Zak Kayes thread autistic slapfight

[That Dumb Derp]

http://segasister.tumblr.com/post/181914214015/so-this-is-it-the-follow-up-i-promised-months
https://archive.li/MyT13

*So Sega was the one who leaked the information to vida. And was still in contact with Toon for a month after what he did was leaked.

Sega's getting flak for this, and rightfully so. As mentioned in the Lily Peet thread, she's also becoming more chummy with Lily now, for reasons unknown. However, what makes this more disturbing and gross is that Sega is choosing to dismiss several of the issues that speaking to Toon actually implies.

There's some important tidbits about this:
1. Sega refers to the victim that helped to spark the drama as a "side girl" and overplays her own role as a victim.
2. We do not know when she last spoke to Toon in the group. I need to say this, because although Sega states the last time she spoke to him directly was in March, she could have spoken to him as part of the group more recently.
3. The FBI investigation failed because Sega and Voice didn't contact the right police department. Also, since there is no explicit content from the conversation between Pastel and Toon, nothing COULD be done anyway. It's a combination of various problems that we've hypothesized (with the leaks being early not helping anything).
4. Even if it had been a while since they last spoke, there is no reason she had to stay silent about this. In fact, it creates a miasma of doubt surrounding her character as to why she wouldn't admit this sooner. She admitted she and Lily were friends or at least buried the hatchet, why wouldn't it be important that she was speaking to the Brony community's biggest predator?

However, Sega elevating her status as a victim as well as returning to both her most recent abuser (Lily) and her previous one (Toon) puts much of her character at risk. In addition, as Keyframe notes in one of the reblogs, much of the ToonKritic fallout is a result of Sega betraying a minor's trust for her own self gain.

Vida's been white-knighting her for all of this, despite the fact that he had been accusing Josh and other members of the Brony Analysis community for what Sega did regarding her most recent conversations, except in the case of Sega, it was for a much more selfish purpose than Josh and the Brony Analysis community trying to work in silence to better get Toon locked up. Even worse, he's even admitted his hypocrisy on the matter, stating that she's entirely justified since she leaked the Toon stuff.

You know where the problem lies?
A. Sega betrayed the trust of a minor by leaking her information and chatlogs to Vida, and downplayed other victims when the MeToon situation happened.
B. Sega double downed on her victimhood in this response, as well as trying to make it seem like it was for her own good that she spoke with ToonKritic, and a chunk of the last questions were dedicated to her talking about her financial situation.
C. There were others in that chat besides Toon. We don't know if they too were pedophiles or whatever.
D. Almost right before this became public knowledge, Sega buried the hatchet with Lily, and may even be becoming friends with her. And as Brittany (thought bubble) points out, this was in spite of the fact that there was no observable change in Lily's behavior and this is on top of Lily's abusive behavior toward Sega.

In fact, from what this post showcases, everything that went wrong with the ToonKritic situation can be directly attributed to Sega, whether it be mishandling of the legal situation, whether it be the leak to Vida, whether it be the hasty and not so good responses from the community, what have you.

Giving her a pass, but blaming Josh and others would be absolutely hypocritical.

 

[Derped223]

Sega's getting flak for this, and rightfully so. As mentioned in the Lily Peet thread, she's also becoming more chummy with Lily now, for reasons unknown. However, what makes this more disturbing and gross is that Sega is choosing to dismiss several of the issues that speaking to Toon actually implies.

There's some important tidbits about this:
1. Sega refers to the victim that helped to spark the drama as a "side girl" and overplays her own role as a victim.
2. We do not know when she last spoke to Toon in the group. I need to say this, because although Sega states the last time she spoke to him directly was in March, she could have spoken to him as part of the group more recently.
3. The FBI investigation failed because Sega and Voice didn't contact the right police department. Also, since there is no explicit content from the conversation between Pastel and Toon, nothing COULD be done anyway. It's a combination of various problems that we've hypothesized (with the leaks being early not helping anything).
4. Even if it had been a while since they last spoke, there is no reason she had to stay silent about this. In fact, it creates a miasma of doubt surrounding her character as to why she wouldn't admit this sooner. She admitted she and Lily were friends or at least buried the hatchet, why wouldn't it be important that she was speaking to the Brony community's biggest predator?

However, Sega elevating her status as a victim as well as returning to both her most recent abuser (Lily) and her previous one (Toon) puts much of her character at risk. In addition, as Keyframe notes in one of the reblogs, much of the ToonKritic fallout is a result of Sega betraying a minor's trust for her own self gain.

Vida's been white-knighting her for all of this, despite the fact that he had been accusing Josh and other members of the Brony Analysis community for what Sega did regarding her most recent conversations, except in the case of Sega, it was for a much more selfish purpose than Josh and the Brony Analysis community trying to work in silence to better get Toon locked up. Even worse, he's even admitted his hypocrisy on the matter, stating that she's entirely justified since she leaked the Toon stuff.

You know where the problem lies?
A. Sega betrayed the trust of a minor by leaking her information and chatlogs to Vida, and downplayed other victims when the MeToon situation happened.
B. Sega double downed on her victimhood in this response, as well as trying to make it seem like it was for her own good that she spoke with ToonKritic, and a chunk of the last questions were dedicated to her talking about her financial situation.
C. There were others in that chat besides Toon. We don't know if they too were pedophiles or whatever.
D. Almost right before this became public knowledge, Sega buried the hatchet with Lily, and may even be becoming friends with her. And as Brittany (thought bubble) points out, this was in spite of the fact that there was no observable change in Lily's behavior and this is on top of Lily's abusive behavior toward Sega.

In fact, from what this post showcases, everything that went wrong with the ToonKritic situation can be directly attributed to Sega, whether it be mishandling of the legal situation, whether it be the leak to Vida, whether it be the hasty and not so good responses from the community, what have you.

Giving her a pass, but blaming Josh and others would be absolutely hypocritical.

Well now we got an up from sega, sorta.
Along with a transcript of the video that she took down when she came out with her story about toon.

https://archive.is/drgNC
http://segasister.tumblr.com/post/181958812080/so-this-is-it

 

[That Dumb Derp]

There's a difference between owning up to your fuck-up and basically showing that you're the source of all the problems in the drama as well as fucking up harder. If it weren't for Sega and her incompetence and selfishness,

A. A large chunk of drama could have been avoided, in particular, the situation involving the Brony Analysis group and less drama-leechery from the likes of FNGR, Vida and Lily Orchard/Peet,
B. Toon would be in JAIL (to be fair though, that's more of how stupid different state laws are)
C. The original victim would still have her anonymity

In addition, her talking down to other victims of Toon and even talking to Toon without telling anyone just rubs a lot of people the wrong way, especially how Segasister sets herself up as the biggest victim in these posts.

