UN Clashes in Athens over Macedonian nomenclature - FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46938371

Protesters have clashed with police in the Greek capital Athens at a big rally to oppose the government's deal with Macedonia on changing its name.

Police fired tear gas at some of those attending a protest which attracted tens of thousands to the city.

The deal, which is yet to be approved, designates Greece's northern neighbour as Republic of North Macedonia.

The name Macedonia is sensitive for many Greeks who say it implies a claim on the Greek province of the same name.

Years of wrangling finally brought an agreement last June between Greece's left-wing Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras and his Macedonian counterpart.

A vote on the deal, which aims to end a 28-year-row between the nations, is set to take place in the Greek parliament this week.

The dispute dates back to 1991 and the break-up of Yugoslavia. Macedonia was a Yugoslav republic and adopted the name Macedonia when it became an independent nation.

Greece has long argued the use of the name implied a territorial claim and cultural appropriation. At the UN the country was formally known as the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (Fyrom).

Macedonia ratified the deal on the name change to the Republic of North Macedonia earlier this month.

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Image captionMr Tsipras has faced sharp opposition over the plan
Greek opposition figures argue Mr Tsipras has made too many concessions.

Last week he narrowly survived a vote of no confidence after his junior coalition partner withdrew support.

Some members of the Greek parliament have received death threats intended to influence their vote.

What happened on Sunday?
Organisers had said as many as 600,000 people were expected to take part in Sunday's demonstrations.

The actual numbers fell far short - with police estimating 60,000 in the capital at 14:00 local time (12:00 GMT).

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Image captionThe protests attracted a wide range of participants
People had travelled from across the country to demonstrate close to the national parliament.

Demonstrators in the capital on Sunday chanted, "Macedonia is Greek" and waved Greek flags.

A number of clerics, dressed in black, were among those taking part.

"We cannot stomach this deal, to give away our Macedonia, our history," a 67-year-old protester at the scene, Amalia Savrami, told Reuters.

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Image captionThere were scenes of confrontation in places
At one point, scuffles broke out near parliament when masked demonstrators threw stones and fireworks at police.

Police blocked gas-mask-wearing protesters from storming steps leading to parliament.

A highway was also temporarily blocked in northern Greece in solidarity with the protesters, reports say.

Why is the name change controversial?
Greek nationalists argue that the name Macedonia can only refer to the Greek province of the same name.

The dispute has led to Greece to blocking Macedonia's hopes of joining Nato and the European Union.

Under the deal, the country known at the UN as Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (Fyrom) would be named Republic of North Macedonia.

Its language would be Macedonian and its people known as Macedonians (citizens of the Republic of North Macedonia).

The move has met with sharp resistance in both countries because nationalists believe it erodes their identity.

Two countries are arguing about what one is called.

Please start a war over this.
 
Controversial idea: countries should be able to name themselves and their capitals.
If Macedonia wants to be the United States of America or New Nazi Germany or whatever just let them.
Everyone else can give them a nickname but it has to be related to their new name.
 
Controversial idea: countries should be able to name themselves and their capitals.
If Macedonia wants to be the United States of America or New Nazi Germany or whatever just let them.
Everyone else can give them a nickname but it has to be related to their new name.

True, but while Greece going apeshit is an autistic overreaction to be sure it should be noted that macedonia's entire schtick is a bit like if Mexico declared that since a tiny corner of it's territory was once part of what would become Texas, that Mexico is infact the one and only Texas (original country donut steel) and then spent decades renaming all its cities and public institutions after Davy Crockett, demanding every other country call them "Texas" including the US, teaching in schools how there is a vast international conspiracy to cover up the truth about how Mexico is infact Texas, proclaiming that god himself will have the whole world bow before the one true Texas on the day of reckoning*, and making unsubtle declarations that they will one day reclaim the lost Texan lands from its perfidious neighbour.

I mean the whole thing literally started because a bunch of bulgarian slavs in the mid 1800s started fapping over Alexander the Great after a slav translation of a historical epic about him became popular in the region and decided that since they were near historical Macedonia, this made them by default the rightful inheritors of the identity and not dirty smelly non special-snowflake slavs. From there shit has only gotten more pathetic between the aforementioned propaganda schtick, the building of giant Alexander the Great** statues in every town and city, spending a billion dollarydoos remodelling the capital city to become a faux-classical kitsch hellscape, to straight up covering up historical artifacts that show that the country was just a part of bulgaria for like a thousand years to the point of destroying the word "bulgaria" from stone engravings in historical churches.

Basically its like an entire country decided to make the whole "WE WUZ KANGZ!" thing both the official state ideology and the national culture and aggressively tried to censor any contradictory evidence while demanding to be taken seriously by the outside world.

*hilariously this aint hyperbole....macedonia's government repeatedly broadcast this masterpiece on state TV on how macedonia invented white people and how god will force the world to kneel before the might of macedonia because...erm...Alexander the Great and stuff.
** literally the only vaguely famous historical Macedonian and thus the focus of their autism
 
Has been far too long since we had war in the balkans. Glad that the greeces and the Macadonians are fixing it.
but this will not be a fun war... Greece has 100 f16 and almost 200 modern Tanks and 100k soldiers. Fyrom has 10000 men, old soviet tanks and no airforce. it will be a short war with thousands of dead civilians because both sides hate gypsis and albanians and will not care if they die.
 
I can Understand the Greeks, It was the home country of the most perfect person who ever walked this earth.
I like it because it inspired a name for a certain kind of sex. I'm envious. wtf would a "Canadian" be? Having supper with your wife and her boyfriend and arguing whether you should pay a third or a half, then getting your nose broken by Tyrone?
 
