🤝 Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

Does she think that if she prays hard enough, God will come down from the heavens and give her son a brand new brain?
Yes.

And if they have enough people at the prayer circle.

And if the hospital gives her son 100% oxygen and a IV of vitamin C.

Seriously.


Maybe they will ship him to Guatemala so he will get a tracheotomy and he’ll spend a month on one of the two public donated ventilators. The people of Guatemala will pay for it with their taxes (and a few with their lives because no ventilator was available when they needed it for a brief period). Then the family will submit false statements to a US hospital and he’ll be disconnected soon after arrival because ... it’s a ventilated corpse.

And yes, this has happened before with the same people the mom is working with, aka Terri Schiavo family.
 
Yes.

And if they have enough people at the prayer circle.

And if the hospital gives her son 100% oxygen and a IV of vitamin C.

Seriously.


Maybe they will ship him to Guatemala so he will get a tracheotomy and he’ll spend a month on one of the two public donated ventilators. The people of Guatemala will pay for it with their taxes (and a few with their lives because no ventilator was available when they needed it for a brief period). Then the family will submit false statements to a US hospital and he’ll be disconnected soon after arrival because ... it’s a ventilated corpse.

And yes, this has happened before with the same people the mom is working with, aka Terri Schiavo family.

What’s really scary is how common this could become. An average mom who’s child suddenly suffers a catastrophic incident and is brain dead is super traumatic. It’s really common to grasp at straws and go into denial in the initial aftermath. In the past, medical professionals, counselors and chaplains at the hospital could help them understand the futility of keeping a brain dead body on life support over the course of a few days.

But now, they can dig deep into denial and instantly find an entire crowd of looney twats online to feed them delusions of recovery, quack cures and healing prayer circles to fuel their fantasies about a brain dead body making a miraculous recovery.
 
What’s really scary is how common this could become. An average mom who’s child suddenly suffers a catastrophic incident and is brain dead is super traumatic. It’s really common to grasp at straws and go into denial in the initial aftermath. In the past, medical professionals, counselors and chaplains at the hospital could help them understand the futility of keeping a brain dead body on life support over the course of a few days.

But now, they can dig deep into denial and instantly find an entire crowd of looney twats online to feed them delusions of recovery, quack cures and healing prayer circles to fuel their fantasies about a brain dead body making a miraculous recovery.
There is now a dedicated cult of this idiocy that flood families with information when this happens now.

Thaddeus Pope follows this nonsense and has reported that it has become a major issue for hospitals. Even worse is that some courts/legislators have changed laws. There are now mostly kids being cared for at acute care facilities.

Some of these kids don’t meet the criteria for brain death, and weren’t declared brain dead, but the families were advised to discontinue extreme measures. The families still believe they will recover.
 
It is so much worse than just using up medical resources on a futile case. That kid's organs could save at least 5 other people's kids easily, kids that still have personalities because they aren't brain dead. Instead, his mom decided that keeping his body warm & breathing in a facility somewhere is more important than those other children. Those organs may not be good anymore when he finally kicks the bucket. What a selfish bitch.
 
It's not just the matter of wasting resources. If they would just let their kids pass on, they could go through the grieving process and get on with their life. By refusing to accept the inevitable, they're basically trapping themselves in a limbo of where they'll never be able to move on.
 
It's not just the matter of wasting resources. If they would just let their kids pass on, they could go through the grieving process and get on with their life. By refusing to accept the inevitable, they're basically trapping themselves in a limbo of where they'll never be able to move on.

This. I do have sympathy for this mother. She apparently had a healthy 14 year old son, except for the asthma. I'm sure watching her child die in front of her was horrific x10000. It only happened about 10 days ago so I have hope that maybe she will back down from this nonsense in the coming weeks after the shock wears off some. This all could be the effect of being crazy due to grief and shock. It's a sad path to go down keeping a vigil for a body, never being able to truly mourn a lost child because you can't let go of his body. But damn, she's not had a lot of time to process it all before the vultures swooped in and made her part of the anti-brain death agenda.
 
There is now a dedicated cult of this idiocy that flood families with information when this happens now.

Thaddeus Pope follows this nonsense and has reported that it has become a major issue for hospitals. Even worse is that some courts/legislators have changed laws. There are now mostly kids being cared for at acute care facilities.

Some of these kids don’t meet the criteria for brain death, and weren’t declared brain dead, but the families were advised to discontinue extreme measures. The families still believe they will recover.

There should be special potato hospitals so hospitals taking care of actual humans don't have to put up with this fucking harassment from mental cases.
 
