Law ISIS brides ask not to be judged harshly - The traitorous whores have been through alot apparently

What are the wages of treason?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6694507/amp/ISIS-bride-tells-West-Dont-judge-harshly.html

ISIS bride tells the West: 'Don't judge us too harshly, we've been through an awful lot' as she flees terror group's last remaining territory that’s set to fall within days

An ISIS bride has pleaded not to be 'judged too harshly' after escaping the terror group's last remaining territory in Syria. The 46-year-old Canadian woman, Kimberley, said she 'didn't know all the politics' when she travelled to Syria as a 'humanitarian'.

She said she had been imprisoned by ISIS and escaped their last holdout in Baghouz, where tens of thousands of civilians have fled to opposition territory. Syrian fighters backed by the United States are battling to force ISIS out of Baghouz in a final push this week.

Speaking to ITV News at a Kurdish-controlled camp, she said: 'I knew that they were fighting but I didn't know all the politics. 'I came as a humanitarian, I came wanting to help to offer the skills that I had to help mainly women and children here. 'It's constant bombings, it's constant people fleeing, it's people fleeing, it's pulling bodies from houses, it's pulling children from houses as they collapse. 'I would say that for the women that are still there and for the children, that if you want to leave, come, you'll be OK. 'And I would say for the families back home, don't judge too harsh.

These people have been through an awful lot and they actually need your support and they need your help and they need their countries to back them up or you run the risk of them, some of them, becoming the very problem by pushing them away.' She said she wanted to be reunited with her family in Canada, where her sister said Kimberley had 'not acted rationally'. Syrian fighters are battling a fierce jihadist counteroffensive as they push to take the last scrap of land from ISIS in the east of the country, which may fall within days.

The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), backed by artillery fire from a U.S.-led coalition, launched the final push on the Iraqi border on Saturday. Up to 600 jihadists as well as hundreds of civilians are believed to remain inside the ISIS patch. Tens of thousands of people, mostly women and children related to ISIS fighters, have fled the shrinking jihadist holdout, many of them claiming they were not supporters of the terror group. On Monday the U.S.-led coalition maintained a steady beat of bombings on the area as the SDF faced ferocious resistance. The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said 12 SDF fighters and 19 jihadists were killed in the fighting on Monday. U.S. President Donald Trump said on Monday that the coalition may declare victory over IS in the region in the coming days.
 
I mean, the REEE brigade will find it hard to complain as normally because Sajid isn't white.

I'll bet they certainly want to.
No, they won't have an issue complaining. If you are BAME and not Labour, you are a token, a race traitor, or an uncle tom. They have no problem calling James Cleverly a "little token boy" and I'm sure they will have no problem doing the same with Javid. Either you are on the plantation or you are no different, same as the US and Democrats I suppose.
 
Man unpopular opinion but I disagree with stripping anybody of their citizenship for any reason other than a fraudulent application. Despite what "refugees" think, citizenship is more than a membership card.
 
Muthana is there with her 18-month-old son. The child's father is not alive. Two of her previous husbands, both Islamic State militants, are also dead. Muthana is not allowed to leave the camp and has armed guards protecting her from Islamic State sympathizers.

"The government needs to engage with her, but not just her; all of these people who joined ISIS" from the West, said Hassan Shibly, a legal representative for the Muthana family. "If she broke the law, then the justice system can deal with her, and if she didn't break the law, she should come back anyway, so it can be determined if she is a threat."

I feel like a drone strike would be a good government engagement.

Man unpopular opinion but I disagree with stripping anybody of their citizenship for any reason other than a fraudulent application. Despite what "refugees" think, citizenship is more than a membership card.

Maybe we should extend that to fraudulent applications and also high treason.
 
Yeah, in the interview they ask if she knew about the beheadings and violence and such. She said yes, and felt it was ok, because she had recently learned islam allows that shit.