Jesus I just rewatched that macedonian propaganda video and at 1:12 the guy literally says that fucking Santa Claus* came to him in a dream to tell him how he too was macedonian and that god will soon proclaim macedonian world conquest or some shit.

Even North Korea would be cringing at this autistic nationalism

*St Nicholas
 
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Jesus I just rewatched that macedonian propaganda video and at 1:12 the guy literally says that fucking Santa Claus came to him in a dream to tell him how he too was macedonian and that god will soon proclaim macedonian world conquest or some shit.

Even North Korea would be cringing at this autistic nationalism

Did the video maybe translate St. Nicholas as Santa Claus? St. Nick was Greek.
 
Did the video maybe translate St. Nicholas as Santa Claus? St. Nick was Greek.
It says St Nicholas, I made the connection to santa claus myself on the rewatch. Either way Jolly Old Saint Nick appeared in dis nigga's dreams to proclaim the divine Macedonian Era of world history about to begin and I suddenly feel really bad for this Borat country's neighbors having to put up with this shit on the regular

EDIT: ok here is the transcript

O, Lord! Dearest God, which You are in Heaven! Do you see our Macedonian agonies? Do you hear the crying of our fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters and of our children? For the offspring which died for Macedonia? We are bleeding for thousands of years, the living wounds of our offspring are left to them.

O, Lord, You are the Only One in the Heaven. Only You are looking at our mother, crucified at four sides as the Son of God. Wherever You go, You are stepping over a grave and fall over bones.

O, Lord, appear now, say us the truth, to us and to the world, because St. Nicholas came in my dream and told me: "and I am from the land of love and goodness, and I am a Macedonian. And I shed a bloody tear in the pot of our pain. But the truth is at the Almighty. Ask Him and He will tell it, because our Macedonian era has arrived.

O, Lord, only You know that two truths exist, but the justice is only one. Thousands of book were spread all over the world by our neighbors with fake history and twisted truth about Macedonia.

O, Lord, only You know our true justice: who we are, from where we are and why we are Macedonians? And to the Apostle Paul during a dream a Macedonian appeared, saying: "come to Macedonia and help us". And St. Apostle Paul listened to the prayer and firstly came among us, Macedonians. And now here, for 2.000 years we are believing only in You, and in 2.000 Churches and Monasteries we are praying, and from the eternity we are waiting on You.

I already can't remember, but I know, I, Macedon of Govrlevo, I am alone with God for 8.000 years and I pray in front of the largest cross in the world. You, the only Lord, dearest God which is in Heaven, listen to our prayer, come to Armageddon, lend us a hand and tell us the truth about the evil and the good, to us and to the whole world, because no more blood left in us, for the great mother - Macedonia.

*the following text is spoken by god himself*

Divine blessing for you, my Macedonians. I have waited for thousands of years to be called by you. From always with you, from eternity I am coming, I am already among you because here neither time nor space exists. Here, at my place, the time is still. But at your place, the time is now, for me to explain.

Your mother Earth I have inhabited with three races: the White-Macedonoids, the Yellow-Mongoloids and the Black-Negroids. The rest-all are mulattoes. From you, Macedonians, the descendants of Macedon, I have impregnated the White race and everything began from you, to the Sea of Japan.

All White people are your brothers because they carry Macedonian gene. And all the migrations started from your place towards the north. Kokino, Porodin, Radobor, Angelci, Barutnica, Govrlevo, wherever you dig you shall find the truth who you are, why you are and from where are you.

Evil diabolic souls obscured the truth for thousands of years and lied to the world. How much did you suffered and to what kind of plights did you passed, because I was sending you temptations, but you have stayed faithful, my children. Children of the sun and of the flowers, blessed with the joy, love and goodness.

I send you Tsars for thousands of years and now I am giving you again. You are giving them to everybody, you didn't left them for you. How many Tsars are here with Me and how many Macedonians are, so many stars are on the heaven and sand in the sea is.

Let all the Angels sing, for everybody who are with Me, who from love for Macedonia, exchanged their life for eternity and shared the Tsardom here with Me. Already the Angels are singing for all of you which understood God's glory, for all of you to which I gave a part of Paradise, for all of you I gifted with love and peace, for all of you which waited for Me and have seen My arrival.

Here, I am now coming to Macedonia, I am now among you, to tell you the truthful truth, which is among you under the soil. The grave of Alexander, the Macedonian Tsar, I shall open it, and the entire world at bowing in front of you I shall bring. How many Macedonian graves I have yet to open, because souls near me desire the truth.

Love your greatest enemies, because I send them to be of greatest help to you. The truth about Macedonia and you, Macedonians should be known to the world. Because you were first among the firsts, most dignified among the most dignified.

Now the Macedonian era arrived, the whole world to obtain the truth, to see that honor and blessing is to be a Macedonian, a descendant of Macedon and son of the God of Universe. Children of mine, blessed and eternal be, here where the sun and flowers rule, let there be eternal joy, love and goodness. Among you, I am now noble. In eternal Macedonia, blessed One, amen!
 
If you can't solve it with shield wall tactics or buttsex can you really call yourself a Greek?
Careful, if the macedonian government hears you they will institute mandatory buggary sessions every week in order to prove they are the true and honest ancient greeks
 
I suspect if it comes to it, the Serbs will aid the Macedonians.
Will they though? Setting aside the fact that macedonia recently pissed off Serbia regarding Kosovo, I doubt a nation largely built on Slav pride cares much about a country that is built entirely on "WE ARE NOT FILTHY SLAVS! WE ARE ANCIENT GREEK KANGZ N SHEEIT!"
 
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