Law Charlottesville’s Confederate statues are war monuments: judge - They cannot be removed. Almost like we have a legal process for solving contentious issues

Virginia circuit court has ruled the monuments at the center of the riots in Charlotesville are monuments of war and thus protected by state law. The city acted improperly in their removal and must return them to their place.




Statues in Charlottesville of Confederate generals Robert E. Lee and Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson are war monuments protected by state law, a Virginia judge has ruled.

The decision comes nearly two years after three people were killed at the “Unite the Right” white nationalist rallyafter the city of Charlottesville voted to remove the statue of Lee.

Circuit Court Judge Richard E. Moore said the way the statues made people feel did not change the fact they paid homage to the Civil War heroes.

“While some people obviously see Lee and Jackson as symbols of white supremacy, others see them as brilliant military tacticians or complex leaders in a difficult time,” Moore claimed in his ruling, as reported by the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

“I believe that the defendants confused and conflated what the statues are with the intentions of motivations of some involved in erecting them.”

In the nine-page decision, Moore also ruled it was illegal for municipalities to remove the statues without permission from the state.

The decision strikes a major blow to the Charlottesville City Council who voted to remove the statue of Lee in early 2017.

Former city official Don Gathers, who served as chair of the commission that first called for the statues to be relocated, disagreed with Moore’s ruling.

“Just because something is legal, doesn’t mean it’s right or it’s moral,” Gathers told CNN. “I’m fearful what this has done is given the vile evilness that descended upon us in August of 2017 to come back.”

Protester Heather Heyer, 32, was killed and 19 more were injured when a man drove his car into the meeting of white nationalists and right-wing groups in Charlottesville in August 2017.

Two Virginia patrol troopers were also killed in a helicopter crash while assisting in public safety efforts.

The city covered the statues of Lee and Jackson with black tarps while it mourned the three deaths but Moore in February 2018 ruled they had to be removed.
 
They are going to appeal. But they will be smacked down hard. Virginia is autistic about its history. It's why there are laws protecting it in the first place. There is no way in hell the Virginia Supreme Court is going to overrule this. What the Charlotesville city council tried to do was a flagrant violation of State law.

City governments can't overrule state law. Period. This is the case in, so far as I know, every single state.

This is even stronger than the Supremacy Clause, by which the Constitution and federal law are supreme over state law.

By comparison, state legislatures could outright abolish city and county governments at will, or even abolish the cities or counties themselves. The federal government can't do that to states at all, and there are limits to what federal law can do.
 
To tell you the truth I don't even agree with the ideas that the former Confederacy stood for but I never want these things erased just because of a bunch of dumbshits that think erasing all traces of a dark history will somehow make society less racist and then call for violence towards whites in all because the politics of the unhinge left think racism towards white people is somehow okay.

These statues and other things of the Confederacy should be preserved to remind people of a dark history that should not repeat itself again or else we'll end up seeing history repeat itself. As clichéd as it may sound, those who forget history are doomed to repeat it time and time again
 
To tell you the truth I don't even agree with the ideas that the former Confederacy stood for but I never want these things erased just because of a bunch of dumbshits that think erasing all traces of a dark history will somehow make society less racist and then call for violence towards whites in all because the politics of the unhinge left think racism towards white people is somehow okay.

These statues and other things of the Confederacy should be preserved to remind people of a dark history that should not repeat itself again or else we'll end up seeing history repeat itself. As clichéd as it may sound, those who forget history are doomed to repeat it time and time again
the confederacy isn't a 'dark history', you sperg. Fuck off
 
the confederacy isn't a 'dark history', you sperg. Fuck off
Well like it or not, the Confederacy was one of the main reasons why black people faced a lot of discrimination even after the American Civil War was over and among other things too.

But with that said, all I'm pretty much saying that I think that these statues should be preserved as a reminder of all of the shit that happened at the time. Being a racist towards black people is bad but being an overweight SJW tub of lard that thinks being racist towards white people is somehow okay makes them no different from those slave owners or the shitheads that murdered Emmett Till and shit.

I mean take a good look at the unhinged left now. They don't seem to have that much of a problem with having whites being discriminated all because of the really stupid 'woke' politics and for a bunch of people that claim they want racial discrimination to end they sure seem to have no problem emulating many of the same tactics that many before them such as the the KKK once used to try to suppress the Civil Rights Movement at the time. The roles have simply been reversed as I see it in this day and age.

This is reality whether you like it or not.
 
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Well like it or not, the Confederacy was one of the main reasons why black people faced a lot of discrimination even after the American Civil War was over and among other things too.

But with that said, all I'm pretty much saying that I think that these statues should be preserved as a reminder of all of the shit that happened at the time. Being a racist towards black people is bad but being an overweight SJW tub of lard that thinks being racist towards white people is somehow okay makes them no different from those slave owners or the shitheads that murdered Emmett Till and shit.

I mean look at the unhinged left now. They don't seem to have a problem with having whites being discriminated because 'woke' politics and for a bunch of people that claim they want racial discrimination to end they sure seem to have no problem emulating the same tactics that the KKK once used to try to suppress the Civil Rights Movement at the time. The roles have been reversed as I see it in this day and age.