Nope, sorry, you joined a movement to KILL US for not being part of your cult. No, fuck you forever, you can't come back, now please go die.
 
Man unpopular opinion but I disagree with stripping anybody of their citizenship for any reason other than a fraudulent application. Despite what "refugees" think, citizenship is more than a membership card.

You're right that it's more than a membership card, but there have to be limits. In this case, she made it clear where her loyalties lay, and it wasn't with us.
 
Nice change of pace innit?

I think the govt is lock step with public opinion on this one though. I haven't talked to a single person who thought she should be allowed to come to the UK.
She picked a real bad time to try it. The political climate in the UK being what it currently is re immigration, letting an unrepentent member of ISIS into the country would have been absolute gold for the government's opponents. I've not spoken to anyone, left or right wing, who think this was the wrong call. She still believes in the ideology of ISIS, her only regret is that it turns out that a shitty warzone run by insane theocratic misogynistic medievalists isn't the paradise she was told it was.
 
And now its America's turn. Shame we don't have any legal way to strip her of her citizenship. She should definitely be charged with Treason though. The sentence needs to be death, of course.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ts-face-us-justice-return-alabama/2914244002/



*edit* USA today stupidly left the comments on. Some seriously hot takes that are renewing my faith in America

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Guess the US jihadi thot won’t be getting back after all.
 
The only ISIS brides I have sympathy for are the ones that were kidnapped or forced into it. I have no problem with these treasonous cunts getting what they deserve. I'm glad that they're getting it. They knew what they were signing up for. Naivety only goes so far. Sorry, but it's very hard to forgive treason. Have fun in your shithole.
 
She picked a real bad time to try it. The political climate in the UK being what it currently is re immigration, letting an unrepentent member of ISIS into the country would have been absolute gold for the government's opponents. I've not spoken to anyone, left or right wing, who think this was the wrong call. She still believes in the ideology of ISIS, her only regret is that it turns out that a shitty warzone run by insane theocratic misogynistic medievalists isn't the paradise she was told it was.

You must not have been to reddit's UK politics.
 
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Guess the US jihadi thot won’t be getting back after all.
...and her parents are already trying to bring her back despite their excuse that the father’s job as a diplomat gives them citizenship doesn’t actually give them any in the first place:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...d/middleeast/isis-bride-hoda-muthana.amp.html

Have fun trying to plead to the masses to bring back your treasonous daughter who made the choice to sleep with the enemy and only felt sorry she was caught. Especially in fucking Alabama. :story:
 
Seems like every country has issues with returning terrorist thots. I checked out the French news, since France as a country has produced twice as many "Western fighters" as any other EU country, as seen in the chart below (for those curious).

Turns out, yes there is a French equivalent to Shamima Begum, though they failed to produce as much outrage as their Anglo-Saxon counterpart. I have translated the article in the quote below since I doubt many of you speak French. I have also provided my own comments in parenthesis and italics. Enjoy!

Chloé and Chaïma, the French held in Syria: "We aren't animals"
(Funnily enough, another article has as title : Chloé and Chaïma, two runaways from ISIS: "They told us they'd kill us, they'd rape us" , which is a huge misnomer given how unrepentant and terrorist-y they appear in the body of the article).
They fled the Islamic State (IS), agonising in the East of Syria, motivated more by hunger than remorse: Chloé and Chaïma, two French women met by AFP are ready to come back home, but without sacrificing their rigorous Islam, and to be judged their fairly, not like "animals".

Behind the fence of the immense refugee camp Al-Hol in the province of Hassake (North-East), the young prisoners, whose names have been changed, are draped in a long niqab that only shows their eyes and flanked by three dirty, little children.

Just like the some 500 other female foreigners that came these past months, they are followed closely by members of the Kurdish forces on the dry, ocher plain: captured in the last villages held by the IS along the Euphrates, they are being suspected of having kept its radical and violently anti-Western ideology (no shit).

