Law ISIS brides ask not to be judged harshly - The traitorous whores have been through alot apparently

What are the wages of treason?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6694507/amp/ISIS-bride-tells-West-Dont-judge-harshly.html

ISIS bride tells the West: 'Don't judge us too harshly, we've been through an awful lot' as she flees terror group's last remaining territory that’s set to fall within days

An ISIS bride has pleaded not to be 'judged too harshly' after escaping the terror group's last remaining territory in Syria. The 46-year-old Canadian woman, Kimberley, said she 'didn't know all the politics' when she travelled to Syria as a 'humanitarian'.

She said she had been imprisoned by ISIS and escaped their last holdout in Baghouz, where tens of thousands of civilians have fled to opposition territory. Syrian fighters backed by the United States are battling to force ISIS out of Baghouz in a final push this week.

Speaking to ITV News at a Kurdish-controlled camp, she said: 'I knew that they were fighting but I didn't know all the politics. 'I came as a humanitarian, I came wanting to help to offer the skills that I had to help mainly women and children here. 'It's constant bombings, it's constant people fleeing, it's people fleeing, it's pulling bodies from houses, it's pulling children from houses as they collapse. 'I would say that for the women that are still there and for the children, that if you want to leave, come, you'll be OK. 'And I would say for the families back home, don't judge too harsh.

These people have been through an awful lot and they actually need your support and they need your help and they need their countries to back them up or you run the risk of them, some of them, becoming the very problem by pushing them away.' She said she wanted to be reunited with her family in Canada, where her sister said Kimberley had 'not acted rationally'. Syrian fighters are battling a fierce jihadist counteroffensive as they push to take the last scrap of land from ISIS in the east of the country, which may fall within days.

The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), backed by artillery fire from a U.S.-led coalition, launched the final push on the Iraqi border on Saturday. Up to 600 jihadists as well as hundreds of civilians are believed to remain inside the ISIS patch. Tens of thousands of people, mostly women and children related to ISIS fighters, have fled the shrinking jihadist holdout, many of them claiming they were not supporters of the terror group. On Monday the U.S.-led coalition maintained a steady beat of bombings on the area as the SDF faced ferocious resistance. The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said 12 SDF fighters and 19 jihadists were killed in the fighting on Monday. U.S. President Donald Trump said on Monday that the coalition may declare victory over IS in the region in the coming days.
 
If you open up a way to remove citizenship it leads to abuse. What happens if the bar is lowered to dissidence? If you remove it from naturalized citizens only then you're creating second class citizens.

A government works for it's citizens. The good, the bad, and the shitty. It shouldn't have the power to choose it's bosses. Try them as criminals and lock them up or execute them for treason. A responsible community sorts out its own problems.
The gov may want to execute them for their crime, but the butthurt and reeeeeing will be too enormous to hold down.
 
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'They deserve no mercy': Iraq deals briskly with accused 'women of Isis'
A Baghdad court has sentenced more than 40 foreign women to death after 10-minute hearings


'They deserve no mercy': Iraq deals briskly with accused 'women of Isis'
A Baghdad court has sentenced more than 40 foreign women to death after 10-minute hearings

In a small holding room in a Baghdad court, French citizen Djamila Boutoutao cradled her two-year-old daughter and begged for help.

Boutoutao, 29, is accused of being a member of Islamic State. Whispering in her native tongue within earshot of other accused Isis members – all foreigners like her – she said life had become unbearable.

“I’m going mad here,” said Boutoutao, a small bespectacled woman with a deadpan stare. “I’m facing a death sentence or life in prison. No one tells me anything, not the ambassador, not people in prison.”

Guards moved closer as Boutoutao continued. So did her fellow accused – all from central Asia or Turkey, who had all lost husbands and, in some cases, children as the Islamic State collapsed in Iraq last year.

“Don’t let them take my daughter away,” she pleaded. “I am willing to offer money if you can contact my parents. Please get me out of here.”

With that, the short conversation was shut down and Boutoutao returned to a corner, waiting for the judge in the adjoining room to summon her. There were no French officials present, and nothing at all to connect her to her former life in Lille. If convicted of joining the terrorist group, she faces life in a central Baghdad jail, or death by hanging.

