After-birth abortion: why should the baby live?

[Slap47]

I don't have any reason to believe that this isn't an attempt at instigating mass hysteria.

The Virginia governor was pretty clear with his words. After-birth abortions is a discussion now.

I think that makes sense, it is the logical conclusion of "it is dependent on the mother" due to the nature of parenthood and the umbilical cord.

Its absolutely fascinating that we've literally went in the direction of eugenics...

and treating women as literal cattle for fetuses to make medicine.

 

[Alberto Balsalm]

It's a real law that really passed. An attempt by who, upon who, and how is it not what it appears?

Let's put it this way: It would save pro-life advocates a lot of campaign money if legalizing post-birth abortion (i.e. infanticide) was a mainstream pro-choice position. That's not what I'm seeing with this ruling. The portions about infanticide were essentially redundant - I mean, what were they going to do, make it double-illegal? The only material issue was whether it should be permissible to deny life support to a nonviable infant on the grounds of futility, and that debate's been on for a while.

The Virginia governor was pretty clear with his words. After-birth abortions is a discussion now.

“There are, you know, when we talk about third trimester abortions, these are done with the consent of, obviously, the mother, with the consent of the physicians – more than one physician, by the way – and it’s done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that’s non-viable.

“So, in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.

I wouldn't define this scenario as an "after-birth abortion". Definitely not "executing", as it's been put.

 

[Healthyboy /s]

Without any sarcasm why are babies lives so special? And how can they be any more special than the woman's life they are bound to ruin? And I don't want to hear "oh shouldn't of gotten pregnant" because sometime you're not fucking enough to be taking birth control or that fucks with their bodies and condoms are like taking a shower with a raincoat... Pointless

 

[Lemmingwise]

And I don't want to hear "oh shouldn't of gotten pregnant" because sometime you're not fucking enough to be taking birth control

Sexual gratification is not an acceptable excuse for murdering innocents in any other situation. Well I suppose it is if you want to rape a german boy and you're a migrant and you have a sexual emergency, but besides that very reasonable situation of course, it's not an acceptable excuse. It's also not that the baby is more special than the woman's life, but it's also not true that a baby by definition ruins a life. And there's still adoption.

I won't say she shouldn't of gotten pregnant, so I'll say she shouldn't have gotten pregnant.

If you're not using birth control and you don't want a kid, try to go one night without fucking. You can still have sex, just not intercourse.

 

[Healthyboy /s]

If you're not using birth control and you don't want a kid, try to go one night without fucking. You can still have sex, just not intercourse.

Clearly someone whose never lied about putting on the condom and creampied her anyways.

Either way the people (3/4) I have met that went through adoption have tried to kill themselves, one was successful. So no adoption is not some mystical "we dodged that bullet" scenario.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Either way the people (3/4) I have met that went through adoption have tried to kill themselves, one was successful. So no adoption is not some mystical "we dodged that bullet" scenario.

Yes and somewhere between 25 and 50% of trans people end up killing themselves. Does this mean you support, let's give it a nice name, "empathic pre-emptive gender depression prevention"?

Or in other words, legally executing transgenders so that they won't end up killing themselves?

I should probably start writing that academic paper before someone else does. "Post-teen transgender abortion: Why should the tranny live?"

 

[Healthyboy /s]

Yes and somewhere between 25 and 50% of trans people end up killing themselves. Does this mean you support, let's give it a nice name, "empathic pre-emptive gender depression prevention"?

Or in other words, legally executing transgenders so that they won't end up killing themselves?

I should probably start writing that academic paper before someone else does. "Post-teen transgender abortion: Why should the tranny live?"

Oh boy Lemmingwise, I can see you're all heated up but do we know the phrase red-herring? Because you still didn't answer why babies lives are so special.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Because you still didn't answer why babies lives are so special.

I was half writing that comment for a laugh at the dark future that I find myself in and half seriously to make a point, but I must admit I wasn't ready for someone asking:

Why are babies lives so special?

Why indeed. Why can't we just kill em? Eat them? Good source of protein I'm sure. If you ever have a baby and I accidently kill it, it's no harm done right? You wouldn't want me punished for it, would you? How is that baby's life more special than mine? Why should it ruin my life because I killed your non-person baby?

Maybe you are right that I'm getting heated up a little bit, because my desire to perform a specific after-birth abortion is growing just a little tiny bit.

 

[Healthyboy /s]

I was half writing that comment for a laugh at the dark future that I find myself in and half seriously to make a point, but I must admit I wasn't ready for someone asking:

Why are babies live so special?

