully close on your other deals.

Talking the talk means you need to also walk the walk, and he ain't there yet when it comes to fulfilling backers.

True very true. He's late as hell on releasing the books but at least the books EXIST and they are shipping, albeit late. I've backed WAAAYYY too many kickstarters and got burnt on several.

I knew EVS was gonna be late when I backed it after seeing the shitshow that was JawBreakers and what YaBoiZack went through. I knew EVS was a tad too 'agressive' in his timeline to release.

 

[Pomniman]

I get that folks are butthurt about EVS' success and our dearest lil @FROG is not unabashedly apologetic about his success. He's a businessman promoting his brand, he gets in spats with other internet drama llama's, in the end I don't care if he makes Andrea paint his toe thumbs rainbow color and he proclaims himself "King of the Pond" while wearing a diaper. His work is quality, he's putting his work out himself, he is putting his money where his mouth is, and he is making waves and people HATE change.

EVS isn't a saint but he's the deadpool of comic creators and as long as his comics are entertaining and gorgeous I'll keep on buying them.

I'm not personally involved in any of this but it looks like the backlash is a result of him taking forever to deliver on what he promised while constantly bragging about how much money he's made. It's disingenuous to chalk that kind of behavior up to "making waves" when CG is supposed to be a consumer movement.

 

[FROG]

I'm not personally involved in any of this but it looks like the backlash is a result of him taking forever to deliver on what he promised while constantly bragging about how much money he's made. It's disingenuous to chalk that kind of behavior up to "making waves" when CG is supposed to be a consumer movement.

I talk about the money CYBERFROG raised because I'm rubbing it in the faces of the industry SJWs and Cancel Culture.

I don't mean to upset my fans or supporters, or those who were fans and did support me. I always hope they'll understand what I'm doing. I'm trying to show the mainstream comic book industry that they don't have the power over us that they thought they had, and in a lot of ways, escaping the mainstream results in better opportunities.

As for being late, yeah, I totally get that. I know I'm taking a beating for that and I deserve it. But I drew every page of CYBERFROG BLOODHONEY and 1998, which amounts to a combined total of 80 pages plus covers. It's my best work, and that's what I wanted to do with this opportunity, create a book that I was completely happy with.

Next time I'll launch when the books are almost finished. I can afford to do that now. I couldn't then.

 

[Pomniman]

I talk about the money CYBERFROG raised because I'm rubbing it in the faces of the industry SJWs and Cancel Culture.

I don't mean to upset my fans or supporters, or those who were fans and did support me. I always hope they'll understand what I'm doing. I'm trying to show the mainstream comic book industry that they don't have the power over us that they thought they had, and in a lot of ways, escaping the mainstream results in better opportunities.

As for being late, yeah, I totally get that. I know I'm taking a beating for that and I deserve it. But I drew every page of CYBERFROG BLOODHONEY and 1998, which amounts to a combined total of 80 pages plus covers. It's my best work, and that's what I wanted to do with this opportunity, create a book that I was completely happy with.

Next time I'll launch when the books are almost finished. I can afford to do that now. I couldn't then.

I get it, and it's good to see that you've acknowledged at least some fault on your part, but in general you can't really "beat" them without cleaning your act up to some degree. Part of the reason the current version of the industry is despised by the fans is that beyond just being left wing extremists there's a perception of writers and artists as smug assholes with bloated egos. If you perpetuate that image, whether you mean to or not, whether it's in the service of opposing your enemies or not, it's still going to hurt your reputation among fans.

I've written things (not comics) myself under various pseudonyms, and I understand the urge to "go for the throat" of whoever or whatever it is you feel like you're up against, but I deliberately write things that are meant to be as unpleasant and antagonistic as possible towards all readers of all stripes regardless of what they believe, sales, readership, and reputation be damned. You don't have the luxury of being anywhere near as self-indulgent as someone like me because you're still aiming for broad appeal and big sales even if you have your own artistic and ideological goals beyond that.