This. I do have sympathy for this mother. She apparently had a healthy 14 year old son, except for the asthma. I'm sure watching her child die in front of her was horrific x10000. It only happened about 10 days ago so I have hope that maybe she will back down from this nonsense in the coming weeks after the shock wears off some. This all could be the effect of being crazy due to grief and shock. It's a sad path to go down keeping a vigil for a body, never being able to truly mourn a lost child because you can't let go of his body. But damn, she's not had a lot of time to process it all before the vultures swooped in and made her part of the anti-brain death agenda.
I definitely feel bad for the mom. She performed CPR on her son for awhile until emergency services arrived. When I read her posts, it looks like the normal grieving process at the beginning. The problem was that she kept being told by so many individuals that he was going to get better.

They kept giving story after story of people recovering. Many were complete recoveries, and a few note brain damage. But I don’t believe any of these stories are about real situations where someone was misdiagnosed as brain dead, where the actual valid test was performed.

I do find it very interesting that the pastor was not allowed into the PICU. I wonder if the pastor did something.



Update: Dr Paul Byrne and his minions are now involved.

It’s not surprising at all by the comments the mother and family members were making.

Basically, they are anti-organ donation. They are pro-life extremists. They say brain death is a fraud/hoax.

Most members/followers are part of a separate sect of Catholics. One of their goals is to reform health care, because health care became corrupt when abortion (and organ donation) became legal. Health care needs to be bankrupted so a whole new and pure system can be created.


 
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I always find it odd when modern, super-religious people who actually believe in an afterlife and eternal life and heaven and all that jazz, are the exact same ones who lose their shit and refuse to accept it when someone actually dies.

It's almost like the belief system is a well-developed form of overcompensation for their fear of death that, when push comes to shove, doesn't even work. If you actually believed someone went to a 'better place' as a physical reality and not simply a comforting metaphor, you'd deal with death a whole lot better whether it was a baby or an old person. Social media is the worst for encouraging the worst instincts of these people, who can seemingly attract a mob of useless malcontents to scream outside a hospital in no time.

It really is a symptom of increasing pussification and total inability to deal with the facts of life though, which include death being something that comes to us all, with no way of telling when or where, the way people try to hang onto the dead these days. Literally hanging onto a braindead, rotting shell, insisting they be kept alive for years on end, with zero dignity to the dead or themselves or thought for the resources they are hogging, or even the endless pain they are putting themselves through by delaying the inevitable and putting life on hold often for years to engage in these histrionic legal pantomimes.

People as little as 100 years ago, lacking even life support machinary to keep a dead person 'breathing' , had many, many strict rituals regarding death to ease people socially, spiritually and emotionally through the inevitable, most of which have been lost and sometimes replaced with this kind of hysterical denial syndrome, pick and mix spirituality or simply a total inability to process death at all which leads to all kinds of bad shit. Death back then was way, way, more common when it came to children and you could reasonably expect to be bereaved of at least one child before age five if not ALL of them if you were unlucky. When people say it's not natural for a child to die before a parent they are ignoring teh fact it was the norm until very, very recently and in some benighted parts of the world, still is. I've seen grave sites from the early 20th century where people lost five or six children in a row, all before the age of two. Back in the day, religion was supposed to soothe the shock, make some kind of sense of your loss, give you rituals to move you along the grieving process and allow life to continue. Now it seems as if religion is too often used to deny the existence of death even on the physical plane.
 
As much as this parent much like mama nails is just hogging resources that a person will actual chance of recovery needs a little actual social support these parents receive will Diminish over time I wonder if the parents will put the child in a brain injury recovery centre or will take them home the downside of taking them home is you have to smell the rot. If they are put in a brain injury recovery centre what level of involvement will parents have long term will their corpse just be in a non personalised room while the parents wait for news of nitro logically recovery at a level that means that they will get reinvolved

Also worth noting is the fact the care these corpses revived is meant for pregnant woman so that they can give birth to the baby and then are switched off
 
As much as this parent much like mama nails is just hogging resources that a person will actual chance of recovery needs a little actual social support these parents receive will Diminish over time I wonder if the parents will put the child in a brain injury recovery centre or will take them home the downside of taking them home is you have to smell the rot. If they are put in a brain injury recovery centre what level of involvement will parents have long term will their corpse just be in a non personalised room while the parents wait for news of nitro logically recovery at a level that means that they will get reinvolved

Also worth noting is the fact the care these corpses revived is meant for pregnant woman so that they can give birth to the baby and then are switched off

...huh?...I don’t think Google Translate is your friend
 
As much as this parent much like mama nails is just hogging resources that a person will actual chance of recovery needs a little actual social support these parents receive will Diminish over time I wonder if the parents will put the child in a brain injury recovery centre or will take them home the downside of taking them home is you have to smell the rot. If they are put in a brain injury recovery centre what level of involvement will parents have long term will their corpse just be in a non personalised room while the parents wait for news of nitro logically recovery at a level that means that they will get reinvolved

Also worth noting is the fact the care these corpses revived is meant for pregnant woman so that they can give birth to the baby and then are switched off
It sounds like she doesn't want to bring him home and is looking for an LTAC that will play make-believe with a corpse for her. So either she knows there's no chance of recovery doesn't want to deal with the corpse (whether that mean keeping it partially-animated at home or pulling the plug), or she feels the child is alive with a chance of recovery and will receive better care at a facility.