Why indeed. Why can't we just kill em? Eat them? Good source of protein I'm sure. If you ever have a baby and I accidently kill it, it's no harm done right? You wouldn't want me punished for it, would you? How is that baby's life more special than mine? Why should it ruin my life because I killed your non-person baby?

Cannibalism leads to that one parasite that makes you crazy. And an accident is an accident, won't bring the baby back.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Cannibalism leads to that one parasite that makes you crazy. And an accident is an accident, won't bring the baby back.

I meant an avoidable accident. What about that? An avoidable accident like your baby not surviving the game of kick the baby that I play with it?

 

[Professional iPad Hoarder]

Abortions pre and post birth should be legal, and then aborting those parents should be extra legal.

Abortion is only successful when the mother dies in the process

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Without any sarcasm why are babies lives so special? And how can they be any more special than the woman's life they are bound to ruin? And I don't want to hear "oh shouldn't of gotten pregnant" because sometime you're not fucking enough to be taking birth control or that fucks with their bodies and condoms are like taking a shower with a raincoat... Pointless

Without any sarcasm why are 2 year old's lives so special? How can they be any more special than the parent's lives they are bound to ruin?

When a mother gets post partem psychosis, and decides to drive her entire family off a bridge, why do we act like that's a bad thing? Why do we try to stop this kind of thing?

Why is healthyboy's life so special? How can he be more special than all the internet denizens whose life he is bound to ruin?

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Why is any life special? I should be able to kill anybody that inconveniences me, like the Jews, or politicians, or the people in my way.

 

[QWXXP Surprise!]

Clearly someone whose never lied about putting on the condom and creampied her anyways.

Dude I don't even know where to begin with this, because from any perspective this is just so many levels of fucked up.

If you're a woman and in that situation- why the fuck are you with sexual partners who would lie to you about something as fundamentally important as this? Like, are you doing hogtied, blindfolded, gagged extreme BDSM sex with someone you barely know? Because imo that's a special kind of illness. Sex isn't a fucking handshake, no matter how 'woke' 'sex-positive' people try to frame it as something that everyone can and should do with everybody. It carries real risks and dangers and that's why there are segments of the population who really earnestly feel like it should be something only people in committed relationships do- because of this kind of shit. If you're talking about rape, look, that's a different story. But being female and being able to get knocked up doesn't absolve you from responsibility when it comes to (consensual) sexual encounters. Part of this is on you to make sure you don't get knocked up or catch an STD- and part of that means weeding out shitty guys who would lie about something as crucial as keeping both of you safe during sex before you engage in risky behavior like that.

If you're a man and you're saying something like that. No, no, no. That is so tremendously fucked. The fact that you make an assumption that OP of the quote would actually do something so sociopathic, so fucking twisted is depressing. Normal men don't do that kind of thing because nine times out of ten, people are good. I know the internet, porn, Kiwifarms and the literal psychos that get dunked on this site can skew the perceptions of what is normal, but fucking someone under false pretenses for one's own sexual gratification isn't something that your run-of-the-mill ordinary guy does- that is pure narcissism-fueled sexual predation.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Dude I don't even know where to begin with this, because from any perspective this is just so many levels of fucked up.


If you're a man and you're saying something like that. No, no, no. That is so tremendously fucked. The fact that you make an assumption that OP of the quote would actually do something so sociopathic, so fucking twisted is depressing.

I know, but I don't even think he meant it in an accusing way, but rather in a nudge nudge wink wink, we all lie to women and secretly pull off the condom don't we?

Like wtf, lol.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

I know, but I don't even think he meant it in an accusing way, but rather in a nudge nudge wink wink, we all lie to women and secretly pull off the condom don't we?

Like wtf, lol.

Wait, are you saying you also don't sociopathically swap out women's birth control for placebos, poke holes in condoms, hide people's athsma drugs from them, or anything like that? But... you do tie razor wire between trees at neck level where kids ride dirtbikes, right?

No? We're not all serial killer level deranged fuckheads here? Oh good.

 

[AF 802]

Legalize murder of the majority party's enemies. If we can kill the baby, then we can kill the people who support killing the already born baby.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Getting an abortion past 12 weeks in the USA for selective reasons is almost impossible. Unless it's a back alley type thing. Be very suspicious of the ''born alive'' trope. Most born alive ''survivors'' Mother's definitely went the illegal route and this was likely many years ago.

 

[Emperor Julian]

Something something degeneracy, something something mexicans/white people dying out, something something were I don't admit I'm not married and don't have any kids.

 

[Jolyne THICCujoh]

I was really confused reading this thread cause I read the title as the rights for placentas.