All the 15 women in court last week had been widowed by the war that eventually ousted Isis from much of Iraq, killing tens of thousands of its members and replacing its promises of an Islamic utopia with a crushing defeat. The women here had in some cases willingly joined the group, travelling alone from Europe and central Asia, or with their partners, to what they believed to be a promised land.

More than 40,000 foreigners from 110 countries are estimated to have travelled to Iraq and Syria to join the jihadist group. Of those, around 1,900 are believed to have been French citizens, and around 800 were British.

Boutoutao arrived in Iraq in 2014, with her husband, Mohammed Nassereddine and two children. He was killed in Mosul in 2016 as was her son, Abdullah, one year later. She was captured by the Kurdish peshmerga in northern Iraq and eventually sent to Baghdad, where the fortified court in the centre of the capital has become a focal point of the post-Isis era.

Up to 1,000 women accused of belonging to Isis were rounded up from the ruins of Iraq’s towns and cities and are now being held in Baghdad to face a reckoning from a society and government that remains deeply scarred by the past four years, with much of their anger directed at foreign fighters and their families. Up to 820 infants accompany the women, with some others yet to be born.

The proceedings had a sense of urgency, and so did the 10-minute hearings in Baghdad’s central criminal court that have summarily dispensed with the accused foreign women, sentencing more than 40 to death, and dozens more to life in prison since the so-called caliphate crumbled.

Foreigners in particular, often carrying babies, are processed with an uncompromising efficiency rarely seen in other parts of Iraq’s judicial system. In mopping up the aftermath of Isis, the court system has taken on the role of bringing the country towards a closure. As Iraqis try to stitch their torn social fabric back together, a stark resentment remains towards the jihadists whose rampage took a toll on a national psyche that was yet to recover from sanctions, invasion and civil war.

France and other European countries remain hostile to those of their citizens who are now facing Iraqi courts, insisting they should face local justice abroad. The French government has shown some leniency towards children orphaned by the fighting, but none towards adults who made decisions to join the group.

Earlier this year, the defence minister Florence Parly said those who did make it back to France would be “held to account for their acts”. French officials have told their counterparts in the region, however, that those who failed to escape can expect no comfort.

With Isis now all but ousted from Iraq’s lands, there is little talk of reconciliation. Asked what he would say to the leader of Isis, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi if he was put in front of him, Sheikh Qais al-Khazali, the leader of one of Iraq’s most feared Shia paramilitary groups, Asa’ib ahl al-Haq, said: “I would tell him he failed. He wasn’t good enough. He was nothing and he is beneath us all.”

Mustafa Rashid, a car dealer in east Baghdad was similarly scathing about the foreign prisoners. “Be damned with them,” he said. “They deserve no mercy. The women too.”

In the same court a day earlier, an Iraqi woman had been cleared of all charges and released after successfully mounting a defence that her brother had forced her to join Isis. While some Iraqi women, and large numbers of men, have been sentenced to death for their roles in the terrorist group’s rampage, only a small number of foreign women have received any concession

“In the minds of Iraqis and the judiciary and the government, by virtue of the fact that you are foreign and chose to live in Isis territory there is a level of agency in what you did and more culpability,” said Belkis Wille, the senior researcher for Iraq for Human Rights Watch. “It is not the same in the case of Iraqi women, where very specific evidence is often lessening sentences. If you buy a plane ticket, cross a border and make your choices, you are far more exposed.”

The Baghdad courtroom was bustling with men who were shuffled into a dock in the centre of the room. A group of 12 were sentenced to death by hanging, then escorted back to cells. Next it was Zahraa Abdel Wahab Al Kaja’s turn. Just turned 17 years old, and originally from Tajikistan, she also cradled a baby, whom she had dressed in a hijab, and seemed disorientated.

“I was brought to Syria about five years ago with my mum and dad,” she said. “They married me to a Turkish man. He was good to me. This is his child. We settled in Iraq. My father and husband died. I am now imprisoned with my mother and daughter. I want to go back home, even though my country is no good. I didn’t wear hijab back home. Isis is good, it taught me how to cover myself.”

More women came and went: a Turk, a Russian, and two from Kyrgyzstan. In each case one of three judges asked several curt questions, then ordered the accused woman from the room. A prosecutor then made a short statement, and a defence lawyer read from a brief. Outside, one of the state-appointed defenders said he had not spoken with his client, and had only seen a summary of the investigation notes.