 

[Reverend]

I'm not personally involved in any of this but it looks like the backlash is a result of him taking forever to deliver on what he promised while constantly bragging about how much money he's made. It's disingenuous to chalk that kind of behavior up to "making waves" when CG is supposed to be a consumer movement.

I'd do the same thing as EVS did. I'd tell the entire world "Fuck you, I did it on my own and YOU can too!"

The SJW's told Uncle E "You'll never make a comic book you NEED DC/Marvel" He makes a comic book.

SJW's crowed: "It'll never sell! You'll never get customers!" He sells nearly $1M worth of comic books

SJW's lambast him with "You are late! You have poor work ethic! It'll never ship!" He ships a gorgeous looking book to customers who rave about the quality of the art and coloring and none of the shitting on the fan base.

Every step of the way the Vocal Minority wants EVS and RCM to fail and fail HARD so they can say that the one and only path to success is through the Big 2 (IDW and Alterna don't count to them) and by proxy through their approval as Emperor Gatekeepers of what will sit on the comic shelves and what won't.

I would absolutely tell everyone under the sun "I was told I couldn't, was told I would fail, but HERE I AM LOOK AT THIS!" and announce your success to the world so others can (and they have) followed in RCM/EVS' wake where they don't need Marvel/DC to sell directly to the customers, hence the movement of Direct Sales (tesla model) for comics is working and the 12 Blue Haired lunatics on twitter HATE success.


You may call what @FROG is being as "smug" or "gloating" I call it basking in the glory of making the seemingly impossible...possible.

 

[Pomniman]

I'd do the same thing as EVS did. I'd tell the entire world "Fuck you, I did it on my own and YOU can too!"

The SJW's told Uncle E "You'll never make a comic book you NEED DC/Marvel" He makes a comic book.

SJW's crowed: "It'll never sell! You'll never get customers!" He sells nearly $1M worth of comic books

SJW's lambast him with "You are late! You have poor work ethic! It'll never ship!" He ships a gorgeous looking book to customers who rave about the quality of the art and coloring and none of the shitting on the fan base.

Every step of the way the Vocal Minority wants EVS and RCM to fail and fail HARD so they can say that the one and only path to success is through the Big 2 (IDW and Alterna don't count to them) and by proxy through their approval as Emperor Gatekeepers of what will sit on the comic shelves and what won't.

I would absolutely tell everyone under the sun "I was told I couldn't, was told I would fail, but HERE I AM LOOK AT THIS!" and announce your success to the world so others can (and they have) followed in RCM/EVS' wake where they don't need Marvel/DC to sell directly to the customers, hence the movement of Direct Sales (tesla model) for comics is working and the 12 Blue Haired lunatics on twitter HATE success.


You may call what @FROG is being as "smug" or "gloating" I call it basking in the glory of making the seemingly impossible...possible.

The impulse to do that is understandable, but extremely unwise in the long run. It'll hurt him more than it hurts them if he keeps it up.

 

[Reverend]

The impulse to do that is understandable, but extremely unwise in the long run. It'll hurt him more than it hurts them if he keeps it up.

Maybe...maybe not. Time will tell if EVS' success gets to his head and he's a one hit wonder, then I will agree with you fully that he shit the bed and his ego wrote checks his talent couldn't cash.

But if Rainbow Brute comes out in 2020 and it's of the same quality as CyberFrog, EVS is 2/2 and he can keep shoving the SJW's face in his success. I know both myself and @Adamska are wondering about that project.

@FROG you doing 1 book a year or 2?

 

[StringyLeeds]

I'd do the same thing as EVS did. I'd tell the entire world "Fuck you, I did it on my own and YOU can too!"

Richard was doing that already, and he has already produced 3 books that are all longer than Bloodhoney with the ashcan .

You may call what @FROG is being as "smug" or "gloating"

That's exactly what I would call it. His priorities are fucked, as well. It seems like he doesn't want to make comics, and he'd much rather make shitty videos about baby yoda and Star Wars in general.

I call it basking in the glory of making the seemingly impossible...possible.

I cried a little. Very inspiring, faggot. Ethan needs to put out more books and stop acting like a self-absorbed tool before he can bask in any glory.