 

[WhyDidIDoThis]

There's a difference between owning up to your fuck-up and basically showing that you're the source of all the problems in the drama as well as fucking up harder. If it weren't for Sega and her incompetence and selfishness,

A. A large chunk of drama could have been avoided, in particular, the situation involving the Brony Analysis group and less drama-leechery from the likes of FNGR, Vida and Lily Orchard/Peet,
B. Toon would be in JAIL (to be fair though, that's more of how stupid different state laws are)
C. The original victim would still have her anonymity

In addition, her talking down to other victims of Toon and even talking to Toon without telling anyone just rubs a lot of people the wrong way, especially how Segasister sets herself up as the biggest victim in these posts.

Hey. If it weren't for Sega, the Toon shit would've never gone public. The people in question had sat on this shit for months without actually saying a single word. Meanwhile, Toon was pulling shit behind the scenes to gather as much support as humanly possible. Her leaking the logs to me (where upon they were censored) was far from "Incompetent" as you seem to think.

A. Why exactly are you phrasing drama like it's a bad thing? It stirs up a shitstorm and gets people talking about a thing. If you're opposed to drama, you might want to get yo ass off the farms, because that's more or less the very soul of this website. Granted, they may call it something different, but it's the same shit.
B. The fact that you think that somehow Sega is responsible for Toon not going to jail utterly baffles me. She wasn't even remotely involved in the police reporting procedure. If I recall correctly, that was Voice of Reason who handled it (don't quote me on that, though, I just remember it was one of the dudes in that crew who did it).
C. The original victim's anonymity was ruined because of a leaked call. The call was shared by a guy named DJ Calcos who was involved in the situation. It was supposed to stay private, but some dumb shit decided to give it to a guy named King Theo, who then posted it online without censoring the parts with her name. Sega wasn't even remotely responsible for this.

Sega is a sperg and a half, definitely, and needs to knock off her pathetic bitching and whining about how she's some kind of "Victim." So do the rest of the adults who willfully consented to Toon's shenanigans. But trying to pin everything negative revolving around the Toon situation on hero is retarded as unholy fuck.

 

[That Dumb Derp]

Hey. If it weren't for Sega, the Toon shit would've never gone public. The people in question had sat on this shit for months without actually saying a single word.

Debatable that they wouldn't have said anything within due time. All we have to prove this assumption is your word, and the fact that you've continuously shown that you're an A-Log on the matter doesn't paint you as entirely honest.

Meanwhile, Toon was pulling shit behind the scenes to gather as much support as humanly possible. Her leaking the logs to me (where upon they were censored) was far from "Incompetent" as you seem to think.

It's incompetent when, rather than trying to do anything actually useful, you instead decided to screech loudly and autistically about the matter. I'm not just implicating you on the matter, but also bug-boy and anyone else who, with the information, chose to make it as widely public as possible while Toon still had any kind of support networks and without cornering him. I'm gonna admit that later pedophiles that were outted by Lio were handled better because you all finally learned not to give them an inch to run with (by exposing pretty much every avenue that they could run to).

In addition, leaking information to people who are known for spreading pointless drama is generally a bad move if you want anything done.

A. Why exactly are you phrasing drama like it's a bad thing? It stirs up a shitstorm and gets people talking about a thing. If you're opposed to drama, you might want to get yo ass off the farms, because that's more or less the very soul of this website. Granted, they may call it something different, but it's the same shit.

You're not wrong about drama not being a bad thing in of itself, I'll give you that. But when it's pointless shitflinging to divide the community (like blind accusations of individuals' motives) and siding with a notorious pedophile and making a petition to target creators who didn't handle a situation in a way you didn't like? You're going from actually doing something with drama to being a bit of an A-log, to the point that you even did the classic A-log procedure of publicly declaring yourself to be better than Anthony.

There's a reason that on various other topics, the rule is to not "pozload my negholep" or don't engage, because if you have to prove you're better than someone, you're really not.

B. The fact that you think that somehow Sega is responsible for Toon not going to jail utterly baffles me. She wasn't even remotely involved in the police reporting procedure. If I recall correctly, that was Voice of Reason who handled it (don't quote me on that, though, I just remember it was one of the dudes in that crew who did it).

Considering Voice wouldn't have been involved, period were Sega to not tell him shit, it's hard not to link Sega to any incompetence on Voice's end. This isn't just my logic, this is also your logic, because you seem to believe the Analysis community wanted to do absolutely nothing in the situation. Besides the point, Sega herself states in that post:

...but we were in the process of informing the Chicago branch of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

...Throughout the next month, Voice and I kept in regular contact with the FBI. In hindsight, we now know that as a, “witness,” Zachary, better known as Voice of Reason, would’ve had to alert the Albany PD. They would’ve eventually taken it to the FBI from there.

The wording is sketchy, but considering how Sega likes to deflect blame from herself, it is very likely that despite admitting that she was also involved in the talks with the FBI and the police. The wording in her post simultaneously implies she was and wasn't involved with the situation.

C. The original victim's anonymity was ruined because of a leaked call. The call was shared by a guy named DJ Calcos who was involved in the situation. It was supposed to stay private, but some dumb shit decided to give it to a guy named King Theo, who then posted it online without censoring the parts with her name. Sega wasn't even remotely responsible for this.

This is something I'll admit I fucked up on in my initial posts on the topic, and should have corrected after I learned the information.

Sega is a sperg and a half, definitely, and needs to knock off her pathetic bitching and whining about how she's some kind of "Victim." So do the rest of the adults who willfully consented to Toon's shenanigans. But trying to pin everything negative revolving around the Toon situation on hero is exceptional as unholy fuck.

Few others of those adults have as many bread crumbs leading back to the sheer fuckery that was January, however. Few have also led to the same level of animosity and disdain toward other victims that Sega has, or shown as much animosity to the severity of the situation as Sega. You can legitimately argue that Lily gaslit Patchwork into believing that staying silent is a better idea, that Buttons lacks put-together shit, or whatever have you for the other adult consenting victims, but Sega lacks any excuse besides her ego or stupidity.

 

[WhyDidIDoThis]

Debatable that they wouldn't have said anything within due time. All we have to prove this assumption is your word, and the fact that you've continuously shown that you're an A-Log on the matter doesn't paint you as entirely honest.

It had been three months since they originally gathered the information. Meanwhile, Toon was running damage control and attempting to brace for impact. I know because one of his old friends, Phoolery, outright told me he was in the process of this with him. How long do you need to give a group of spergs on the internet before you just accept that they're never going to release the information? Honest question.

Also, I'd reply to the A-Log thing, but I can't really if you don't provide specifics

It's incompetent when, rather than trying to do anything actually useful, you instead decided to screech loudly and autistically about the matter. I'm not just implicating you on the matter, but also bug-boy and anyone else who, with the information, chose to make it as widely public as possible while Toon still had any kind of support networks and without cornering him. I'm gonna admit that later pedophiles that were outted by Lio were handled better because you all finally learned not to give them an inch to run with (by exposing pretty much every avenue that they could run to).

