Law Trans Military Ban Allowed By Supreme Court - You know what that means...

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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/22/us/politics/transgender-ban-military-supreme-court.html
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/22/politics/scotus-transgender-ban/index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...deo.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.bfba89618459

NYT article dijo:
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Tuesday revived the Trump administration’s policy of barring most transgender people from serving in the military. In a brief, unsigned order, the justices temporarily allowed the ban to go into effect while cases challenging it move forward.

The vote was 5 to 4, with the court’s five conservative members in the majority and its four liberal members in dissent.

The administration had also asked the justices to hear immediate appeals from trial court rulings blocking the policy. The court turned down those requests without comment.

The policy, announced on Twitter by President Trump and refined by the defense secretary at the time, Jim Mattis, generally prohibits people identifying with a gender different from their biological sex from military service. It makes exceptions for several hundred transgender people already serving openly and for those willing to serve “in their biological sex.”

The Supreme Court granted stays of two other injunctions, issued by Federal District Court judges in California and Washington State, both in the Ninth Circuit.

Solicitor General Noel J. Francisco, representing the administration, had argued that the stays were needed to address a troubling phenomenon.

“It is with great reluctance that we seek such emergency relief in this court,” Mr. Francisco wrote. “Unfortunately, this case is part of a growing trend in which federal district courts, at the behest of particular plaintiffs, have issued nationwide injunctions, typically on a preliminary basis, against major policy initiatives.”

“Such injunctions previously were rare, but in recent years they have become routine,” he wrote. “In less than two years, federal courts have issued 25 of them, blocking a wide range of significant policies involving national security, national defense, immigration and domestic issues.”

Mr. Francisco did not ask the justices to address a separate injunctionfrom a federal trial judge in Maryland, but the Supreme Court’s action on Tuesday will presumably cause lower courts to stay that one, too.

Advocates for transgender rights welcomed the court’s decision not to hear immediate appeals from trial court rulings blocking the policy.

“In declining to hear these cases, the Supreme Court saw through the administration’s contrived efforts to gin up a national crisis,” said Jennifer Levi, director of the Transgender Rights Project of GLBTQ Legal Advocates & Defenders.

“Unfortunately,” she added, “the court’s stay of the lower courts’ preliminary orders means that courageous transgender service members will face discharges while challenges to the ban go forward. The Trump administration’s cruel obsession with ridding our military of dedicated and capable service members because they happen to be transgender defies reason and cannot survive legal review.”

The policy is complicated, and there is some dispute about its precise impact and timing. Broadly speaking, transgender people already openly serving may continue to serve once the injunctions are lifted. But those who seek to transition or serve openly after that happens risk discharge.

The Supreme Court’s rules say it will review a federal trial court’s ruling before an appeals court has spoken “only upon a showing that the case is of such imperative public importance as to justify deviation from normal appellate practice and to require immediate determination in this court.”

he wrote, “an issue of imperative public importance: the authority of the U.S. military to determine who may serve in the nation’s armed forces.”

He told the justices that prompt action was required to ensure that the Supreme Court could rule before its term ends in June. The alternative, he said, was to defer Supreme Court arguments in the matter to the term that starts in October, with a decision probably not coming until 2020.

But lawyers for current and prospective members of the military challenging the policy said there was no need to upend the status quo while the case proceeded.

“Transgender people have been serving openly in all branches of the United States military since June 2016, including on active duty in combat zones,” their brief said. “Transgender individuals have been permitted to enlist in the military since January 2018.”

“The government has presented no evidence that their doing so harms military readiness, effectiveness or lethality,” the brief said.

The hundreds of people grandfathered in under the new policy, the brief added, “cannot be squared with the government’s claims of urgency to eliminate all other transgender personnel.”

Kerri Kupec, a Justice Department spokeswoman, welcomed the Supreme Court’s revival of the policy.

“We are pleased the Supreme Court granted stays in these cases, clearing the way for the policy to go into effect while litigation continues,” she said. “The Department of Defense has the authority to create and implement personnel policies it has determined are necessary to best defend our nation.”

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In a statement released Tuesday, a Pentagon spokeswoman said the program was not a complete ban and that transgender troops would be treated with respect and dignity.

“It is critical,” Lt. Col. Carla M. Gleason said, that the Department of Defense “be permitted to implement personnel policies that it determines are necessary to ensure the most lethal and combat effective fighting force in the world.”

The department’s “proposed policy,” she said, “is based on professional military judgment and will ensure that the U.S. Armed Forces remain the most lethal and combat effective fighting force in the world.”

Some veterans groups said the Supreme Court’s move will complicate the jobs of military commanders who lead transgender service members.

“Based on earlier policy, they’ve openly declared themselves transgender, and now we’re going to kick them out for being honest, only to possibly see this ban reversed at a future time,” said Jon Soltz, an Iraq war veteran who is now chairman of VoteVets.org, a liberal veterans advocacy group. “The Supreme Court has made it harder for every commander in the military, today. They’re literally going to have to look at some of the best troops we have and kick them out for being honest about who they are.”

Aaron Belkin, the director of the Palm Center, a research and advocacy group that focuses on sexuality and the military, said the military officials retain discretion over personnel policies.

“While it is unfortunate that the Supreme Court has allowed military discrimination to be reinstated, it’s critical to understand that the military is not required, and has no need, to reinstate the transgender ban, which would cause destabilizing whipsaws in personnel policy,” Mr. Belkin said.