Which is probably not true. Granted I don't know much about this shit but I can't imagine a corpse with no chance of recovery is going to get the closest of care and observation at a home. Like you suggest, it's just going to end up with them gradually forgetting he even exists and just wasting resources that could be used by someone with a chance to survive, until some infection inevitably ends the charade.

I really do feel bad for some of these women. They get themselves involved with these right to life groups when there's still a glimmer in their hearts that their child will recover. But even if they truly know the kid is gone, 0 chance of recovery, there will be no happy ending here and they are just keeping a corpse on machines until it breaks down too much to even give the vaguest artificial life signs, they've backed themselves into a proverbial corner. You can't turn around from "my baby isn't dead Jesus will save him!" to "my baby has died, this is just an empty vessel, and I'm not going to desecrate his body and besmirch his memory by keeping up this charade." Pulling the plug will cause an immediate, severe backlash and the last thing any grieving mother wants is a bunch of screeching fundies accusing her of murdering her own kid. Those fuckers are absolutely vicious when they think they're right and would have no problem tearing this woman to shreds if she decides to remove the ventilator now.
 
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Considering how the court system is its insane she got an order to go through that fast.
Sad thing is she was in a normal part of grief and now she will never process that portion of grief and this will probably end up being like that other thread here (Mama Nails?).
 
I always find it odd when modern, super-religious people who actually believe in an afterlife and eternal life and heaven and all that jazz, are the exact same ones who lose their shit and refuse to accept it when someone actually dies.

It's almost like the belief system is a well-developed form of overcompensation for their fear of death that, when push comes to shove, doesn't even work. If you actually believed someone went to a 'better place' as a physical reality and not simply a comforting metaphor, you'd deal with death a whole lot better whether it was a baby or an old person. Social media is the worst for encouraging the worst instincts of these people, who can seemingly attract a mob of useless malcontents to scream outside a hospital in no time.

It really is a symptom of increasing pussification and total inability to deal with the facts of life though, which include death being something that comes to us all, with no way of telling when or where, the way people try to hang onto the dead these days. Literally hanging onto a braindead, rotting shell, insisting they be kept alive for years on end, with zero dignity to the dead or themselves or thought for the resources they are hogging, or even the endless pain they are putting themselves through by delaying the inevitable and putting life on hold often for years to engage in these histrionic legal pantomimes.

People as little as 100 years ago, lacking even life support machinary to keep a dead person 'breathing' , had many, many strict rituals regarding death to ease people socially, spiritually and emotionally through the inevitable, most of which have been lost and sometimes replaced with this kind of hysterical denial syndrome, pick and mix spirituality or simply a total inability to process death at all which leads to all kinds of bad shit. Death back then was way, way, more common when it came to children and you could reasonably expect to be bereaved of at least one child before age five if not ALL of them if you were unlucky. When people say it's not natural for a child to die before a parent they are ignoring teh fact it was the norm until very, very recently and in some benighted parts of the world, still is. I've seen grave sites from the early 20th century where people lost five or six children in a row, all before the age of two. Back in the day, religion was supposed to soothe the shock, make some kind of sense of your loss, give you rituals to move you along the grieving process and allow life to continue. Now it seems as if religion is too often used to deny the existence of death even on the physical plane.

I know a couple of individuals that have had children die. They coped really well all things considered. I believe one of them donated her son’s organs too.

What I have witnessed on news articles and on their social media is that they received some backlash about their children’s deaths. All of it was unreasonable and insane.

When I think of it now, the negative posts seemed to stop for one after she started posting artistic type photos of nature and making posts about grief. For that individual, some of the problem people appeared to be part of the anti-vaccination cult.

As much as this parent much like mama nails is just hogging resources that a person will actual chance of recovery needs a little actual social support these parents receive will Diminish over time I wonder if the parents will put the child in a brain injury recovery centre or will take them home the downside of taking them home is you have to smell the rot. If they are put in a brain injury recovery centre what level of involvement will parents have long term will their corpse just be in a non personalised room while the parents wait for news of nitro logically recovery at a level that means that they will get reinvolved

Also worth noting is the fact the care these corpses revived is meant for pregnant woman so that they can give birth to the baby and then are switched off
...huh?...I don’t think Google Translate is your friend
She’s referring to the mother (mama nails aka Latasha Winkfield) of Jahi McMath.