Personally, I didn't care who it was who was talking about it. Because I wanted everyone to be talking about it. When I talked about it, I reached my subscribers (and then some). When Anthony talked about it, he reached his own subscriber base with it. And when Peet talked about it (and yes, I know the many things wrong with Peet), he reached his own subscriber base. Because everyone was talking about it, the information was circulating like a motherfucker. The entire ponyfag community became aware of this. Something I don't think I've ever seen happen with a drama shitstorm that didn't directly involve the show.

So I'm not picking up what your standard is here. You say you're not supposed to give an inch to run with, but isn't that accomplishing that goal? We posted the ERPs and made sure everyone knew about what kind've person he was so nobody (minus the most autistic, stubborn, "lub n taller eight" type people) would give him the time of day.

You're not wrong about drama not being a bad thing in of itself, I'll give you that. But when it's pointless shitflinging to divide the community (like blind accusations of individuals' motives) and siding with a notorious pedophile and making a petition to target creators who didn't handle a situation in a way you didn't like? You're going from actually doing something with drama to being a bit of an A-log, to the point that you even did the classic A-log procedure of publicly declaring yourself to be better than Anthony.

There's a reason that on various other topics, the rule is to not "pozload my neghole", because if you have to prove you're better than someone, you're really not.

I see you're talking about me now. Firstly, my aim wasn't to divide the community. Starting with the petition, it was specifically targeting people like DrWolf and Silverquill. Two people who hadn't put their foot down with Toon outright sexually assaulting people at conventions (IE touching a chick's ass who had a boyfriend). Then they stayed quiet about all this for months on end, never letting anyone know about what kind of person Toon was. Then DrWolf and Silverquill released a video outright telling people to forgive Toon "for their own sake." We could have a back and forth all day about the intended meaning of the word "Forgive," but the fact remains that saying that given the circumstances I just went over and what Toon had just done is immensely retarded. It would've taken two braincells at most to realize that saying to forgive a pedophile right after he got ousted is a dumb idea. So I wanted some level of consequence.

Also, I seriously don't consider it A-Log to say you're better than, say, Anthony. That's, like, one of the lowest bars you could set for yourself. What's next? Is it going to be A-Log procedure to say I'm better than a literal trash heap? Come on, man.

Considering Voice wouldn't have been involved, period were Sega to not tell him shit, it's hard not to link Sega to any incompetence on Voice's end. This isn't just my logic, this is also your logic, because you seem to believe the Analysis community wanted to do absolutely nothing in the situation. Besides the point, Sega herself states in that post:

{Snip}

The wording is sketchy, but considering how Sega likes to deflect blame from herself, it is very likely that despite admitting that she was also involved in the talks with the FBI and the police. The wording in her post simultaneously implies she was and wasn't involved with the situation.

Firstly, I don't think it would've had to have been Sega to tell him anything. The entire group was supposedly in-the-know (and after seeing the call where a bunch of them confronted Toon, I believe it). It could have been literally anyone who dragged Voice into that mess. And no, I believe the crew didn't want to go public with the information because they were worried about their own reputation. That has always been my stance on the matter.

As for her wording in the post, I honestly believe it's because Sega had an unhealthy, overly dependent, obsessive relationship with Voice. Hell, her entire reason for going after Peet was because Peet said something mean about Voice. I don't think there's anything she could've possibly been doing during the reporting process itself to have mattered in terms of getting Toon off the hook with the law. But, like your first point, we have no way of knowing. It's just an assumption. It could've been literally anything else.

This is something I'll admit I fucked up on in my initial posts on the topic, and should have corrected after I learned the information.

appreciated

Few others of those adults have as many bread crumbs leading back to the sheer fuckery that was January, however. Few have also led to the same level of animosity and disdain toward other victims that Sega has, or shown as much animosity to the severity of the situation as Sega. You can legitimately argue that Lily gaslit Patchwork into believing that staying silent is a better idea.

Some of those bread crumbs prove to be immensely beneficial. And what animosity and disdain towards other victims? How was she hostile to the overall situation? What did your last sentence mean? I don't understand almost any part of this last paragraph.

Also, if you want to continue bringing up how I acted in relation to Toon and the Toon shit that went down, I'm more than happy to comment on it (It IS the topic of the thread). But as for anything about me that is unrelated, hit up my DMs so we can keep the thread mostly focused on that (or, hell, start a discussion on my profile page if you want it public).

 

[That Dumb Derp]

It had been three months since they originally gathered the information

According to videos on the topic, most of the people who knew (save maybe BritishNinja) were made aware IN January of last year, with BritishNinja being made aware on Christmas. To say they knew for longer is a blatant lie without evidence.
https://hooktube/-HzQnRrNnEc?t=203

Also, I seriously don't consider it A-Log to say you're better than, say, Anthony. That's, like, one of the lowest bars you could set for yourself. What's next? Is it going to be A-Log procedure to say I'm better than a literal trash heap? Come on, man.

It was the most stereotypical move you could have done (like, almost constantly obsessing on your battle with FNGR), but far from the only thing considering you entrenched yourself in the whole Buttons and FNGR drama while that happened or how much you worked with Lily in that time, but that's of course straying from the topic.

So I'm not picking up what your standard is here. You say you're not supposed to give an inch to run with, but isn't that accomplishing that goal? We posted the ERPs and made sure everyone knew about what kind've person he was so nobody (minus the most autistic, stubborn, "lub n taller eight" type people) would give him the time of day.

Getting back on track with Mr. Zak, he's been busy for the last year, trying to get into the Pokemon fandom.
Here's his discord information for reference:
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I mean, the fact that Toon can not only reappear in another place and even feel open to reveal who he is and what he did is kiiiiiiiiinda far from the intended consequence, so no, this didn't achieve the goal of "not letting him have an inch". My standard of "this is done" would be something like Shmorky, who is so despised and ridiculed that he can't even breathe without being concerned about whether or not the community he sneaks into knows who he is, or Nick Bate who is, y'know, actually in jail. If that happened to Toon, I don't think we'd be in this mess to begin with.

 

[That Dumb Derp]

https://twitter.com/MisAnthroPony/status/1106297541304422404
http://archive.is/MPtfT

For context,
https://twitter.com/HidekiNishi7/status/1106284182827868162
http://archive.fo/kk7pI

From what I've also heard, Vida is apparently also siding with Fusion and HidekiNishi on this plan.

Gee, I bet you want to cover your own ass and Toon's then, don't you?

 

[WhyDidIDoThis]

Cover your own ass and Toon's then

What exactly are you implying, dude? That I'm a pedophile? That's coming out of absolutely nowhere.

I just had a lengthy back and forth with Raynard a few days ago, and I'm going to go ahead and put this here for everyone to see. If you have an issue with me, hit me up in my DMs. I have literally no problem discussing why I did what I did and discussing whether or not it's the proper action. At least make a point to tag me next time you falsely accuse me of pedophilia.

