🐱 YouTube looks to demonetization as punishment for major creators, but it doesn’t work

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When YouTube wanted to punish political pundit Steven Crowder amid widespread outcry over his homophobic comments, its first move was to disable Crowder’s ability to run ads on his videos. The punishment was meant to revoke a key source of income, presenting a strong incentive for Crowder to change his behavior. But Crowder didn’t care, “This really isn’t that big of a ding for us,” he said.

Crowder sells T-shirts, hats, stickers, and subscriptions for more videos through his website, which is where he’s indicated most of his channel’s money comes from. Selling merchandise and subscriptions through other platforms isn’t just a way for creators to make more money, it’s also a way for creators to insulate themselves from YouTube’s ever-mercurial rules and algorithms. And it means that if a creator’s ads are cut off for whatever reason, they’ll still have a source of revenue.

Creators have realized that “YouTube can do whatever the hell they want to,” Wyatt Jenkins, Patreon’s VP of product, told The Verge. Because of that, they’ve started looking for ways to establish other relationships with their viewers. “They’re like, ‘If I’m going to make a run at this and do this for a living, I should probably have my best fans in my world.’”

Taking away a channel’s ability to run ads is supposed to send a message that YouTube is punishing creators who severely step out of line. The company stated as much in a June 5th blog post, reiterating that channels repeatedly brushing up “against our hate speech policies will be suspended from the YouTube Partner program, meaning they can’t run ads on their channel.” Creators also won’t be able to use alternative monetization techniques like Super Chat or channel memberships, according to YouTube.

For up-and-coming YouTubers reliant on that revenue, it can pose a huge problem. Many people just entering YouTube’s Partner Program, a threshold that signifies a creator can start earning ad revenue, may rely on that advertising money as they start their career. Channels that face day-to-day monetization issues, one of the biggest issues within the community, are struggling to understand what works and what doesn’t. But for larger creators, who still keep their ability to reach a huge number of subscribers, the punishment doesn’t necessarily accomplish YouTube’s goals.

Established creators — like Crowder, who reaches more than 4 million people — often have a large audience ready to buy products, significantly lessening the severity of the punishment. When YouTube cracked down on gun videos last year and removed ads from a number of channels, many of those channels circumvented the impact by signing sponsorship deals or starting Patreon accounts, allowing them to continue exactly what they’d been doing before.

YouTube isn’t likely to ban high-profile channels, either. If a channel’s content is borderline, meaning that it doesn’t violate YouTube’s rules but is considered harmful, moderators will allow videos to remain up. Demonetizing a channel’s videos allows YouTube to appear to have taken a strong action, even if that action isn’t always effective.

Relying on ad revenue alone is difficult, Felix “PewDiePie” Kjellberg said in a video about YouTube ads last year. “It’s inefficient, it’s unstable, and an insecure revenue model,” according to YouTube’s biggest creator. Most YouTube creators “don’t sustain themselves on ad revenue,” Kjellberg said.

Merchandise and subscription services on third-party websites are key to being a full-time YouTube creator in 2019. Major YouTube stars including Jake Paul, James Charles, Emma Chamberlain, and David Dobrik have established entire secondary businesses off merchandise sales.

Some creators, like Dobrik, invested heavily in creating a merchandise line so that they could continue publishing edgy footage that might make advertisers uncomfortable. Others were just worried about another “adpocalypse,” a term used within the community to talk advertisers into pausing spending on YouTube after controversial events. Dobrik’s merch line has been so successful that a two-day pop up shop in New York’s Tribeca district earlier this year sold out both days.

YouTube’s ad policy changes have forced creators over the last several years to find new monetization methods regardless, making YouTube’s threat of removing ads even less of a punishment. Carlos Maza, the Vox host who Crowder targeted with homophobic slurs, pointed out that YouTube’s punishment doesn’t stop Crowder from using his YouTube channel as a way to sell products and expand his audience. (The Verge is part of Vox Media, which also owns Vox.)

“YouTube gave bigots a greenlight to mock LGBT people and people of color, and continues helping those bigots by finding them new followers to sell merch to,” Maza tweeted on June 8th. “It’s not negligent, it’s actively aiding in the spread of bigotry.”

Crowder is well aware of this dynamic. He’s gloated over a major increase in membership subscriptions since the incident with Maza began, saying that Maza sold “more mug club memberships than anyone in the history of the company.”

“Demonetizing doesn’t work,” Maza tweeted after YouTube’s decision. “Abusers use it as proof they’re being ‘discriminated’ against. Then they make millions off of selling merch, doing speaking gigs, and getting their followers to support them on Patreon. The ad revenue isn’t the problem. It’s the platform.”