Human Rights Watch said that, despite its urging over the past two years, there had been no sign of lawyers playing a more proactive role, or the judiciary seeking more substantive evidence for prosecutions. Justice instead depended heavily on instinct, an official said during a break. “I’ve worked here for 10 years and I can tell who’s innocent with one look in their eyes. I can tell you horror stories and I can share moments of magic.”

Guards who bring the women from a nearby prison said most were unrepentant. “An Isis prisoner once asked me for something which I couldn’t provide and she called me an infidel.”

What to do with the children is a more vexing question for Iraqi authorities. Some infants chewed on apples while their mothers waited for their hearings. Others were passed around the women who each took turns at calming them.

“They will grow up to be just like [their mothers],” said one of the guards. “No, it’s a sin to say that,” said another. “All children are innocent.”

“Maybe,” came the reply. “But let’s finish with this quickly. There are still so many of them.”

This is probably the most satisfying read about this whole "jihadi whore" situation in a long time.
 
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I do feel bad for the 17-year-old, she was brought over at 12 by her parents, raped, and brainwashed, but I don't know how to deprogram her.

I feel bad for her too, as she clearly didn't have much of a choice. Wonder what happened to her.

Nah, how's about bringing public stake burnings out of retirement?

Burning to death is probably one of the worst ways to die tbf, and not everyone gets the luxury of death from smoke inhalation. There's no need to be unnecessarily sadistic.
If you want a proper public execution, I'd recommend a nifty French thing called the guillotine. I heard it used to work great with crowds.
 
'They deserve no mercy': Iraq deals briskly with accused 'women of Isis'
A Baghdad court has sentenced more than 40 foreign women to death after 10-minute hearings




This is probably the most satisfying read about this whole "jihadi whore" situation in a long time.

While I should feel something towards these women, I don't. The fact that they willingly left their own homes from whatever country they were born in, just to join a husband with an Islamic Terrorist group. They kinda deserve what ever it is that they get. I should be sad that these women are getting killed, but I'm not. Now if they were sold or kidnapped that's one thing. But these women should blame nobody but themselves. Because nobody with a conscious would willingly join themselves with a Terrorist group.
 
'Jihadi Jack' interview: Jack Letts says he wants to return to the UK from Syria as he 'misses his mum, pasties and Doctor Who'

A British man known as Jihadi Jack has said he wants to return home after being held in a Kurdish prison for two years, but doubts that the UK will bring him back.

Jack Letts said he missed his mother and British life, including pasties and Doctor Who, in a new interview shown today.

The 23-year-old from Oxford is accused of travelling to Syria to fight for Islamic State.

He told ITV News: “If the UK accepted me then I’d go back to the UK, it’s my home. But I don’t think that’s going to happen.”

“I miss people mostly. I miss my mum. I know that sounds a bit toddler-ish.

“Even if I could just see my mum – I would just like a phone call, I don’t know if Britain can do that for me here, but I’d like just a phone call to my mum – it’s been two years.”

Mr Letts also has a Canadian passport thanks to his father's nationality, but admitted: "I don't know if that will still be valid."

Mr Letts' parents, John Letts and Sally Lane, from Chilswell Road, Oxford, are awaiting trial in the UK accused of sending money to their son.

They have denied three charges of funding terrorism.

He converted to Islam while at Cherwell comprehensive school in Oxford.

He first travelled to the Middle East in 2014, aged 18, after dropping out of A-level study. He ventured to Syria via Jordan.

Mr Letts married an Iraqi woman who has since given birth to his son.

When asked about the Paris terror attacks in 2015, Mr Letts told reporters: “To be honest at the time – I thought it was a good thing. Not that people who had nothing to do with it got killed.”

He added that he had seen children being “burnt alive” in bombings and has since realised that the Paris attack victims had nothing to do with it.

His comments come as ISIS bride Shamima Begum had her British citizenship removed after travelling to Syria to join IS.


The 19-year-old claims she wants to return to the UK with her baby.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...-to-the-uk-as-he-misses-his-mum-a4074476.html
 
Even some of the professional cucks at Swedish public service is starting to get uppity and dare to push back.

Imprisoned IS-member: "Why not just take us home?"

SVT's team(swedish publish service) met today one of the Swedish IS-members who after the terrorist organizations defeats surrendered to Kurdish military forces. Now he wants help to return to Sweden.
- I was living in a sect and I'm regretting it, he says.