Also, let me explain this train of thought. It's worthless to keep telling everyone what Toon's account name is. The moment he gets outted, he makes a new account. Meaning as soon as you reveal his new account, it's automatically outdated. Eventually, he's going to make a new account that nobody will know and it'll manage to stay that way. If he's still a potential predator of children when that happens (which I believe he is), there's nothing you can do to stop him for going after more children. If you actually care about investing your time in "Keeping the children safe," you need to think of a new game plan. Because your current approach has zero longterm success.

 

[That Dumb Derp]

What exactly are you implying, dude? That I'm a pedophile? That's coming out of absolutely nowhere.

I just had a lengthy back and forth with Raynard a few days ago, and I'm going to go ahead and put this here for everyone to see. If you have an issue with me, hit me up in my DMs. I have literally no problem discussing why I did what I did and discussing whether or not it's the proper action. At least make a point to tag me next time you falsely accuse me of pedophilia.

Ah, apologies, I didn't know you were so exceptional that you forgot your own justification for why Josh was always wrong for how he handled ToonKritic.

I was calling you a hypocrite. The reasoning you chose to use against Josh works against you here, except... well, it's like you took Josh's methodical approach to getting Toon imprisoned and made it more damaging.

Also, let me explain this train of thought. It's worthless to keep telling everyone what Toon's account name is. The moment he gets outted, he makes a new account. Meaning as soon as you reveal his new account, it's automatically outdated. Eventually, he's going to make a new account that nobody will know and it'll manage to stay that way. If he's still a potential predator of children when that happens (which I believe he is), there's nothing you can do to stop him for going after more children. If you actually care about investing your time in "Keeping the children safe," you need to think of a new game plan. Because your current approach has zero longterm success.

As if that justifies putting a fucking child in harm's way, you fucking idiotic sociopath.

Your approach only works in a not too damaging way if you already had someone being harmed by Toonkritic (so that at worst, you're prolonging their suffering but this can be mitigated with proper support) or a fully non damaging way if you have a decoy.

Let me repeat myself, in a more concise way.

YOUR SOLUTION IS TO FUCKING IGNORE AND ENABLE A PEDOPHILE AND LET THEM HARM A CHILD BEFORE YOU DO SHIT.

Oh, and just a reminder, WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS SITUATION IF IT WEREN'T FOR YOU.

YOU HAVE PERSISTENTLY AND CONSISTENTLY MADE THE SITUATION WORSE, ALL THE WHILE PRETENDING YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT.

You, @WhyDidIDoThis, have caused more damage than solved. You didn't press for anything damning out of Sega, who DID interact with Toon a month after the drama blew up, you flailed like a spergy idiot over some badly thought out advice, you sided with known pedophile Lily Peet/Orchard, and you constantly grandstanded about how you had the better solution.

Quarantine was the only option you gave people after you and your ilk had caused the situation to blow up, and AFAIK? Nothing has happened except Toon getting chased out.

Let the grown ups handle this for once.

 

[WhyDidIDoThis]

I'll respond one more time to minimize the time this thread is off topic (because people arguing with me has been considered off topic before and we've had our posts deleted). After that, hit me up in my DMs if you think you're still in the right. And if you absolutely need the validation of others on this site to encourage you, you can post on my profile instead so everyone else can join in. I don't mind.

Ah, apologies, I didn't know you were so exceptional that you forgot your own justification for why Josh was always wrong for how he handled ToonKritic.

You did not specify what your issue with me was. I have spergs raging about me for literally everything under the sun and most reasons end up making no sense or being factually incorrect. Especially when it comes from a ponyfag such as yourself. Next time, specify your issue to avoid people assuming what you mean.

I was calling you a hypocrite. The reasoning you chose to use against Josh works against you here, except... well, it's like you took Josh's methodical approach to getting Toon imprisoned and made it more damaging.

Except it doesn't. Toon had horsefame leverage over most people originally and an army of whiteknights with influence in the pony fandom to protect him. Granted, none of these people matter in the grand scheme of things, but they did within the pony community and allowed him to get away with everything and still be by-in-large viewed as a good person. We are no longer in that situation. The few people defending him are viewed with disdain. His options are now limited, given his extremely limited support group and need for secrecy.

As if that justifies putting a fucking child in harm's way, you fucking idiotic sociopath. Your approach only works in a not too damaging way if you already had someone being harmed by Toonkritic (so that at worst, you're prolonging their suffering but this can be mitigated with proper support) or a fully non damaging way if you have a decoy.

The irony of you calling me an idiot is rich. Think for five seconds. Whether or not you rat him out, he'll still eventually get to a point where nobody knows his new account. Children are already inevitably going to be put in harm's way. This isn't something unique to my approach. I'm not the one who's going to cause this. It's unavoidable no matter what happens. So knowing that, with reality in mind, you need to think of a different approach. I've not specified what that is because I don't know what it is. But as the meme goes, this ain't it, chief.

YOUR SOLUTION IS TO FUCKING IGNORE AND ENABLE A PEDOPHILE AND LET THEM HARM A CHILD BEFORE YOU DO SHIT.

My solution is to find another way to deal with him that will have longterm success rather than temporary success which will eventually stop.

Oh, and just a reminder, WE WOULDN'T BE IN THIS SITUATION IF IT WEREN'T FOR YOU. YOU HAVE PERSISTENTLY AND CONSISTENTLY MADE THE SITUATION WORSE, ALL THE WHILE PRETENDING YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT.

So, let me get this straight. You're trying to blame Toon fucking children on me? Why, because I ratted him out when this first happened (the very thing you want to keep doing)? Oh, wait, it's for a more exceptional reason.

You, @WhyDidIDoThis, have caused more damage than solved. You didn't press for anything damning out of Sega, who DID interact with Toon a month after the drama blew up, you flailed like a spergy idiot over some badly thought out advice, you sided with known pedophile Lily Peet/Orchard, and you constantly grandstanded about how you had the better solution.

Nice. You actually tagged me. Next time, do it when I'm not already aware of the thread in which you're shit talking me.

Firstly, I've barely been in contact with Sega. After I was "Mean to her friends," she's constantly avoided me. She makes excuses, saying things like "Oh, I need a break" while stealthily trying to block me everywhere and hope I forget. I was blocked before she came out about talking to Toon in DMs. So this literally can not be held against me (although if this is your reasoning for why everything is my fault, I appreciate you viewing me as the internet police. You flatter me.)

Second, if you mean press her for things when we were originally on talking terms before everything blew up, what did you expect me to press her for? I got 500+ screenshots of Toon trying to fuck an underage girl. When you get that sort've thing, there's typically nothing more damning to dig for. Use your brain.

Lastly, I have never sided with Peet. I will happily say that I do not support Peet, think he's an idiot, and frequently get pissed at shit he posts. What I did do, however, was approve of Peet spreading the message about Toon. Back when it actually made a longterm impact. Cons no longer want to touch him with a ten foot pole. His defenders with actual influence have ditched him. The vast majority of people in the fandom despise him. At that point, there was a definite longterm benefit to outting him. At this point, it accomplishes nothing longterm.

