2019-03-15 - Christchurch Complaints

[GethN7]

They might not be allowed to use torrent clients because of police regulations.

Plus why not give it to them?

Then that's another story, though I still do not see why a police officer cannot personally download a copy off the grounds of the police campus on their personal computers and then turn that over to their employers.

They will be getting the exact same footage as any civilian either way.

 

[yoke]

i think the response was a mistake. generally antagonizing law enforcement is a terrible idea and the response may well have been incriminating. as funny as Josh being a fugitive from Kiwi justice would be i don't think a warrant for his arrest is worth it for the memes. more importantly it's the kind of thing that will get outsider attention any response should have been targeted to an outside audience. meaning an explicit (none shitpost) statement that you are under US jurisdiction and will not capitulate to censorship from foreign state actors. KF being one of a shrinking number of sites supporting a hard line on free speech it's likely to be increasingly prominent in similar incidents or be the platform of choice for someone dumping newsworthy information. i would consider targeting future communications that are likely to draw attention towards a general audience's sympathies.

 

[janekop]

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-...-help-police-in-christchurch-terror-case.html

A man contacted by New Zealand Police with regards to Christchurch terror attack content being posted on his website has responded aggressively and mockingly.
Joshua Conner Moon, operator of Kiwi Farms, referred to Aotearoa as a "shithole country" with "f****t law" in an email he says he sent to a Detective Senior Sergeant.
Despite having 'Kiwi' in its name, the website has no association with New Zealand; rather, the name was adapted from its former title of 'CWCki Forums'.

Moon posted a copy of the detective's initial email, his response and a follow-up from the detective on Kiwi Farms. Other commenters applauded his move and also mocked New Zealand.
"Tell your superiors they're going to make the entire country and its government look like clowns by trying to censor the internet. You're a small, irrelevant island nation barely more recognisable than any other nameless pacific sovereignty [sic]," Moon says in his email.
"You do not have the clout to eradicate a video from the internet and you do not have the legal reach to imprison everyone whose posted it. If anyone turns over to you the information they're asking for they're not only cowards, but they're f**king idiots."

Kiwi Farms is a notorious website which originated as a spinoff from controversial imageboard 4chan.
A profile on NY Mag's Intelligencer describes Kiwi Farms as "the web's biggest community of stalkers", recounting how it was developed by a group of people to harass author Christine Weston Chandler.
"Kiwi Farms is about eccentric individuals and communities on the internet," the Kiwi farms website itself states.
"We call them lolcows because they can be milked for amusement or laughs. Our community is bizarrely diverse and spectators are encouraged to join the discussion."

Moon says that he is a US citizen based overseas, but claims Kiwi Farms is a company based in Florida.
Although the Christchurch terror attack was live-streamed, and the alleged gunman posted a link to the video and a so-called mainfesto on 8chan, Kiwi Farms was quick to provide its own links.
"At around the time of the shooting there were a number of posts and links posted on [Kiwi Farms] relating to the shooting," said the detective's email, which has been posted on Kiwi Farms.
"We would like to preserve any posts and technical data including IP addresses, email addresses etc linked to these posts pending a formal legal request.
"Could you please advise what legal process you require for this request and also confirm preservation of the data requested pending legal process."
The police have been approached for comment. At the time of publishing, the Kiwi Farms post with the emails to and from the detective has not been taken down.
Newshub.

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[Varglord]

The lugenpresse is here put on your cool face

 

[repentance]

i think the response was a mistake. generally antagonizing law enforcement is a terrible idea and the response may well have been incriminating. as funny as Josh being a fugitive from Kiwi justice would be i don't think a warrant for his arrest is worth it for the memes. more importantly it's the kind of thing that will get outsider attention any response should have been targeted to an outside audience. meaning an explicit (none shitpost) statement that you are under US jurisdiction and will not capitulate to censorship from foreign state actors. KF being one of a shrinking number of sites supporting a hard line on free speech it's likely to be increasingly prominent in similar incidents or be the platform of choice for someone dumping newsworthy information. i would consider targeting future communications that are likely to draw attention towards a general audience's sympathies.

We have never cared about being sympathetic to a general audience and we're not going to start now. We are not virtue signallers. The free speech we prize so much cannot exist if we adapt our speech for the approval of others. This community only works as well as it does because it's everyone's free speech and no-one needs to censor themselves because someone else might find their comments offensive.

Null is the real deal. He doesn't just espouse freedom of speech as an abstract concept - he lives it.

 

[Fish Doctor]

I can't believe my right to free speech is protected by an autistic man who can't say the word "over" correctly.

Thank you, Null

 

[Marvin]

i think the response was a mistake. generally antagonizing law enforcement is a terrible idea and the response may well have been incriminating. as funny as Josh being a fugitive from Kiwi justice would be i don't think a warrant for his arrest is worth it for the memes. more importantly it's the kind of thing that will get outsider attention any response should have been targeted to an outside audience. meaning an explicit (none shitpost) statement that you are under US jurisdiction and will not capitulate to censorship from foreign state actors. KF being one of a shrinking number of sites supporting a hard line on free speech it's likely to be increasingly prominent in similar incidents or be the platform of choice for someone dumping newsworthy information. i would consider targeting future communications that are likely to draw attention towards a general audience's sympathies.

fuck off pig

 

[Stock Image Photographer]

i think the response was a mistake. generally antagonizing law enforcement is a terrible idea and the response may well have been incriminating. as funny as Josh being a fugitive from Kiwi justice would be i don't think a warrant for his arrest is worth it for the memes. more importantly it's the kind of thing that will get outsider attention any response should have been targeted to an outside audience. meaning an explicit (none shitpost) statement that you are under US jurisdiction and will not capitulate to censorship from foreign state actors. KF being one of a shrinking number of sites supporting a hard line on free speech it's likely to be increasingly prominent in similar incidents or be the platform of choice for someone dumping newsworthy information. i would consider targeting future communications that are likely to draw attention towards a general audience's sympathies.