Patreon has become a hub for creators looking to spread out their income opportunities. Creators like Philip DeFranco, a popular YouTube commentator, and Kinda Funny, a collective of gaming personalities and comedians, earn an estimated additional $50,000 a month on Patreon. They also retain 90 percent of that income, with Patreon taking a 10 percent cut. This is more than the 60 / 40 cut creators get on YouTube.

But having access to a powerful tool like Patreon means creators must abide by the company’s strong moderation policies. Jenkins told The Verge that unlike competitors like YouTube, Patreon doesn’t believe in allowing its members to sell anything they like under the guise of “free speech.” The result is losing “some folks who are in that free speech cohort,” according to Jenkins, but that’s a decision the company made some time ago and has stuck to.

“When a creator crosses the line into excluding exhorts of people, like the way I would argue that Jordan Peterson or someone else does, they’re going to cross the line,” Jenkins said. “That’s the boundary that we’ve created. There are a number of folks who aren’t on Patreon anymore for those reasons.”

Patreon’s business has continued to grow at a steady rate over the last few years, even while taking a firm stance on moderation. Patreon has banned creators who are using its services to sell products or create content that is harmful or hateful in any way. For those who can work within the company’s guidelines, it allows them a financial freedom that makes YouTube demonetization nearly useless.

Advertisements are still core to monetization for most YouTubers, and it’s clear the company still sees revoking ad privileges as a form of moderation. But Crowder’s response to the situation shows that demonetization is not the same as moderation, especially for the biggest creators on the platform.
 
I had written Crowder off as a dumb schmuck years ago, but since the whinehard brigade brought his thing into the light, I saw how he's evolved. He's a funny performer, and he has a legit staff behind him, fact checking and writing skits and jokes. To think I would have just considered him a buffoon if he hadn't called that lispy queer a lispy queer...
 
studies have been done that show our brains perceive challenges to our political views the same as physical threats to our safety

while the idea is probable that people like hearing agreement with what they already-formed opinions, the study you point out is a sampling of leftists in the LA area and USC students, numbering ninety-eight (98) participants with sixteen (16) statements (only half of which were political in nature) for a period of several minutes.

this is not a representative sampling in any possible stretch of the imagination and should only be used as part of a larger statement of research with either larger samplings in each group of participants, grossly increased and randomized statements for longer periods of time, or the entire study being sampled with the same size of groups in multiple unaffiliated areas that do not share local demographics (and demographics of USC and LA county are pretty left leaning if they mean the surroundings like Burbank or Covina. you aren't hitting anything "right leaning" in voters until Long Beach or Anaheim.

 
a tard called Maza dijo:
“Demonetizing doesn’t work,” Maza tweeted after YouTube’s decision. “Abusers use it as proof they’re being ‘discriminated’ against. Then they make millions off of selling merch, doing speaking gigs, and getting their followers to support them on Patreon. The ad revenue isn’t the problem. It’s the platform.”
How is this news to you dumbass? I'm no expert but I'm pretty certain any controversial creator of any art form can tell you that trying label something as dangerous only makes people want to watch it more, and shocker, it's proving true again.

>owning a Steven Crowder t-shirt

The absolute state of the internet.
Everyone has a t-shirt nowadays, hardly concerning, now if they have a Steven Crowder mug? THAT'S when you have to start worrying.

you have no idea how stupid normalfags are.
Also there's people like me that just choose not to get it because they don't care about some five second ads.
 
While I agree with this post, I think in terms of Youtube, it should not be forgotten, that YT is a monopoly. Even when you're unhappy with how they run things, you don't really have an alternative.
Throwing out "undesirables" could, however, threaten that situation if a competitor arises that will attract mainstream attention for allowing different content. It's easier said than done, though, since every platform that caters to the "undesirables" will face the threat of becoming a hub for loonies and extremists.

So, if Youtube pisses off enough fans and (for instance) bans channels like Mauler or Doomcock for making fun of Disney or banning Forgotten Weapons or Hickok45 due to some stupid anti-NRA stance and these people end up at a different platform, that might be the turning point.

Me personally, I hope the Pornhub guys will start their own porn-free competition to Youtube at some point.

The only way YouTube is going to enforce their censorship is actually harsh censorship. As in, outright. Making videos unsearchable, banning people off the platform. Most people are already de-monetized or make so little ad revenue they don't even fucking bother anymore. They just turn ads off and make money by doing merch and shit.

The first adpocalypse prepared people. The second one made people realize ad revenue doesn't matter and google can pull it. People are starting to use Streamlabs for Superchats so YouTube can't hold their money.

YouTube already wants to be network television. Milquetoast, boring and for boomers. The problem is that they waited far, far too late to starve the people out. People have been finding alternative ways to survive on the platform. Google's only recourse now is to basically violate 203 even harder. There is simply no other way to get 'problematic' creators off now.