This is reality whether you like it or not.
I see what you're saying, but you're talking to the wrong guy about black tears
 
Would you say the same thing about Lenin statues in the former Soviet Union?

I mean, even if you hate Lenin so much that you'd like to tear down his statues, it's important to remember that at one point he had enough followers to build statues of him all over the place. The statues themselves make a good reminder that his ideology isn't just some stupid meme that's not to be taken seriously, but rather people like him are a legitimate force that needs to be acted against.
 
As a Civil War history enthusiast, I am glad Virginia's courts made this ruling.

Even though my ancestors fought for the Union during the Civil War, the SJW's can fuck off.

Deo Vindice, bitches!!!

 
Good. Don't overwrite history because some people don't like it.
You bring up a good point. The progressives should be glad they lost this case. Imagine if skinheads ran around taking down monuments to the Holocaust because they found that bit of history offensive.
 
The thing about the Civil War is that it was literally a war of friend against friend, brother against brother, many on opposing sides simply out of loyalty to their birthplace or to their personal ideals of honor.

Robert E. Lee considered the cause he fought for tainted at best but chose his side because he couldn't bring himself to point his sword at his own birthplace. William T. Sherman admitted prior to joining the Union it would wound him to hurt the people of the South, and he honestly thought slavery was worth keeping around if he didn't have to kill Southern friends by keeping it around, but he was loyal to his country first and foremost, and put his feelings on park to execute his duties as a soldier to his country, though he was as magnanimous as he could be in victory because he didn't want the South to hold a grudge, he simply chose his side with no enmity towards the Southern people on a personal level from him, but his professional oaths were also sacred, and he honored those first.

When Lee's forces surrendered at Appomattox, Union general Joshua Chamberlain decided to honor the men on the opposite side who marched by in defeat with a salute, as despite the sides they chose, they fought each other to the best of their ability as soldiers, and he held no hatred for his enemies, only respect for them as they did as best they could against his own forces.

General Gordon of the Confederates who were saluted later found out Chamberlain got shit on by some of his own side for for this bit of dignity he gave the defeated and was deeply touched Chamberlain saw past hatred of his enemy to respect them as equals regardless.

The cause the Confederates fought for was a terrible one, and one that should never be repeated, but they still chose to put their lives on the line for it, and in defeat they died as soldiers, and even then many Union soldiers did not hate those they fought as equals.

And the point I'm getting at is that if the men who shed each other's blood could honor one another's living and dead without hatred regardless of their ideologies, there is no reason later generations cannot do the same, so statues in their honor is more than appropriate if you ask me.
 
The problem with all this shit is the autistic dipshits on both sides scream the loudest and are the only ones heard.

On one hand, southern states seceded primarily due to slavery. On the other hand, most Confederate soldiers could have given two fucks less about some rich asshole on a plantation losing his slaves -- the average southern soldier fought for his home. Both "Lost Cause" revisionists and race-baiting liberals are autistic about the war.

I'm happy to hear the court ruling. I'm totally fine with having Confederate war memorials, but you can fuck off flying the Stars and Bars from government buildings. Regardless of why the south seceded, they were still traitors to the Union and their flag shouldn't be flying over a government building.
 
Well like it or not, the Confederacy was one of the main reasons why black people faced a lot of discrimination even after the American Civil War was over and among other things too.

But with that said, all I'm pretty much saying that I think that these statues should be preserved as a reminder of all of the shit that happened at the time. Being a racist towards black people is bad but being an overweight SJW tub of lard that thinks being racist towards white people is somehow okay makes them no different from those slave owners or the shitheads that murdered Emmett Till and shit.

I mean take a good look at the unhinged left now. They don't seem to have that much of a problem with having whites being discriminated all because of the really stupid 'woke' politics and for a bunch of people that claim they want racial discrimination to end they sure seem to have no problem emulating many of the same tactics that many before them such as the the KKK once used to try to suppress the Civil Rights Movement at the time. The roles have simply been reversed as I see it in this day and age.

This is reality whether you like it or not.
Haha, wow, you really believe that? The northerners hated black people too.
 
So, something erected in memory of the Civil WAR is a WAR memorial?

Who knew?

Take that you thin-skinned babies who fail to even understand the concept of history, much less respect it.

But I hate the politicians and civic leaders more for pandering to them shamelessly and not prosecuting them more fully for the vandalism they commit. Failing of the leadership class to lead and point out the folly of a mob for fear of losing mob votes is much more troubling.
 
The decision comes nearly two years after three people were killed at the “Unite the Right” white nationalist rally
Already rewriting history I see. One person was killed by a car, Heather Heyer. Two more were in a helicopter that had some kind of malfunction and crashed, which is tragic but nobody "killed" them.
 
Already rewriting history I see. One person was killed by a car, Heather Heyer. Two more were in a helicopter that had some kind of malfunction and crashed, which is tragic but nobody "killed" them.

Slight correction, the coroner's official cause of death for Heyer was listed as a heart attack so Nazis didn't even kill her, Burger King did.
 
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