UN House approves $5 billion in border wall funding - Nancy Pelosi absolutely seething sources say

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WASHINGTON – A deeply divided House voted on Thursday to add $5 billion in border wall funding to a short-term spending bill, yielding to President Donald Trump’s demand for the money but casting further doubts upon the fate of efforts to avert a government shutdown.

The bill, which the Houseapproved by a vote of 217-185, now heads back to the Senate, which must either approve the measure or risk shutting down a quarter of the government at midnight Friday. A Senate vote is expected Friday afternoon.

The House vote capped a drama-filled day that started with lawmakers anticipating quick passage of an already approved Senate funding bill, but then erupted into chaos when Trump announced he would not support the measure because it did not contain funding for the border wall – one of his signature campaign promises.

“I’ve made my position very clear: Any measure that funds the government must include border security,” Trump said at the White House.

At an Oval Office meeting a few hours earlier, Trump had informed House GOP leaders that he would not sign the Senate version, sending them scrambling to deliver new legislation that included $5 billion in border wall funding.

“We want to keep the government open, but we also want to see an agreement that protects the border,” said House Speaker Paul Ryan, R-Wis. “We have very serious concerns about securing our border.”

Lawmakers have until midnight Friday to pass a spending bill or funding will expire for a quarter of the federal government, triggering a shutdown heading into the holidays and forcing some 800,000 federal employees to go on furlough or work without pay.

Congress is trying to end the budget stalemate and avert a government shutdown by piecing together a short-term measure that would keep the funds flowing through early next year.

The Senate voted Wednesday night to approve a short-term spending bill offered by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., that would fund the government through Feb. 8 but would delay any decision on border wall funding until next year.

But hardline conservatives in the House revolted because the Senate bill did not include Trump’s border funding, even though he had insisted during the presidential campaign that he’d make Mexico pay for the wall. Trump’s announcement that he would not sign the Senate measure sealed its fate.

The House responded by introducing its own spending package that also would fund the government through Feb. 8, but would include $5.7 billion for a border wall and nearly $8 billion in disaster relief to compensate communities hit hard by this year’s hurricanes and wildfires.

The border funding in the House proposal won’t be enough to build the wall but will improve border security, said Rep. Tom Cole, R-Okla.

“This is about keeping America safe – it’s not a complicated vote,” said House Majority Whip Steve Scalise, R-La.

Democrats accused Republicans of catering to a “Trump Twitter tantrum” and warned that the House bill would be dead on arrival in the Senate.

“This is a sham and a shame,” said Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas.

Hardline conservatives in the House Freedom Caucus insisted now is the GOP’s last chance to deliver on Trump’s campaign promise to build a border wall since Democrats will resume control of the House in January and their leader, Nancy Pelosi, will return as speaker.

“We’ve been telling the American public that we were going to fight, they have no reason to believe us now,” said Rep. Paul Gosar, R-Ariz., a Freedom Caucus member.

Said Freedom Caucus member Scott Perry, R-Penn.: “We made a promise to the American people to secure the border. This is our last chance. Nancy Pelosi will not do this.”

The uncertainty over the funding bill – and the chaos that ensued – was heightened by Trump’s constantly shifting position on the legislation.

Last week, Trump boasted during an Oval Office meeting with Democratic leaders that he would be “proud” to shut down the government over border funding and that he’d be willing to take the blame for any fallout.

But on Tuesday, the White House signaled that Trump was looking for other ways to fund a border wall and that he might be willing to sign a short-term spending bill that did not include the money.

Thursday morning, Trump took to Twitter and posted a message about his demands for a border wall funding but did not specifically comment on the Senate’s short-term bill.

“When I begrudgingly signed the Omnibus Bill, I was promised the Wall and Border Security by leadership. Would be done by end of year (NOW). It didn’t happen! We foolishly fight for Border Security for other countries - but not for our beloved U.S.A. Not good!” he wrote.

By the time House GOP leaders headed to the White House for their emergency meeting with Trump, it was clear he had changed his mind.

“At this moment, the president does not want to go further without border security, which includes steel slats or a wall,” White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said. “The president is continuing to weigh his options.”