From the start, they warn the AFP team that they will not provide any detail allowing to identify them to avoid seeing their names broadcast and their families stigmatised in France.

The more talkative one, Chloé, 29, is from the Lyon region and aims to send a message, her bright blue gaze fixed on her interlocutors: "We aren't animals. We are human beings. We have a heart, a soul, that's it". (no, they are animals. And they behave as such, rutting in the dirt with crazy fanatics).

A week ago, AFP had already crossed paths with her at the exit of the village of Baghouz, where the IS is still entrenched in its last stand.

Each knows that in France, the government hesitates to repatriate women and children of jihadists, a sensitive topic in a country still deeply scarred by the terror attacks committed since 2015. With an even more suspicious outlook on those that have accompanied IS up until its last retrenchments.

To live (her) Islam"

"We didn't agree" with the IS fighters, affirms Chaïma, some thirty years old, who fled two weeks ago with her husband and her children to surrender to Kurd forces.

"But we couldn't say anything, we had to stay silent", she says, her voice tainted by a light Southern accent.

Chloé joins in: "The IS fighters scared us, they told us "We will kill you, rape you"." She says she fled with the help of a people smuggler for $50 (44 euros).

After these last weeks of anxiety, surrounded by Kurds, avoiding bombings, and without any food to give to her 3 children, Chaïma says she wants to come back to France, notably for her family.

Chloé too, but with one condition : that she could "live (her) Islam freely, and with (her) children." (just look at that level of entitlement, that thot actually thinks she's in a position to put any conditions for her return. She should be begging, on her knees, to be forgiven by the French, not turn her nose up and make demands)

Her voice suddenly more tired, she tells how she lost two daughters, aged two years and a half and six, in a bombing a year and a half ago.

But no spirit of vengeance, she assures, considering that her extreme suffering prevents her from: "My children have been killed, it's not tomorrow that I will go and kill someone". (But what about the day after tomorrow? That part really doesn't sound convincing to me, especially when that British thot motivated terror attacks to be exactly in a spirit of vengeance, which all these brainwashed cultists follow and obey).

"Snatching our children"

What is true in the tales of these two French women? They provide uncheckable details about their journey, their marriages, their life, described as pacific, with their husbands working in civil posts, a classic among IS prisoners.

Un eclectic tale where they express at the same time their letdown about the IS, first seen as an ideal to "live one's Islam freely" but that ended up "executing a lot of people for nothing, without proof, even Muslims", says Chloé.

But they also keep themselves from condemning the Paris 2015 terror attacks. "People that did that wanted revenge" for French bombings in Syria, she explains. (And again, the theme of revenge, just like with Shamima Begum's narrative)

They say to be guided nowadays by two things: the persisting attachement to a rigorous Islam and the protection of their children.

They already fear what is in store for children born to jihadi once they come back to France, that they would be separated from their parents since the latter will be arrested for their belonging to the IS. (They make it sound so unjust. Like "omg the government is after our children, they're gonna place them with CPS, not with their loving families" when we're talking about criminals. And they should be afraid. I hope they never see their children again, should they come back.)

"They will snatch our children, put them in centres or host families, they will be separated from one another and grow up in a way that contradicts the education we want to give them", worries Chloé. "There is a lot of things in France that are against our religion, like homosexuality for instance. That's forbidden in the religion". (Don't let gay Muslim activists hear you say that, fucking thot).

They also hope that, should they return to France, they would get a light sentence. "I hope that we will be judged equitably, case by case, not for everything the group has done," says Chloé.

Chaïma wants a "prison sentence that's not too long, that can be converted" to allow her to "enjoy her kids" because "they're the only things left to me," her husband having been arrested as well.

Without a doubt a pious wish: last year, a French woman judged in Paris for having lived with her 3 kids in Syria in 2015, where she married a member of the IS, had been sentenced to 7 years in jail.