The Swedish suspected IS-terrorist have been part of the terror organization since 2013. 2014 their leader declared that a caliphate in the lands they had taken in Syria and Iraq, a reign of terror then started and unimaginable crimes were perpetrated under the flag of ISIS.

Beheadings, crucifixions, maimings; genocide of ethnic and religious groups. Parallel to that deadly terrorist attacks have been committed in several European cities, ordered by or inspired by IS. During the past the caliphate has crumbled.

When the terror sects last strongholds fell a couple of weeks ago the Swedish IS-member fled with his wife and kids, the area they were in had been bombed by both the Syrian army and the coalition forces. SVT's team, sent by Korrespondenterna(tv-show), became the first Swedes to visit the Kurdish military base where he is imprisoned.

- There was no food and the prices were ludicrous, a kilo of rice cost $100. Quite a lot of children died from starvation, the IS-member says.

Q: You lived there for so long before you tried to leave? I cannot interpret that in any way other than you liked it and felt comfortable there.

- One lived a family life. You had your kids and your wife. You took them to the park.

Q: And on the road into Raqqa you could see heads on spikes?

- That might have happened some times. But it's not like I've seen heads on pikes every time I've passed the turnabout.

Q: But you have seen it? Or else you haven't been in Raqqa, everyone who has been there has told the same story.

- Yes, I might have seen it, of course.

Q: Have you killed someone or participated in combat/fighting for IS?

- No, I was an ambulance driver and picked up injured soldiers and civilians.

Violence and murder targeting civilians.
The reports of how IS have murdered, raped and enslaved civilians in Syria and Iraq are many. Even kids have been introduced to their practices, in pictures that IS-member themselves have spread small children can be seen posing with guns and dead bodies. STV's team shows the man a picture from a video that shows how a small child is cutting the throat of one of IS's prisoners.

- I reject those kind of things.

Q: But you haven't rejected it for many years?

- I did nothing like that. Things got out of hand and if questioned they whitewashed it(alt: tried to not give an answer by deflecting).

Q: You organization showed no compassion to anyone else. What is that would makes us(in Sweden) show compassion to you?

- That's a good question. I can only say that I was an individual in an organization and I didn't stand for everything it did, he says.

Q: Do you want to say something to the Swedish government?

- Why not just bring us home? If anyone is suspected of anything they have a justice system that can look into it. I was living in a sect and I'm remorseful, that I lived like that. I'm prepared to take responsibility, what ever that might be.

SVT's team also visited a refugee camp in Syria where imprisoned IS-members families keep locked up, many of them have surrendered themselves. Here we find the Swedish IS-members wife and their children. The woman tells us what it was like to live with IS before they decided to surrender to the Kurds.

- There was a lot of hunger, there were days where couldn't feed the children instead we put them to be. We picked grass off the ground and that's what we ate. Children died of hunger and it was very hard.

The life in a refugee camp is hard, now she wants to go home to Sweden.

- I'm tired of living in this shit country, I just want to be able to wake up one day in Sweden and put the last 6 years behind. Just take them(the kids) to the park and play, take them to zoo's and swimming classes.

When asked why the Swedes should take her back, despite choosing to live in an organization that despises the western world and wanted to kill everyone there, she responds:

- I believe in the Swedes humility, I believe in the Swedes justice and I know that Swedes believe in second chances.

Q: But your organization didn't forgive anyone, your organization took people and shot them to death.

- They did do that, but I have not done it.

Q: But you were with them.

- I have not signed a paper on being with them.

 
This is why a lot of people don’t want her back. Because the system is far too lenient on these treasonous whores, since any crimes they may have committed happened in Syria and can’t be proven.
The only charge that’s broadly applied to them is “association of wrongdoers in relation with a terrorist enterprise” for her communication with terrorist sympathisers in the UK.
And again, the maximum amount of time any IS bride got was 7 years, and that was in France, right after the terror attacks, so the courts were “a bit harsh” in her judgement.

Surely she could be tried for High Treason doggy:

 
Meh, I have zero faith that the justice systems in the west would mete out the punishment that these worthless, entitled, holes rightfully deserve (see above example of the FBI turncoat who only got 2 years). If these were men, I'd say maybe there's a chance but...