Following the meeting with Republicans, Sanders issued another statement saying that "not surprisingly, they all feel strongly about border security – stopping the flow of drugs, stopping human trafficking, and stopping terrorism."

"We protect nations all over the world, but Democrats are unwilling to protect our nation," she said. "We urgently need funding for border security and that includes a wall."

Back on Capitol Hill, Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., said Democrats have no intention of approving money for a border wall.

"In terms of wall funding, that’s a non-starter," Pelosi said.

Congress is scrambling to pass a short-term spending bill because lawmakers still haven’t passed seven of the 12 appropriations bills that are needed to fund the government for the fiscal year that began Oct. 1.

The seven remaining bills would fund nine departments – Agriculture, Commerce, Justice, Homeland Security, Interior, State, Transportation, Treasury and Housing and Urban Development – as well as several smaller agencies. Those are the departments and agencies that would be impacted by a government shutdown.
 
Trump should hire Venezuelans to build the wall, not only we will work for minimum wage (plus benefits) we will get it done in record time with a ISO certificate and for a little extra we will throw stones to the Mexicans that dare to get close to it
 
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Grab your shovels, farmers! It's going to be a mighty load of salt this weekend!

Speaking of Salt, here's some fresh NaCl from Hawai'i's Senators and Representatives:

Star-Advertiser dijo:
Here’s how Hawaii’s Democratic Congressional delegation is reacting to the partial federal government shutdown that began tonight because of the fight over $5 billion in funding for President Donald Trump’s border wall:

Sen. Mazie K. Hirono: “Two nights ago, the Senate did its job by passing a bill to keep the government open with the expectation that the House would pass it and that the President would sign it into law. But at the 11th hour, Donald Trump succumbed to pressure from his far right-wing base and chose to shut down the government for a $5 billion down payment on his vanity wall.

“This shutdown is totally unfair, completely unnecessary, and entirely the President’s fault. Donald Trump needs to face the reality that he won’t get $5 billion for his wall and accept responsibility for keeping the government running.”

Sen. Brian Schatz: “Our federal workers shouldn’t suffer because the President and Republicans in Congress don’t know how to govern. These workers keep our country running, and it’s irresponsible and cruel to threaten their pay just before the holidays. I hope we can quickly get this through the House and to the President so that the men and women who serve our country get the pay they have earned.” Schatz said the Senate unanimously passed the Federal Employee Fair Treatment Act, which he co-sponsored and is designed to make sure federal employees who are required to work during a government shutdown get paid as soon as possible. Schatz said an estimated 420,000 federal workers, including Coast Guard and TSA employees, are being forced to work without pay and that an additional 380,000 will be furloughed.

Rep. Colleen Hanabusa: “It is unfortunate that in the midst of the holiday season President Trump is forcing more than 420,000 federal workers to continue on the job without pay. Hopefully, after quick reflection, the President and his enablers re-think this approach to funding the government. He chooses the Christmas season to pander to his base and shutdown the government because Congress refuses to pay nearly $6 billion for a wall along the southern border that is nothing more than a political talking point for his next campaign. Ironically, by shutting down the government, he is ensuring that nearly 107,000 Customs and Border Protection agents and Transportation Security Administration workers will be forced to defend our borders with the added stress of an immediate loss in pay. The ‘law and order’ President just assured that 41,000 federal law enforcement and correctional officers, including 13,709 FBI agents, 4,399 DEA agents, and 16,742 Bureau of Prisons correctional officers will lose money before Christmas.

“In Hawaii, where we are dependent on our visitor industry to drive our economy, our National Parks will be forced to shutter operations during one of their busiest seasons. Our farmers, already reeling from historic wet weather in the islands, won’t have access to county service offices or federal aid. Small business loans won’t be issued. Thankfully, our DOD workforce in the islands was previously funded through the current fiscal year. What is most upsetting is that Congress did its job. For the first time in about a decade, through the regular order, we finished significant portions of the appropriations process in bipartisan fashion. We reached an agreement on the final package of spending bills only to have Trump shut it down after Freedom Caucus members pushed him. A lot of this is part of Trump’s efforts to change the narrative after Secretary Mattis’ stunning resignation. The only adult in the room stepping down would have been more negative if Trump didn’t engage in his art of deflection. Americans deserve much better from the office of the President.”
 
