UN Why are Silicon Valley billionaires starving themselves?


Twitter founder and CEO and billionaire Jack Dorsey has more money than he could ever need — but he's not acting like it. Unlike the self-made wealthy folk of years gone by, Dorsey and a growing number of top-earning tech entrepreneurs aren't swilling vintage champagne and banqueting in their free time. Instead, they're practicing an extreme form of self-denial that has me both troubled and puzzled.

Dorsey recently appeared on the Ben Greenfield Fitness podcast to explain his monkish lifestyle in more detail than the 240 character blasts he's known for sending out to the less biologically enlightened universe. He says he eats only one meal a day in the week and doesn't let any foodstuff pass his lips at the weekend. He also starts every day with an ice bath. "Nothing has given me more mental confidence than being able to go straight from room temperature into the cold," he says. And, rain or shine, he walks the five miles from his home to his office. It's all part of his ever-evolving quest to keep his brain functioning at maverick CEO level. And, I suppose, outlive anyone silly enough to think that eating regular, balanced meals is sensible.

Dorsey's wellness-hacking habits are extrapolated from the ancient Greek and Roman philosophy of Stoicism, which says, essentially, that you should be happy with your lot (arguably not hard if you have a lot) and deny yourself nice things — like warm baths and calories on days that start with the letter "s." Stoicism sounds like unscientific celebrity fad nonsense, yet it has a cult-like appeal to a demonstrably smart crew: Silicon Valley's elite.

Stoicism's aficionados include Kevin Rose, co-founder of the website Digg, who embraces the philosophy by taking cold showers, not putting on a winter coat, and saying things like, "I try to surrender to the Earth as everything unfolds around me, not judging it, but accepting things as they are." Which sounds like a lukewarm blend of meditation and shrugging.

Former Evernote CEO and current CEO of AI studio All Turtles, Phil Libin, regularly says no to food for fasts that last more than a week. He's lost nearly 90 pounds and now bandies around words like "transformative."

The man who rebooted Stoicism for today's tech moguls is author, podcaster, and tech startup investor Tim Ferriss. He calls the philosophy "an ideal operating system for thriving in high-stress environments." Maybe it is and maybe it isn't. But one thing is for sure: There's a danger in champions like Dorsey promoting extreme dietary choices that resemble eating disorders to their followers.

It's also curious, and a little chilling, that this rewrite of the tech elite lifestyle has come about at a time when powerful influencers and innovators are seeing their inventions harnessed by terrible people who do and say terrible things. In Dorsey's case, he's created a platform that has allowed populists, alt-right types, and Russian bots to spread their messages to vast new audiences, creating more chaos than he could possibly have imagined. Twitter undeniably helped make Donald Trump president and gave Britain's Brexiteers a stage. And it's used daily to mete out public shamings and takedowns. Dorsey has experienced how easy it is to create global pandemonium with a laptop and a smidgen of chutzpah.

So for the Twitter CEO and his kind, trying to control biology with low-grade torture, plus a disinterest in traditional rich-people trappings, may be a kind of self-imposed penance for having built platforms and technology that have unleashed some pretty bad things on the world. I would argue that the motivations of these super-elites are plainly not the same as those of other Silicon Valley workers, who periodically jump on fads like soylent and micro dosing. These larks have more in common with gaming or cosplay, and tie into fanboy fantasies about next-level living in a STEM world.

Stoicism is different. It asks that its followers dispense with all the sparkle, deliciousness, and fluff, and get back to humble basics. It's a sort of reverse elitism that could also, potentially, blame-proof a tech billionaire's legacy. "I may have invented Twitter," Dorsey might say. "But I walk to work and vacationed at spiritual retreats that look like refugee camps!"

Dorsey getting his monk on publicly is winning him as many detractors as fans. Still, if the negativity gets too much, at least he can come home and relax in a nice cold bath.
 
demonstrably smart crew: Silicon Valley's elite.

Twitter is and has always been a shitty service. The people who created and run it are not geniuses (especially Jack Dorsey), they just have ungodly amounts of money and foreign slave labor to throw at it.

To think that in Silicon Valley, the incubator for Western society's most rancid mental illnesses and cultural rot, unhinged hippies frolic around doing stupid shit. Shocking!
 
Twitter is and has always been a shitty service. The people who created and run it are not geniuses (especially Jack Dorsey), they just have ungodly amounts of money and foreign slave labor to throw at it.

To think that in Silicon Valley, the incubator for Western society's most rancid mental illnesses and cultural rot, unhinged hippies frolic around doing stupid shit. Shocking!

Exactly. Dorsey isn't some kind of tech genius or maverick CEO, he's a guy who runs a shit-tier messaging service and simply got lucky. Despite being valued at over 25 billion, Twatter only managed to turn a (small) profit for the first time sometime last year, until then they've been managing to piss away unbelievable sums of money running a service that only allows you to send 140 and later 180 characters at a time, and do some very basic message threading and replies. From a technology standpoint, Twitter is a glorified high school project, and the only mildly complicated part is the load balancing they probably have to do to handle the high volume of messages, but they're hardly unique in that.

The only reason anyone ever writes about this guy is that news bloggers are all addicted to the service (because shittiness attracts shittiness, I guess?) and they're too lazy to find a topic that's not in their face 8 hours a day.

TBH the most likely explanation for Dorsey's behavior is that he's been huffing his own farts for so long it gave him brain damage.
 
Being rich and successful doesn't fill the gaping hole in their soul, so they seek peace through these methods. It's not particularly weird. Most humans are emotionally fucked in some way.

Fasting for 24hrs is like doing a bunch of adderall. Its great.
And the first bite of food you take after fasting feels like an orgasm in your mouth . ?
 