Quarantine was the only option you gave people after you and your ilk had caused the situation to blow up, and AFAIK? Nothing has happened except Toon getting chased out.

I'm not sure what exactly you mean by quarantine, unless you're talking about keeping him ousted. But I'm noticing that's not accomplishing much. However, the original "Toon getting chased out" is a positive, as I previously explained.

Let the grown ups handle this for once.

I'd prefer it if someone with a working brain could handle this for once. Failing that, let me know if you find a grown-up. Thank you.

If you want to continue this, hit me up in my profile comments. I have no qualms with arguing with people over this. If you're as right as you think you are and you hate me as much as you seem to (and if you think I'm responsible for Toon, you'd better hate me), I'll see you there. The people who agree with you are more than welcome to come along too. But if you're actually a ponyfag like I believe you are, I'm sure you'll make some excuse not to.

Also, adults tend to talk about their problems with the person they have issues with. So show me how adult you really are.

 

[Reynard]

I'll respond one more time to minimize the time this thread is off topic (because people arguing with me has been considered off topic before and we've had our posts deleted). After that, hit me up in my DMs if you think you're still in the right. And if you absolutely need the validation of others on this site to encourage you, you can post on my profile instead so everyone else can join in. I don't mind.



You did not specify what your issue with me was. I have spergs raging about me for literally everything under the sun and most reasons end up making no sense or being factually incorrect. Especially when it comes from a ponyfag such as yourself. Next time, specify your issue to avoid people assuming what you mean.



Except it doesn't. Toon had horsefame leverage over most people originally and an army of whiteknights with influence in the pony fandom to protect him. Granted, none of these people matter in the grand scheme of things, but they did within the pony community and allowed him to get away with everything and still be by-in-large viewed as a good person. We are no longer in that situation. The few people defending him are viewed with disdain. His options are now limited, given his extremely limited support group and need for secrecy.



The irony of you calling me an idiot is rich. Think for five seconds. Whether or not you rat him out, he'll still eventually get to a point where nobody knows his new account. Children are already inevitably going to be put in harm's way. This isn't something unique to my approach. I'm not the one who's going to cause this. It's unavoidable no matter what happens. So knowing that, with reality in mind, you need to think of a different approach. I've not specified what that is because I don't know what it is. But as the meme goes, this ain't it, chief.



My solution is to find another way to deal with him that will have longterm success rather than temporary success which will eventually stop.



So, let me get this straight. You're trying to blame Toon fucking children on me? Why, because I ratted him out when this first happened (the very thing you want to keep doing)? Oh, wait, it's for a more exceptional reason.



Nice. You actually tagged me. Next time, do it when I'm not already aware of the thread in which you're shit talking me.

Firstly, I've barely been in contact with Sega. After I was "Mean to her friends," she's constantly avoided me. She makes excuses, saying things like "Oh, I need a break" while stealthily trying to block me everywhere and hope I forget. I was blocked before she came out about talking to Toon in DMs. So this literally can not be held against me (although if this is your reasoning for why everything is my fault, I appreciate you viewing me as the internet police. You flatter me.)

Second, if you mean press her for things when we were originally on talking terms before everything blew up, what did you expect me to press her for? I got 500+ screenshots of Toon trying to fuck an underage girl. When you get that sort've thing, there's typically nothing more damning to dig for. Use your brain.

Lastly, I have never sided with Peet. I will happily say that I do not support Peet, think he's an idiot, and frequently get pissed at shit he posts. What I did do, however, was approve of Peet spreading the message about Toon. Back when it actually made a longterm impact. Cons no longer want to touch him with a ten foot pole. His defenders with actual influence have ditched him. The vast majority of people in the fandom despise him. At that point, there was a definite longterm benefit to outting him. At this point, it accomplishes nothing longterm.



I'm not sure what exactly you mean by quarantine, unless you're talking about keeping him ousted. But I'm noticing that's not accomplishing much. However, the original "Toon getting chased out" is a positive, as I previously explained.



I'd prefer it if someone with a working brain could handle this for once. Failing that, let me know if you find a grown-up. Thank you.

If you want to continue this, hit me up in my profile comments. I have no qualms with arguing with people over this. If you're as right as you think you are and you hate me as much as you seem to (and if you think I'm responsible for Toon, you'd better hate me), I'll see you there. The people who agree with you are more than welcome to come along too. But if you're actually a ponyfag like I believe you are, I'm sure you'll make some excuse not to.

Also, adults tend to talk about their problems with the person they have issues with. So show me how adult you really are.

I'm really only here to see the squabble between @That Dumb Derp because I find it entertaining to see two ponyfags go at it, but you saying that someone arguing with you is off-topic is factually incorrect. You were the one who dropped the big reveal. You were the one that started spreading the word. Your video is in the goddamn OP. To say discussing you in this thread is off-topic is just flat out false. Don't be a pussy. You can talk where other people can see and are likely to view it because unlike your page, this thread actually gets traffic.

EDIT: Yo, @WhyDidIDoThis, why don't you just say it here so you could at least pretend you had balls. The mods aren't gonna say talking about you is off-topic when you're in the goddamn OP.

 

[That Dumb Derp]

I'll respond one more time to minimize the time this thread is off topic (because people arguing with me has been considered off topic before and we've had our posts deleted). After that, hit me up in my DMs if you think you're still in the right. And if you absolutely need the validation of others on this site to encourage you, you can post on my profile instead so everyone else can join in. I don't mind.

Pssst, @Reynard hit things on the doornail with your cowardice. You want to be the one in control of the conversation so you don't have to be criticized. Nobody cares about profile pages and a DM is the perfect place be a pussy.

You did not specify what your issue with me was. I have spergs raging about me for literally everything under the sun and most reasons end up making no sense or being factually incorrect. Especially when it comes from a ponyfag such as yourself. Next time, specify your issue to avoid people assuming what you mean.

I frankly stopped giving a shit about MLP for a while, only caring for a few creators and their non MLP works (Josh being the bigger example), so that really doesn't matter.

That said, I know we have discussed the issue in both this thread (briefly) and the Lily thread and my criticism has always been that your dramawhoring has basically put Toon in a place where he can escape anywhere he likes without worrying about being caught since all he has to do is change names and get sympathy.

Except it doesn't. Toon had horsefame leverage over most people originally and an army of whiteknights with influence in the pony fandom to protect him. Granted, none of these people matter in the grand scheme of things, but they did within the pony community and allowed him to get away with everything and still be by-in-large viewed as a good person. We are no longer in that situation. The few people defending him are viewed with disdain. His options are now limited, given his extremely limited support group and need for secrecy.

Such a need that almost every time he lingered long enough that he feels it's okay to self disclose and not be worried. Ooooh, such a need for secrecy.

Whether or not you rat him out, he'll still eventually get to a point where nobody knows his new account. Children are already inevitably going to be put in harm's way. This isn't something unique to my approach. I'm not the one who's going to cause this. It's unavoidable no matter what happens. So knowing that, with reality in mind, you need to think of a different approach. I've not specified what that is because I don't know what it is. But as the meme goes, this ain't it, chief.