There are care facilities in New Jersey that can care for brain dead individuals, and individuals that only have a functioning brain stem.

The current methods used to keep a brain dead body functioning was created for two reasons. The first reason is to keep the organs in good condition until the individuals, who will receive the organs, can arrive to the hospital. The second reason is in cases where the brain dead individual is pregnant and it would be better for the baby to be carried a little longer.
 
I definitely feel bad for the mom. She performed CPR on her son for awhile until emergency services arrived. When I read her posts, it looks like the normal grieving process at the beginning. The problem was that she kept being told by so many individuals that he was going to get better.

They kept giving story after story of people recovering. Many were complete recoveries, and a few note brain damage. But I don’t believe any of these stories are about real situations where someone was misdiagnosed as brain dead, where the actual valid test was performed.

I do find it very interesting that the pastor was not allowed into the PICU. I wonder if the pastor did something.



Update: Dr Paul Byrne and his minions are now involved.

It’s not surprising at all by the comments the mother and family members were making.

Basically, they are anti-organ donation. They are pro-life extremists. They say brain death is a fraud/hoax.

Most members/followers are part of a separate sect of Catholics. One of their goals is to reform health care, because health care became corrupt when abortion (and organ donation) became legal. Health care needs to be bankrupted so a whole new and pure system can be created.


The craziest part about these folks is that they hate the healthcare system, but without it the tater would be gone...by GOD'S will. So, it's only God's will when convenient. And, don't get me started on being against organ donation. Really pro-life, much humanity.
 
The craziest part about these folks is that they hate the healthcare system, but without it the tater would be gone...by GOD'S will. So, it's only God's will when convenient. And, don't get me started on being against organ donation. Really pro-life, much humanity.

I’ve been looking at the Facebook group periodically today and it’s been a dumpster fire at times. I’ve seen this before but not usually this openly, nor as many posts.

Certain activists are attacking families where a member has died & donated organs, & individuals that have received organs.

I’m kind of wondering if I should start tracking the extreme “true believers” again. I think some in the fringe sect believe that those who have donated organs can’t be resurrected.

I forget if I’ve posted the following before, but this is from their website where they discuss medicide and abortionization.
http://archive.today/2019.10.01-014...executive-director-life-needs-a-healing-hand/
 
I definitely feel bad for the mom. She performed CPR on her son for awhile until emergency services arrived. When I read her posts, it looks like the normal grieving process at the beginning. The problem was that she kept being told by so many individuals that he was going to get better.

They kept giving story after story of people recovering. Many were complete recoveries, and a few note brain damage. But I don’t believe any of these stories are about real situations where someone was misdiagnosed as brain dead, where the actual valid test was performed.

I do find it very interesting that the pastor was not allowed into the PICU. I wonder if the pastor did something.



Update: Dr Paul Byrne and his minions are now involved.

It’s not surprising at all by the comments the mother and family members were making.

Basically, they are anti-organ donation. They are pro-life extremists. They say brain death is a fraud/hoax.

Most members/followers are part of a separate sect of Catholics. One of their goals is to reform health care, because health care became corrupt when abortion (and organ donation) became legal. Health care needs to be bankrupted so a whole new and pure system can be created.



Another Jahi McMath. Here we go again.*sigh*

It's really tragic. But brain death is death. Something needs to be done to stop people from being allowed to linger braindead on ventilators for years at a time.

Jesus is not going to heal your son. The more this is allowed to go on the harder it is.
 
Another Jahi McMath. Here we go again.*sigh*

It's really tragic. But brain death is death. Something needs to be done to stop people from being allowed to linger braindead on ventilators for years at a time.

Jesus is not going to heal your son. The more this is allowed to go on the harder it is.

Unfortunately, there have been several cases happening but they haven’t achieved that much attention. I think the timing of this case, and having the “perfect target”, is why this case has achieved so much attention. There was a recent case where a young guy (adult) died (brain dead) of an overdose. Ruben Vati was a registered organ donor, but his family went to court and insisted that he changed his mind.

In the end, the court ruled that his stated wishes to be an organ donor would be respected. The court also revealed that there were also five individuals that were matches for his organs.

I have been seeing comments on the Save Bobby page where people think this is the same individual. It’s really weird.

So if you see anyone saying Bobby was doing drugs, the poster is thinking of someone else. It can be extra confusing because the mom follows a pastor that runs a drug rehabilitation program. One site says he has a methadone program whereas others say he doesn’t. Anyways, I’m trying to figure out that pastor because he’s being really weird.
 
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