Considering that even the Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius was a practitioner of stoicism in his time, it's hardly a surprise that the emperors of our age would also take up such philosophy. After all, when you have everything you can possibly imagine in material realm, what else is there left but to turn our souls towards heaven to mirror it's eternal light?

However, in my opinion, stoicism is really dull philosophy to practice.
 
Fasting for 24hrs is like doing a bunch of adderall. Its great.

Biohacking--the search for "cheat codes" for your body and brain--is also a thing that is trendy in Silicon Valley. It could be a low-key way to enter an enhanced mental state that allows you to more clearly make major decisions without having to rely on illegal drugs. Take a cold shower sometime. When your body is freezing cold, you're not ruminating about your troubles.

Of course, the fart-huffing hypothesis is also very likely too.
 
Marky Mark and (especially) his kid fucked up the empire, so I've never put much stock in Stoicism.
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This isn't true at all. Aurelius was given what was by all accounts, one of the most difficult to administrate reigns in the entire history of the empire, with two defensive wars and a foreign plague, at a period in time where the emperor was expected to lead his troops as a general. He's considered one of the five good emperors and the last one to maintain Pax Romana for a reason. Say what you will about stoicism, Marcus certainly did his duty for Rome well, even at the cost of most of the years of his life.

The real tragedy with commodus is that you had what was essentially a kid ruling an empire and dodging shanks because his whole family stands to gain from assassinating him.
 
I know people who do the whole fasting diet, carnivore diet, keto diet stuff. It's supposed improve mood and mental clarity or something. It's the same type of stuff with nofap. I don't think there's any real scientific basis for it, but they'll tell you there is.
 
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This isn't true at all. Aurelius was given what was by all accounts, one of the most difficult to administrate reigns in the entire history of the empire, with two defensive wars and a foreign plague, at a period in time where the emperor was expected to lead his troops as a general. He's considered one of the five good emperors and the last one to maintain Pax Romana for a reason. Say what you will about stoicism, Marcus certainly did his duty for Rome well, even at the cost of most of the years of his life.

The real tragedy with commodus is that you had what was essentially a kid ruling an empire and dodging shanks because his whole family stands to gain from assassinating him.
The fact remains that he failed to keep the chain going, and, whatever the case may be, he didn't figure out what needed to be figured out. Way too many excuses are made for him. He should have found a way to delegate his generalship and also should have adopted an heir instead of handing things off to his dopey son, whose character he was well aware of. He spent too much time galavanting about instead of administrating the affairs of state and succession properly which was his major duty.

"He couldn't because reasons and it was too hard" is insufficient. The empire pretty much kicked the bucket on his watch.
 
I'll just be sitting over here waiting for the Huffpo or Slate or whoever to post up how this is racist.
 
Steve Jobs spent half a decade eating only fruit and not showering and later didn't trust medical science enough that he got himself killed in his mid-50s from perfectly treatable cancer. As a result of his generosity, we've now had almost a decade free of Steve Jobs and will have at least another 20 years free of him than we would have had. I fully support Jack "village idiot" Dorsey in all his self-destructive attempts to do anything and everything different just so that he has a little bit of novelty to make himself feel important since twitter is being run by a bunch of cynical assholes who told him to go play in the saferoom and let them handle things.

I also really like the "which is the stupidest line in this article" poll and I think we should do that for a lot more of these news posts.
 
The fact remains that he failed to keep the chain going, and, whatever the case may be, he didn't figure out what needed to be figured out. Way too many excuses are made for him. He should have found a way to delegate his generalship and also should have adopted an heir instead of handing things off to his dopey son, whose character he was well aware of. He spent too much time galavanting about instead of administrating the affairs of state and succession properly which was his major duty.

"He couldn't because reasons and it was too hard" is insufficient. The empire pretty much kicked the bucket on his watch.
To think that before the internet you had to walk to the bar to hear some random dude giving advice on how Marcus Aurelius should have ruled the Roman empire.
 
Stoicism's aficionados include Kevin Rose, co-founder of the website Digg, who embraces the philosophy by taking cold showers, not putting on a winter coat, and saying things like, "I try to surrender to the Earth as everything unfolds around me, not judging it, but accepting things as they are." Which sounds like a lukewarm blend of meditation and shrugging.
I like how all these mild concessions these CEO geniuses are making are the kind that you largely can't verify or are just humble-bragging. Who knows what temperature showers you take, it's a highly private grooming ritual. Not putting on a winter coat is no great feat for someone who's raised in snow, but currently living in warm California. And meaningless platitudes are just what they sound like.

All it of sounds less like "I'm free of all worldly attachments," and more "I want you to know about my inconveniences so that the unemployed and disenfranchised libtards nearby don't publicly hang me in a fit of socialist rage when they think about the size of my house."
 
All it of sounds less like "I'm free of all worldly attachments," and more "I want you to know about my inconveniences so that the unemployed and disenfranchised libtards nearby don't publicly hang me in a fit of socialist rage when they think about the size of my house."
There's a lot of this in all of it. Rich/celebrities or not, all progtards place a high priority on hedging their bets like this, because they really don't want to give up the comforts they demand others give up. They always want to make sure they're able to say "but what about that time I took cold showers/wore Tom's Shoes/tweeted #believeallwomen, surely that buys me an indulgence to live in a 5-bed mcmansion.
 
Whatever these faddists are doing it ain't stoicism - in the Ancient sense at least. That is about controlling the passions and desires by understating yourself and your environment; it does not require you to eat only one meal a day to take cold showers. And above all, it rejects mindless worship of fads. It is no wonder the West is stuffed, when "elites" like this are behaving in this way. allegedly. I think the article looks like its a piss-take.
 
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