Pssst, this [the constant callouts] was exactly the approach you and Lio went for with Toon, and Lio is still using said approach with some success including on other pedos, so nice backpedal.

My solution is to find another way to deal with him that will have longterm success rather than temporary success which will eventually stop.

AKA (as seen in the twitter threads) letting a child be diddled to catch him catch him is sufficient.

So, let me get this straight. You're trying to blame Toon fucking children on me? Why, because I ratted him out when this first happened (the very thing you want to keep doing)? Oh, wait, it's for a more exceptional reason.

You're so exceptional that you forget context to the words you read, the content of the post, or your own actions. But since you are slow, allow me to explain.

The problem is that by exposing Toon before anything could be used to actually him in the slammer, you basically gave him a smoke screen to escape.

It's like trying to catch someone without a licence plate or any knowledge of their getaway car, failing, and then acting smug that you somehow solved the situation when in reality, you made him some other community's problem.

Firstly, I've barely been in contact with Sega. After I was "Mean to her friends," she's constantly avoided me. She makes excuses, saying things like "Oh, I need a break" while stealthily trying to block me everywhere and hope I forget. I was blocked before she came out about talking to Toon in DMs. So this literally can not be held against me (although if this is your reasoning for why everything is my fault, I appreciate you viewing me as the internet police. You flatter me.)

Second, if you mean press her for things when we were originally on talking terms before everything blew up, what did you expect me to press her for? I got 500+ screenshots of Toon trying to fuck an underage girl. When you get that sort've thing, there's typically nothing more damning to dig for. Use your brain.

Considering your pisspoor reasoning as for why Josh and crew were responsible for Toon fleeing like he did, I'd say you're fully responsible for Sega not giving you information.

Oh wait, hold on. Except there's actually more to this since, you know, you broke rules in a chatroom, whined and lied by omission about it on Tumblr and then decided to partially dox Josh. Because that's a good idea. Not to mention, your infant's first Metokur shtick on social media does nothing to help your case. If I were to make a guess, even if it were pointed out to you, you would deny that the straw that broke the camel's back was actually a problem and in fact said camel is too sensitive.

Lastly, I have never sided with Peet. I will happily say that I do not support Peet, think he's an idiot, and frequently get pissed at shit he posts. What I did do, however, was approve of Peet spreading the message about Toon. Back when it actually made a longterm impact. Cons no longer want to touch him with a ten foot pole. His defenders with actual influence have ditched him. The vast majority of people in the fandom despise him. At that point, there was a definite longterm benefit to outting him. At this point, it accomplishes nothing longterm

Your Peet apologia says otherwise, as well as the extended interactions with her. The long as hell thread where you ignore the person who has the most known history with Lily in order to put on your neckbeard and fedora to say "muh evuhdence hmmm?" as if defending a pedophile and abuser makes you an intellectual heavyweight.

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I'm not sure what exactly you mean by quarantine, unless you're talking about keeping him ousted. But I'm noticing that's not accomplishing much. However, the original "Toon getting chased out" is a positive, as I previously explained.

That's basically what I'm talking about. However, I wouldn't exactly call "making him disappear and go into other communities" a positive. Since it's unlikely he can be brought to jail in a way that doesn't harm another child, this is the best option.

Also, adults tend to talk about their problems with the person they have issues with. So show me how adult you really are.

Says the child who is so scared of how others see him that he wants the discussion in his room.

EDIT: Struck a nerve, did I?

Unlike you, I'd rather keep my criticisms in the open so anyone can see and criticize me in turn.

 

[WhyDidIDoThis]

I try to keep threads clean of these arguments, but you know what? I've already tried to move it to somewhere more appropriate for personal disagreements, and my enjoyment of seeing you make exceptional "arguments" against me and my points outweighs my desire to keep the thread clean. So YEET.

Pssst, @Reynard hit things on the doornail with your cowardice. You want to be the one in control of the conversation so you don't have to be criticized. Nobody cares about profile pages and a DM is the perfect place be a pussy.

I find this ironic coming from you. I have no issue going public with arguments. I'll happily stream with others if I am requested. I've engaged in a limited capacity with you here up until this point to show you I'm up for arguing about this publicly, but that this isn't the place. And the reason for that isn't cowardice. I'm not going to blame you for being unaware of this, but there have been multiple people who have had issues with me. I've responded and the posts have gotten deleted by mods who said it's off-topic (it may happen here, so don't be surprised). I don't agree with that decision, but it's what always happens. I'd prefer your stupidity to remain in tact over time, thank you. If you have an alternative to this thread for us to argue, I'm more than open for it. Hell, make a post in Off-Topic. I've said this already, but I encourage you to bring literally anyone who has an issue with me along with you. I don't care how many people show up.

I frankly stopped giving a shit about MLP for a while, only caring for a few creators and their non MLP works (Josh being the bigger example), so that really doesn't matter.

If your exceptionalism is enough for me to have figured out that you are (or were) a ponyfag, yes. It matters. Because that means it's terminal.

That said, I know we have discussed the issue in both this thread (briefly) and the Lily thread and my criticism has always been that your dramawhoring has basically put Toon in a place where he can escape anywhere he likes without worrying about being caught since all he has to do is change names and get sympathy.

Hello. Welcome to Kiwifarms. A place to discuss drama/exceptional individuals and point and laugh at them. The main difference between me and this site is that I actively engage with the individuals because I'm involved in the community and don't agree with that rule of thumb set by the site. Calling me a dramawhore is insanely hypocritical.

You're claiming that I put him in that position somehow. No matter what happened, however, he would've been capable of changing names. The sympathy he gets is from the spergs in the fandom who take the "Starlight Redemption Arc" and "Forgiveness" shit to an extreme. The people with dangerously high amounts of empathy. You can keep trying to pin everything on me, but you don't back up your statements. This is one reason I could tell you were a ponyfag.

Such a need that almost every time he lingered long enough that he feels it's okay to self disclose and not be worried. Ooooh, such a need for secrecy.

And what happens every time? His name gets published and he makes a new account. So, yes. There's a need for secrecy. Over time, however, he's inevitably going to stop doing that and nobody will know he is. And if he's still interested in kids at that point, nobody will be aware of him going after any children online. That is the primary thing I'm focused on. If you claim to care about the safety of children in regards to Toon wandering about, this should be your primary focus. But it isn't.

AKA (as seen in the twitter threads) letting a child be diddled to catch him catch him is sufficient.

Would it work? If it was a person in the states, law enforcement would take it more seriously and he'd be in deep shit. I am not suggesting that be the approach. I'm saying that is currently the only way he's likely to be dealt with permanently. I don't want to use a kid for that purpose and it sickens me. I am open to other options. Hence me not endorsing any one method, but instead saying "This ain't it, chief." There's merit to the approach you just mentioned, but I don't want to do that. Currently the one I support the most for the time being is just monitoring him when he's found out and only outting him once he starts gaining some traction or going after a child again. Because at least at that point, you buy some time before he figures out what he's doing wrong.