The second they went to trial, we'd be bombarded (both from the defense and the fucking media) with the narrative of, "oohhhh they're helpless women, ohhh they're poor mothers who lost children, oh muh victimhood, muh religion of peace" and some shithead judge would give them a light sentence because anything else "wouldn't do them any good."

Pussy pass denied. Let them all die in a camp somewhere.
And on top of that, all sorts of white, middle class twenty year old women would be having their anti-bacchanal protests in support against the patriarchy for her. It's always evil white men, in the face of all evidence. The left doesn't do rationality. The left doesn't do science.

Keep all those scumbags out of the west, and their children, too. They laid their bed. (The children thing is harder, and I think the only solution was mentioned earlier: adopted away, changed name, raised completely without any connection to that influence.)
 
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Guess the US jihadi thot won’t be getting back after all.

The Dems are ranting and raving about it. But there isn't much they can do. It turns out she never was a Citizen and fraudulently applied for a US Passport. She was born to a Yemeni Diplomat in the US. Weirdly the US Constitution expressly prohibits the children of foreign diplomats from gaining birthright citizenship. So the US may have dodged that bullet.
 
So the US may have dodged that bullet.

When I step back and look at all this in perspective it doesn't seem like we dodged a bullet in this particular instance as much as there just weren't nearly as many American ISIS members as most other western nations. I've been seeing stories like this for months, European woman from Moscow to London and a decent number from Canada's as well, but this woman is the first claiming to be American I can remember.

I'm sure there are others but they didn't get any media attention.
 
Surely she could be tried for High Treason doggy:


That’s the thing - the Treason Act 1351 is most likely not engaged here since the offenses that whore committed were in Syria (and thus a matter for Syrian authorities).

She can only be prosecuted for offenses committed in the UK, which are way harder to prove, and will probably fall under the charge of « association of wrongdoers in relation with a terrorist enterprise », and that charge isn’t really damning.

That and the Treason Act was last used in WW2, and hasn’t been applied to any returning terrorist so far.
 
That’s the thing - the Treason Act 1351 is most likely not engaged here since the offenses that whore committed were in Syria (and thus a matter for Syrian authorities).

She can only be prosecuted for offenses committed in the UK, which are way harder to prove, and will probably fall under the charge of « association of wrongdoers in relation with a terrorist enterprise », and that charge isn’t really damning.

That and the Treason Act was last used in WW2, and hasn’t been applied to any returning terrorist so far.
No time like the present to start. Set an example and make sure they know if they play stupid games they win stupid prizes.
 
When I step back and look at all this in perspective it doesn't seem like we dodged a bullet in this particular instance as much as there just weren't nearly as many American ISIS members as most other western nations. I've been seeing stories like this for months, European woman from Moscow to London and a decent number from Canada's as well, but this woman is the first claiming to be American I can remember.

I'm sure there are others but they didn't get any media attention.

For all the issues that the left tries to claim about race, immigrants tend to integrate much better than in other countries. Second generation Asians are all but fully american where second generation Asians in the Europe tend to stay within their community. Its hard to give a fuck about the levant when you are living in paradise.
 
With Trump at the helm the piss-ants of ISIS have felt the sting of true military opposition, and now destruction. And just as with any army of men who see themselves as righteous, and true, the broken survivors will flee in all directions. Some vowing to fight on, to get revenge. Others will go into hiding, thinking of their failures, and dead comrades for the rest of their lives. Maybe even finding peace with their lots, and regretting their past. And then you get the cowards. The pathetic fucking cowards who will cry that they were victims to avoid the sting of the weapons that slaughtered those who they proudly stood by, only when they were winning.

These women who fled the West to be brides to ISIS fighters, and the men who fled to be fighters, should be strung upon crosses for the Middle-East to behold. Death to traitors.:aug::jaceknife:
 
The Dems are ranting and raving about it. But there isn't much they can do. It turns out she never was a Citizen and fraudulently applied for a US Passport. She was born to a Yemeni Diplomat in the US. Weirdly the US Constitution expressly prohibits the children of foreign diplomats from gaining birthright citizenship. So the US may have dodged that bullet.
Her dad is no longer a diplomat and is currently just a national, not a citizen. My honest question is: what the hell is he still doing here? If he's no longer working as a diplomat for the UN, is there a provision for diplomats to apply for citizenship or something, or is Yemen considered too dangerous to go back?
 
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