“The Defense Department should not reinstate the transgender ban,” he said, “because it would undermine readiness, cause significant disruptions and uncertainty, deprive the military of much-needed talent, and wreak havoc with the lives and careers of the 14,700 transgender troops bravely protecting our nation’s security.”

Get ready for screaming from the usual suspects, Wu, Shrek & Donkey, and Zianna
 
I've seen people being barred for less. Like for not being tall enough, even one inch shorter than the minimal requirement.

And these people who need to keep their holes dilated every other hour believe are entitled to be part of a group that requires constant focus and dedication? I hope they eventually realise they are asking for special treatment. You are rejected by many things if you are not perfectly healthy: even sports. I'm sure if I have an hormonal treatment, many competitions woudn't accept me. Why are they an exception?

Because ever since Bruce Jenner got a bug crawling up his spine over his cross-dressing, they've been the "Minority Du jour," for the professionally offended. They've reached the point where they now expect everything (and most of all, complete and total acceptance of everything they are and do and say and think) to just be handed to them. There's also the poisonous disease known as "perpetually offended" which has a tendency to travel from it's normal hosts among the Rabid Left to whomever they have contact with.
 
Honestly thank god. Like I'm all for people's rights to do as they please but when it's something as dead serious as the military, you need to be ready for the worst a human can experience. For example, I'm on the spectrum and I have ulcerative colitis so I'd be barred in a snap. That's good because I could potentially get myself or someone else killed, compromising national security.
I get what you're saying, but none of our skirmishes involving troops on the ground have shit to do with national security
 
Given the realities of daily maintenance of a neovagina, it's understandable that the military would not want to accept MTF people. They'll refuse to take you for much, much less, including being reliant upon many widely available medications.
I can't speak about FTM people, but if they have similar requirements to dialation, then it's perfectly understandable why they might be excluded on purely medical grounds.
 
As I understand it this is primarily a ban on people who require medical intervention. Turns out the military doesn't like paying for hormones. Testosterone comes cheap enough but horse piss pills will eat a hole in your wallet. Not to mention the blood tests and complications for both.
 
Honestly thank god. Like I'm all for people's rights to do as they please but when it's something as dead serious as the military, you need to be ready for the worst a human can experience. For example, I'm on the spectrum and I have ulcerative colitis so I'd be barred in a snap. That's good because I could potentially get myself or someone else killed, compromising national security.

"PRIVATE WHERE'S THE TOP SECRET BRIEF?!"

"IT WAS IN MY BACK POCKET AND I SHAT ALL OVER IT, SIR!"

"ARE YOU PLAYING WITH A FULL DECK PRIVATE?!"

"I DON'T LIKE POKER, SIR!"
 
Good. Can we declare sanctuary cities unconstitutional now, or will Roberts cuck-a-Jewdle-Jew like he did with Obamacare and asylum?
 
As I understand it this is primarily a ban on people who require medical intervention. Turns out the military doesn't like paying for hormones. Testosterone comes cheap enough but horse piss pills will eat a hole in your wallet. Not to mention the blood tests and complications for both.
It's not an issue of money, it's primarily an issue of medical logistics.
 
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“This is my dilator. There are many like it, but this one is mine...

Without me, my dilator is useless. Without my dilator , I am useless...”
 
Not surprising tbh. Allowing trans people in the military is just asking for trouble. I mean if they don't allow people with anxiety disorders and mood disorders than why would they let in a population that is known for having a higher than average suicide rate? You're not entitled to a spot in the military just because you want to.
 
Given the realities of daily maintenance of a neovagina, it's understandable that the military would not want to accept MTF people. They'll refuse to take you for much, much less, including being reliant upon many widely available medications.
I can't speak about FTM people, but if they have similar requirements to dialation, then it's perfectly understandable why they might be excluded on purely medical grounds.
To piggy back off your argument. The medical consensus on how to treat people with gender dysphoria, is to allow them to transition whether that be using HRT or or sexual reassignment therapy. Now to discount the theory this would only cost the military a fraction of their already insane budget. The military doesn't enlist people it can't deploy. If you have a medical condition that prevents you from going into the field, they have absolutely no logical reason to deploy you. If you can't walk, they can't put you in infantry. It may not seem fair, but if they can't deploy you, they can't use you. Being on HRT and going through surgeries would almost certainly affect your ability to be deployed. That's the non-exceptional reason for this ban.

That said the only devil's advocate i have are these; is this extremely unfair to existing service member who are trans in our military? Yes. Did the president announce this poorly without context, just to rile up his base, Yes. Are a bunch of alt-right people looking like jack asses cuz they're celebrating this for the wrong reasons, Yes.

But all that doesn't disqualify the fact that it's not logistically possible to deploy anyone with a medical condition into the field.
 
This is 99% about Trans people enlisting for a sex change paid by the taxpayer

Trans people with shitty income found out the Healthcare in the military is a easy way to a cheap sex change, first year spent getting into the system and qualifying for surgery, next year recuperating, and then the end of their service the military find them some archive to babysit where they won't be an embarrassment

Meanwhile the military has no interest in people who have no intention of being actual soldiers
 
Within the last handful of years the Army at least has adopted a "get deployable or get out" philosophy so this is actually very good news for the force in general.
 
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