You're so exceptional that you forget context to the words you read, the content of the post, or your own actions. But since you are slow, allow me to explain. The problem is that by exposing Toon before anything could be used to actually him in the slammer, you basically gave him a smoke screen to escape. It's like trying to catch someone without a licence plate or any knowledge of their getaway car, failing, and then acting smug that you somehow solved the situation when in reality, you made him some other community's problem.

This is factually not how that works and it shows you don't have even the most basic of understanding when it comes to law. The evidence of his actions are out there in screenshot form. If a law enforcement agency wanted to, they could contact Skype and obtain all the information firsthand. They have a recorded call of him (which was recorded from a one-party consent state, mind you) that has what amounts to a flat out confession. They have probable cause and could get that shit in a heartbeat. But they won't. Law enforcement resources are incredibly limited (in most areas) and they have to make decisions on what is the best use of said resources. In the event of a man being pedophilic towards a minor in another country, that would end up being lower priority than the countless amount of crime happening in the general Chicago area that Toonkritic lives in.

You're attempting to pin this on me, but I'm sorry. It just doesn't work and you're going to look more and more exceptional if you keep trying to push that narrative.

Considering your pisspoor reasoning as for why Josh and crew were responsible for Toon fleeing like he did, I'd say you're fully responsible for Sega not giving you information. Oh wait, hold on. Except there's actually more to this since, you know, you broke rules in a chatroom, whined and lied by omission about it on Tumblr and then decided to partially dox Josh. Because that's a good idea. Not to mention, your infant's first Metokur shtick on social media does nothing to help your case. If I were to make a guess, even if it were pointed out to you, you would deny that the straw that broke the camel's back was actually a problem and in fact said camel is too sensitive.

My main issue with Josh and his crew handling the Toon situation was that they didn't go public with it while Toon still had so much influence, leverage, and areas to prey upon children. You can tell everyone about what he's doing while also reporting it to the police. That is a thing. If you mean a different reason that I may have stated at one point that irked me on a lesser scale, I encourage you to actually tell me exactly what that is. Nobody here has read everything I've ever done and monitored me nonstop. If you want this conversation to be public, fine, but inform people on what it actually is you're talking about. And I'm not going to stay silent on something I disagree with on the off-chance someone might not tell me something. That's stupid. You're stupid. This is stupid.

Are you actually going to get butthurt over my actions in Josh's chatroom? Dude, that is so incredibly unimportant and uninteresting at this point that I don't even remember half of that. I know for a fact that Josh lied about something, though. I think one of his admins was saying something while he was saying something totally different and that rubbed me the wrong way. Don't quote me on that, though. I don't really care about some autistic band player's chatroom. However, I would like to see exactly what you mean by dox. Because I've been told I've doxxed people so frequently that it isn't even funny. What is funny, however, is that the person never understands what doxxing actually is. But you might be one of the first, so have at it. Cite what I actually did for once, please.

Speaking of, I legit have no idea what you're on about in regards to the Metokur thing. Elaboration required.

Your Peet apologia says otherwise, as well as the extended interactions with her. The long as hell thread where you ignore the person who has the most known history with Lily in order to put on your neckbeard and fedora to say "muh evuhdence hmmm?" as if defending a pedophile and abuser makes you an intellectual heavyweight.

Okay, so looking over this old ass thread, this was during some altercation between Buttons and Peet. I explicitly say that early on (What is reading comprehension?). Buttons is a wellknown liar. As such, I trust literally nothing they say without evidence. Brittany injected herself in and we have a back and forth spat because she didn't read it properly either and decided to make it about Peet in general. In addition, I had issues with people early on trying to twist the Toon thing into a Peet thing, which always happens with anything because of how obsessive people tend to be in regards to Peet. Do not mistake this as me supporting Peet, however. I do not.

In addition, what extended interactions are you talking about? The last time I messaged Peet was in January, and it was for literally 2 messages because I saw him tweet about the Sega shit and was wondering what his thoughts were on it (mainly to see if he was going to make a video).

None of this is intellectualism. I don't consider myself some great genius who could argue anyone into a corner. This is just first grade shit. Basic reading comprehension and the backing of claims. Something you clearly struggle with.

That's basically what I'm talking about. However, I wouldn't exactly call "making him disappear and go into other communities" a positive. Since it's unlikely he can be brought to jail in a way that doesn't harm another child, this is the best option.

What I did wasn't the cause for him not being in jail. That scapegoat does not work. The only way I see him going into jail is if he slips up and goes after a minor. I do not want him to go after a minor, once again. That is just the reality of the situation.

Says the child who is so scared of how others see him that he wants the discussion in his room.

Yet here I am.

 

[That Dumb Derp]

A WHOOOOOLE lot of nothing, but you can read it in his original post.

And this is how I know you're a sperg. You are so obsessed with being better than your opponents that you are perfectly willing to roll around in shit if you thought it would make you look better. You are so insecure that you rambled on my profile page over me giving you a "dumb" rating while I was typing up my previous response, and argued with someone about how you totally weren't mad about said rating. You're so desperate to find any label to attack me that despite me not being a part of that community anymore, you've chosen to try and lump me with the attitudes of ponyfags, trying hard to have your precious moral ground.

I don't give a fuck if you think you're "brave" in wanting a "debate" or being "open" to "debates". There's a reason that Steve "Destiny" Bonnel has his own thread despite being as eagerly "open to debate": he's intellectually dishonest and known for harassing his opponents. Your behavior and the way you handle yourself does not give any kind of evidence that you won't just chimp out being proven wrong or not having the upper hand. In addition, given your dubious nature involving the truth, and how you've used that excuse MULTIPLE TIMES in this thread and in your DM with @Reynard, I don't believe your claim the mods delete your posts for being off topic. As others have stated, you have enveloped yourself in this drama, you are as much part of the topic as FNGR becomes when he references Lily.

Oh, yeah, that's right. Your age old "trump card", used to absolve you of all consideration of being an A-Log. "This is Kiwi Farms! We talk about drama!" Yes. Talk about drama. Not trying to instigate it or pozload my negholep, we observe and commentate. The obsession that marks your dedication to drama that you have to envelop yourself in it (whether it be involving yourself with known A-Log FNGR, known cow Buttons, recently outed sperg Segasister and known cow Lily Peet) marks you as evidence as to why people shouldn't involve themselves with cows. The spergery is infectious.

And what happens every time? His name gets published and he makes a new account. So, yes. There's a need for secrecy. Over time, however, he's inevitably going to stop doing that and nobody will know he is. And if he's still interested in kids at that point, nobody will be aware of him going after any children online. That is the primary thing I'm focused on. If you claim to care about the safety of children in regards to Toon wandering about, this should be your primary focus. But it isn't.