Getting real fucking sick of these concern-trolling newfags.

 

[GethN7]

i think the response was a mistake. generally antagonizing law enforcement is a terrible idea and the response may well have been incriminating. as funny as Josh being a fugitive from Kiwi justice would be i don't think a warrant for his arrest is worth it for the memes. more importantly it's the kind of thing that will get outsider attention any response should have been targeted to an outside audience. meaning an explicit (none shitpost) statement that you are under US jurisdiction and will not capitulate to censorship from foreign state actors. KF being one of a shrinking number of sites supporting a hard line on free speech it's likely to be increasingly prominent in similar incidents or be the platform of choice for someone dumping newsworthy information. i would consider targeting future communications that are likely to draw attention towards a general audience's sympathies.

This is fucking stupid.

This site is PROUD of it's "we don't give a fuck" culture of taking a shit on political correctness, and more to the point, NULL HAS NO FUCKING REASON TO COMPLY IN A LEGAL, ETHICAL, OR MORAL SENSE.

The New Zealand authorities are fucking embarrassed one of the most brutal massacres in over twenty years occurred on their soil and their cops were slow as fuck handling the situation, now they want to cover up the evidence they should be fired en masse for their incompetence.

Fuck those assholes for trying to punish the rest of the world for their fuckups.

 

[Splendid]

Getting real fucking sick of these concern-trolling newfags.

They'll learn, it takes a while to get out of the social media mindset.

 

[Stock Image Photographer]

They'll learn, it takes a while to get out of the social media mindset.

I just wish people would lurk first before posting. It seems like common courtesy to me.

 

[Splendid]

I just wish people would lurk first before posting. It seems like common courtesy to me.

Once again, social media mindset man. People don't lurk anymore, they immediately sign up for the hottest new thing under their real name and give hourly updates to anyone who cares about their exact location and what they're doing there.
Better to have new users and teach them how to behave on a more private forum like this than to never have them at all.

 

[Stock Image Photographer]

Once again, social media mindset man. People don't lurk anymore, they immediately sign up for the hottest new thing under their real name and give hourly updates to anyone who cares about their exact location and what they're doing there.
Better to have new users and teach them how to behave on a more private forum like this than to never have them at all.

Yeah, you're right. I think I'm just on edge because of that incredibly stupid "change everything" thread posted by a newbie earlier today.

 

[Odie Esty]

author Christine Weston Chandler.

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that is some high fucking praise for chris

 

[Jeremy Galt]

Ditto to all the above.
Supreme props to Null for finding a wheelbarrow large enough to carry his obviously engorged set of balls.

If I had a son.........

 

[Pixie]

Pretty much this, it's gatekeeping, pure and simple. Media does not like it when plebs do their jobs better than they can.

I never go to the news media for news. I always turn to sites like this.

 

[Kosher Salt]

"Tell your superiors they're going to make the entire country and its government look like clowns by trying to censor the internet. You're a small, irrelevant island nation barely more recognisable than any other nameless pacific sovereignty [sic]," Moon says in his email.

They bothered to localize localise the word "recognizable" in Null's email, but they apparently don't know how to Google that "sovereignty" means "a self-governing state"?

 

[Splendid]

Yeah, you're right. I think I'm just on edge because of that incredibly stupid "change everything" thread posted by a newbie earlier today.

There's a thread like this every few months, I think they come from people who just want a slightly edgier Reddit or don't like their pet issues being mocked.

 

[yoke]

We have never cared about being sympathetic to a general audience and we're not going to start now. We are not virtue signallers. The free speech we prize so much cannot exist if we adapt our speech for the approval of others. This community only works as well as it does because it's everyone's free speech and no-one needs to censor themselves because someone else might find their comments offensive.

Null is the real deal. He doesn't just espouse freedom of speech as an abstract concept - he lives it.

Josh has done an impressive amount to secure the forum from a technical standpoint. i view the biggest threat to the forum as legal action spurred on by media backlash. i'm advocating in the specific instance of high profile cases communication from site administration be aimed at winning friends in the broader discourse that it will get dragged into. in this case that would mean emphasizing American sovereignty, free speech, anti-censorship and the public interest of having the information available.

nothing i'm saying effects other users or means josh should stop being a degenerate feeder laughing at Internet speds, just basic PR when not doing it could endanger the site. my perspective is obviously about pragmatic survival rather than what i think is ideal. i'm probably more black pilled them most about the future of internet freedoms and think you have to play the game at least a bit to stay afloat, if not now in future.

This site is PROUD of it's "we don't give a fuck" culture of taking a shit on political correctness

wew lad

 

[BIG BILL HELL'S]

Joshua Conner Moon, operator of Kiwi Farms, referred to Aotearoa as a "shithole country" with "f****t law" in an email he says he sent to a Detective Senior Sergeant.

I just ? adore ? the use of three-naming here, like he's on par with some serial killer or something.