Sources: https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/chloe-...est-pas-des-animaux-18-02-2019-2294275_24.php
https://www.nouvelobs.com/monde/201...-disaient-on-va-vous-egorger-vous-violer.html (other article, where I only quoted the title, but basically says the same thing).

I can't believe how entitled and unrepentant these fucking whores are. It's not even comparable to women that slept with Nazis, who didn't get the privilege of remaining anonymous behind the bed linen they call clothes post-war.

Where women that slept with Nazis willingly might have done so out of survival instinct, to be spared, or to get preferential treatment in occupied countries, these Islamist thots actually left and traveled many thousands of miles to join a terrorist cult. They didn't do it to protect themselves, no. They wanted to be a part of the murderous organisation and be the "queens" of the new world order ISIS was trying to create, top of the food chain, if you will. And now that their ideal society with them at the top collapsed, they come crawling back to the Western one.

So, if women that slept with Nazis got their heads shaved and publicly shamed for years, what should these thots get?
If it were up to me, I'd shave them, strip away all of their drapery, and make them publicly renounce the shitty cult they call religion. Wonder what their fellow terrorists would think if they saw them "repent". No doubt they'd become infidels in their eyes too. Oh and take away their children and raise them in wholesome Western families, far, far away from Islam. Even better if their adoptive parents are homosexual. Now that would be downright karmic punishment.

And I can't emphasise how much their sense of entitlement annoys me. Perhaps it is because they believe that being French should give them preferential treatment? Being a immigrant in France myself, it just irks me to see these pieces of human garbage reject French, and Western values in general, and then just try to come waltz back there, certain them, their families, and their twisted little ideologies will be left alone after serving minimal prison time.

In Dante's Inferno, the deepest, most vile circle of Hell was reserved for traitors. They were bound there, immobile in a lake of ice, with just their heads emerged for passersby like Dante to kick. Back in the Middle Ages, high treason in European countries was met with extraordinary punishment - being hanged, drawn, and quartered.
I don't know when treason became the norm, instead of one of the most serious crimes a person can commit, but it seems that nowadays, you can betray anything, anyone, and any value, and get away with it. As illustrated by all the previous cases of tried Jihadi thots, the most notable one being that FBI translator that defected to ISIS before coming back, and got only 2 years (https://www.samaa.tv/global/2017/05/fbi-agent-fled-us-to-marry-daesh-member-in-syria/) and now works as a hotel hostess.
I don't think it's right. In Russia, these whores would get shot or quietly liquidated. And this is how it should be.
 
Aghast that Muslims would kill other Muslims...... but Muslims bombing Frenchmen? That's fine... if my future-neighbors get blown up, they deserved it (assuming they weren't Muslim too), so, when do I get to move back in?

Yeah, choke on a stale baguette you (REDACTED)
 
You're right that it's more than a membership card, but there have to be limits. In this case, she made it clear where her loyalties lay, and it wasn't with us.

If you open up a way to remove citizenship it leads to abuse. What happens if the bar is lowered to dissidence? If you remove it from naturalized citizens only then you're creating second class citizens.

A government works for it's citizens. The good, the bad, and the shitty. It shouldn't have the power to choose it's bosses. Try them as criminals and lock them up or execute them for treason. A responsible community sorts out its own problems.
 
The UK govt wouldn't have standing in such a case. Any terrorism she's been involved with took place in Syria. She hasn't done any terrorism or treason against the UK.

The point of revoking her citizenship is to not give her the opportunity. Joining a group whose doctrine is basically "death to the west" makes her intentions clear. We don't need any more of these poisonous individuals in our country than we already have.
 
I don't see the point of revoking her citizenship, better to try her for treason or aiding and abetting terrorism.

(Quite frankly, I think the latter would be a far worse punishment. But that's just me)

Meh, I have zero faith that the justice systems in the west would mete out the punishment that these worthless, entitled, holes rightfully deserve (see above example of the FBI turncoat who only got 2 years). If these were men, I'd say maybe there's a chance but...