Again, not enough that he doesn't feel safe revealing himself the moment he gets. In addition, your initial leak caused him to flee early and put us in this mess, but because you don't like to admit you're wrong about anything, you refuse to think about what you did and consider. "Huh... Did I make things worse than they should be, or am I doing the right thing?"

The fact that you refuse to admit any merit to that point only cements that you never bothered to consider the consequences of your actions.

Would it work? If it was a person in the states, law enforcement would take it more seriously and he'd be in deep shit. I am not suggesting that be the approach. I'm saying that is currently the only way he's likely to be dealt with permanently. I don't want to use a kid for that purpose and it sickens me. I am open to other options. Hence me not endorsing any one method, but instead saying "This ain't it, chief." There's merit to the approach you just mentioned, but I don't want to do that. Currently the one I support the most for the time being is just monitoring him when he's found out and only outting him once he starts gaining some traction or going after a child again. Because at least at that point, you buy some time before he figures out what he's doing wrong.

So you let him build up an even more dedicated fanbase than he did with the ponyfags who'll likely do anything they can to minimize the public presence of him going after a child.

Brilliant.

This is factually not how that works and it shows you don't have even the most basic of understanding when it comes to law. The evidence of his actions are out there in screenshot form. If a law enforcement agency wanted to, they could contact Skype and obtain all the information firsthand. They have a recorded call of him (which was recorded from a one-party consent state, mind you) that has what amounts to a flat out confession. They have probable cause and could get that shit in a heartbeat. But they won't. Law enforcement resources are incredibly limited (in most areas) and they have to make decisions on what is the best use of said resources. In the event of a man being pedophilic towards a minor in another country, that would end up being lower priority than the countless amount of crime happening in the general Chicago area that Toonkritic lives in.

You're attempting to pin this on me, but I'm sorry. It just doesn't work and you're going to look more and more exceptional if you keep trying to push that narrative.

If they had insufficient evidence (even after EVERYTHING) then they could have gathered more. And a pedophile tends to have the resources to delete fucking everything and be fine when people are suspicious. Just look at Sarah Nyberg or Lily Peet for proof.

My main issue with Josh and his crew handling the Toon situation was that they didn't go public with it while Toon still had so much influence, leverage, and areas to prey upon children. You can tell everyone about what he's doing while also reporting it to the police. That is a thing. If you mean a different reason that I may have stated at one point that irked me on a lesser scale, I encourage you to actually tell me exactly what that is. Nobody here has read everything I've ever done and monitored me nonstop. If you want this conversation to be public, fine, but inform people on what it actually is you're talking about. And I'm not going to stay silent on something I disagree with on the off-chance someone might not tell me something. That's stupid. You're stupid. This is stupid.

As people besides myself have informed you on both the Lily thread and this one, going public might have been the worst decision you could have done at that point in time. You never listened. Not to mention, Josh and crew were trying to reduce his influence before things went public, so he had even less room to hide. But being outted early (and worse yet, by a known shitstirrer) allowed his apologists to be even more adamant in their defence. We saw this with Lily and we saw this with Sarah Nyberg. Your first move was a proven bad move long before you considered it.

Are you actually going to get butthurt over my actions in Josh's chatroom? Dude, that is so incredibly unimportant and uninteresting at this point that I don't even remember half of that. I know for a fact that Josh lied about something, though. I think one of his admins was saying something while he was saying something totally different and that rubbed me the wrong way. Don't quote me on that, though. I don't really care about some autistic band player's chatroom. However, I would like to see exactly what you mean by dox. Because I've been told I've doxxed people so frequently that it isn't even funny. What is funny, however, is that the person never understands what doxxing actually is. But you might be one of the first, so have at it. Cite what I actually did for once, please.

Speaking of, I legit have no idea what you're on about in regards to the Metokur thing. Elaboration required.

It was a quip in regards to how similar you are to Metokur, in the worst ways. Namely, for the following ways:

• You present yourself with an above it all personality, and seemingly believe you're better than everyone else around you.
• Your smug sense of superiority leads you to treating everyone around you like piles of garbage, to the point you actually have no idea if you're being a terrible person.
• Instead of taking criticism normally, you chimp out with a tough man attitude, pissing away any kind of respect you had.

This reflects in your attitudes towards others and how you dealt with Josh, Sega and his friends. Also, I love how you think I'm buttmad about that situation, just because I brought it up as a potential point towards you as an unpleasant presence and your spotty relationship with honesty.

As for why I (and why people in that thread) knew you were doxxing... well, let's take a looksy at a definition.

Doxing (from dox, abbreviation of documents)[1] or doxxing[2][3] is the Internet-based practice of researching and broadcasting private or identifiable information (especially personally identifiable information) about an individual or organization.[3][4][5][6][7][8]

The methods employed to acquire this information include searching publicly available databases and social media websites (like Facebook), hacking, and social engineering. It is closely related to Internet vigilantism and hacktivism.

Doxing may be carried out for various reasons, including to aid law enforcement, business analysis, risk analytics, extortion, coercion, inflicting harm, harassment, online shaming, and vigilante justice.

And you chose to go through all of that effort because an artist was incompetent. You're so adorably hot tempered.

Okay, so looking over this old ass thread, this was during some altercation between Buttons and Peet. I explicitly say that early on (What is reading comprehension?). Buttons is a wellknown liar. As such, I trust literally nothing they say without evidence. Brittany injected herself in and we have a back and forth spat because she didn't read it properly either and decided to make it about Peet in general. In addition, I had issues with people early on trying to twist the Toon thing into a Peet thing, which always happens with anything because of how obsessive people tend to be in regards to Peet. Do not mistake this as me supporting Peet, however. I do not.

In addition, what extended interactions are you talking about? The last time I messaged Peet was in January, and it was for literally 2 messages because I saw him tweet about the Sega shit and was wondering what his thoughts were on it (mainly to see if he was going to make a video).

None of this is intellectualism. I don't consider myself some great genius who could argue anyone into a corner. This is just first grade shit. Basic reading comprehension and the backing of claims. Something you clearly struggle with.

Gee, I wonder what could have given someone ideas that you were Lily's ally or at least chummy with her in the time you've spent with her. ?

And gee, I wonder if someone would trust Buttons after stating she's a known liar... It would look REALLY awkward if you did that.

Even if it's not intellectualism, you still put up your neckbeard and fedora to defend Lily.

What I did wasn't the cause for him not being in jail. That scapegoat does not work. The only way I see him going into jail is if he slips up and goes after a minor. I do not want him to go after a minor, once again. That is just the reality of the situation.

Or, y'know. A decoy. Entrapment. Hell, if the originally exploited minor were to have confessed herself, we could have had Toon in jail like Nick Bate. Maybe she could still do that, but who knows at this point. We're likely past the time she could have used that as evidence.

 

[PsychoNerd054]

Aren't you two gonna fuck some time?

 

[Reynard]

Aren't you two gonna fuck some time?

They weren’t already?