Even colluding with Patreon isn't viable anymore, as you've got Dick's New Project 2 and Subscribe Star. I think we're going to see Google get more and more aggressive, especially in the run-up to 2020. They could also pull underhanded shit like throttling certain videos or make them have 'technical glitches' or just start unsubscribing people automatically or secretly disable notifications for live-streams and uploaded videos even though people clicked the bell.

Google, Twitter and Facebook are clearly pushing an agenda. These aren't simple robber baron monopolies like Microsoft was. These are active ideological technocrats trying to force their view of the world on people and manipulate ideas. The problem is that these platforms are so expensive to run that YouTube holds all the keys to the kingdom. Everybody hates it, but angel investors aren't going to give a penny to a free speech platform that allows you to say 'there are only 2 genders' without getting instantly banned.

How is this news to you dumbass? I'm no expert but I'm pretty certain any controversial creator of any art form can tell you that trying label something as dangerous only makes people want to watch it more, and shocker, it's proving true again.


Everyone has a t-shirt nowadays, hardly concerning, now if they have a Steven Crowder mug? THAT'S when you have to start worrying.


Also there's people like me that just choose not to get it because they don't care about some five second ads.

Maza's a huge pussy and an absolute dumbfuck. He doesn't understand people, and think if you take away access to an idea, it no longer exists. People are going to go looking for what they want. You aren't going to stop them. You can make it as difficult as you want. You will just reinforce those ideas among circles of people and use other platforms to hide from you, and then when your 'right side of history' gets fucking massacred in the polls, you wonder where it came from. You eliminated all the problematic people, why aren't they going away? Oh, that's right, you're a fucking infant and haven't developed object permanence yet, you absolute fucking child.
 
Unfortunately I think we're moving towards a world in which these alternative revenue streams will be cut off. We've seen coordinated attempts to in-person undesirables already - and I'm sure that will become the norm once we inevitably get real id.
 
I think we're going to see Google get more and more aggressive, especially in the run-up to 2020. They could also pull underhanded shit like throttling certain videos or make them have 'technical glitches' or just start unsubscribing people automatically or secretly disable notifications for live-streams and uploaded videos even though people clicked the bell.
Didn't YouTube already unsubscribe people from controversial content creators?
 
Unfortunately I think we're moving towards a world in which these alternative revenue streams will be cut off. We've seen coordinated attempts to in-person undesirables already - and I'm sure that will become the norm once we inevitably get real id.
Well crypto cant be banned. to many stupid banks and hedgefonds invested into it.
 
Even colluding with Patreon isn't viable anymore, as you've got Dick's New Project 2 and Subscribe Star. I think we're going to see Google get more and more aggressive, especially in the run-up to 2020. They could also pull underhanded shit like throttling certain videos or make them have 'technical glitches' or just start unsubscribing people automatically or secretly disable notifications for live-streams and uploaded videos even though people clicked the bell.

I wish I could remember the source for it off the top of my head, but someone dug up information that Youtube had been throttling Crowder's livestreams for a good long while now. I suppose (for now) - enjoy some hearsay unless I luck back into finding the source.

Google, Twitter and Facebook are clearly pushing an agenda. These aren't simple robber baron monopolies like Microsoft was. These are active ideological technocrats trying to force their view of the world on people and manipulate ideas. The problem is that these platforms are so expensive to run that YouTube holds all the keys to the kingdom. Everybody hates it, but angel investors aren't going to give a penny to a free speech platform that allows you to say 'there are only 2 genders' without getting instantly banned.

Another thing playing in Youtube/Google's favor is that any alternative site that starts up is just going to attract the more extreme elements looong before attracting anything mainstream.

Take BitChute, for example: I believe Styx is actually doing incredibly well on BitChute (and even then, let's not pretend Styx is remotely mainstream). However - I dunno if you've tried slogging through BitChute just to see the content available, but it's not the sort of content that's going to attract a larger more mainstream audience anytime soon.

Why switch off the mainstream platform if you don't actually have to? Etc, etc.

Maza's a huge pussy and an absolute dumbfuck. He doesn't understand people, and think if you take away access to an idea, it no longer exists. People are going to go looking for what they want. You aren't going to stop them. You can make it as difficult as you want. You will just reinforce those ideas among circles of people and use other platforms to hide from you, and then when your 'right side of history' gets fucking massacred in the polls, you wonder where it came from. You eliminated all the problematic people, why aren't they going away? Oh, that's right, you're a fucking infant and haven't developed object permanence yet, you absolute fucking child.

In light of this, I propose we find a new way to make fun of him: If Maza was a food dish, what would he look like?
 
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