The second they went to trial, we'd be bombarded (both from the defense and the fucking media) with the narrative of, "oohhhh they're helpless women, ohhh they're poor mothers who lost children, oh muh victimhood, muh religion of peace" and some shithead judge would give them a light sentence because anything else "wouldn't do them any good."

Pussy pass denied. Let them all die in a camp somewhere.
 
I don't see the point of revoking her citizenship, better to try her for treason or aiding and abetting terrorism.

(Quite frankly, I think the latter would be a far worse punishment. But that's just me)

Just like they tried the FBI translator that defected? Or any other returning whore in Western Europe? They get 2-3 years max, often reduced due to young age / children, and then are free to return to society and raise a new generation of future mujahideen.
Religious fanatics like them are the worst, and I can understand why, under current legislation, it's easier to leave them to rot abroad.

If you're going to bring back jihadi thots and other ISIS members, at least convict them properly. High treason shouldn't give you less time than robbery for instance. At least imo.

And do you think these whores will be "thankful" to the West for their laughably small sentences? No. They'll still hate and despise you for even daring to convict them for their true and proper religious beliefs.
 
True, although as her lawyer pointed out, not letting her come back kind of gives her an out -- she doesn't have to be tried or stand accountable for her actions.

Granted that IS her lawyer, but what's to stop her from finding away from traveling somewhere else, and hiding out there, if she can find some other country to accept her? Sort of like Roman Polanski. (Not quite the same thing, I know, but still)

If they're willing to throw the book at her, then don't let her get away with it. THAT is why I think she should come back. Not just go back to her old life.


(Yeah, I know, it probably won't happen. The whole situation is fucked up)
 
I think most people would support Shamina Begum’s return if she was guaranteed a firing squad or life in prison. God knows, I would.

The outcry about barring her from coming back to the UK has more to do with the fact that everyone knows that, should it happen, she’ll get off with a very light sentence, further reduced due to her age at the time of the defection and that she has a newborn.
Then she’ll get a government sponsored flat to accomodate both her and her family at the expense of the taxpayers, and reintegrate society to further promote islamist ideology.

This is why a lot of people don’t want her back. Because the system is far too lenient on these treasonous whores, since any crimes they may have committed happened in Syria and can’t be proven.
The only charge that’s broadly applied to them is “association of wrongdoers in relation with a terrorist enterprise” for her communication with terrorist sympathisers in the UK.
And again, the maximum amount of time any IS bride got was 7 years, and that was in France, right after the terror attacks, so the courts were “a bit harsh” in her judgement.

Just imagine living in the same building as that jihadi whore after she’s released (if she’s even condemned in the first place). So you smile at her and say “hi” in the hallways, because you wouldn’t want to alienate her. Because you heard that exclusion leads to radicalisation.
But at the same time, you wouldn’t be able to stop yourself from shuddering and tensing up whenever you hear “Allah” being cried by her or her growing son through the paper thin walls.
Her life there must be way worse than the Islamic paradise she’s known in Syria. Who knows when she’ll snap again?

For better or worse, she’s already guilty in the court of public opinion, and nothing good awaits her in Britain. Sure, the penal system will be lenient and merciful towards her, but I wouldn’t put it past someone to just take her out in a street, somewhere.

I was in a bar with friends on the same street as the 2015 Paris terror attacks. It was actually my first and only day in Paris before getting back to uni in London what with the end of the fall break, and we had the best idea ever to go around bars near Bastille since the beer’s way cheaper there.
Thank God none of my friends or people in the bar we were at got targeted, but it was very close. And I wouldn’t want to relive it ever again.
And seeing all of these jihadi whores speak lightly of their respective countries’ tragedies makes me really wish somebody would just beat them to death like they and their loving hubbies did to those that tried to escape ISIS.

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These #woke people are the best.
 
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