Honestly I'm surprised in croaked in the senate, of all places. I'd wonder what happened, but... that would require me to care first.

Probably because Trump cleverly shit all over some of the Senators he would have needed to vote on his side, and also the outgoing dude who couldn't give less of a shit about helping him out.
 
The wall's a-happening, whether we like it or not. Good. Too bad it's only a band-aid on a huge injury of a problem. This wall might keep the illegals out, but we gotta look forward here: what's being done to ensure low income citizens can have access to these jobs illegals keep depriving them (again, our own actual citizens) of...

It's a good day for repelling an obvious outside threat that needs to stay in its own country and fix their own problems, instead of making more future ones for us common folk, sure, but not the end of a huge problem within our own soil. One that can't be ignored that easily for too much longer, either.
 
The wall's a-happening, whether we like it or not. Good. Too bad it's only a band-aid on a huge injury of a problem. This wall might keep the illegals out, but we gotta look forward here: what's being done to ensure low income citizens can have access to these jobs illegals keep depriving them (again, our own actual citizens) of...

It's a good day for repelling an obvious outside threat that needs to stay in its own country and fix their own problems, instead of making more future ones for us common folk, sure, but not the end of a huge problem within our own soil. One that can't be ignored that easily for too much longer, either.

By not building the wall, Trump is simply placating his enemies. The voters who oppose the wall probably never voted for him in the first place, and certainly won't in 2020. Not to mention, of course, the congresspeople who will oppose his initiatives no matter how this shutdown concludes. His base demands the wall, and he has to avoid the classic Republican error of alienating his base if he wants a second term.
 
Oh man I still remember how everyone died last time the government shut down, I'm sure that will happen again.
 
Why do people want the wall so badly?

A wall would at least be some sort of physical barrier to entry at the border at a time when neither party seems interested in policing the border while in power (because it's somehow become politically incorrect to fulfill that duty). Especially not the Democrat party, who hide their desire for demographic replacement about as well as they hide their contempt for 2nd Amendment rights.

How could you not understand wanting some form of border enforcement when neither party will do what they're put in office to do?
 
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How could you not understand wanting some form of border enforcement when neither party will do what they're put in office to do?

Except this is absolute bullshit. Obama's administration deported more people than even George W. Bush's, the vast majority caught within 100 miles of the border. Bush got 2 million. Some of Obama's record was expanding the definition of deportation, but the notion that we're not enforcing immigration laws is utter nonsense.
 
Except this is absolute bullshit. Obama's administration deported more people than even George W. Bush's, the vast majority caught within 100 miles of the border. Bush got 2 million.
Does it matter how many Mexicans these presidents deported? They still missed enough that America went full retard with regards to illegal immigration when exposed to the wrong kind of media.
 
Except this is absolute bullshit. Obama's administration deported more people than even George W. Bush's, the vast majority caught within 100 miles of the border. Bush got 2 million. Some of Obama's record was expanding the definition of deportation, but the notion that we're not enforcing immigration laws is utter nonsense.

You're right, that's true. But let's give the average voter a bit of a break on their inaccurate perception of the issue.
  • The news media has never chosen to focus on the Obama administration's deportation record for some odd reason.
  • Illegal immigrants are still crossing the border in significant numbers despite efforts to stop them.
  • A lot of voters remember and are still pissed off about the "Reagan amnesty" and the years that led up to to that.
  • The Western world is currently witnessing multiple large-scale mass importations of foreign "migrants" by progressive globalist leaders in direct conflict with what the people want, and these leaders essentially refuse to explain what they're up to.
  • Progressive lunacy has been conspicuously infecting the Democrat party for years.
  • Democrats have a much different set of political and social incentives when it comes to the issue of illegal immigration and how best to deal with it.
So you're right, but as with any political issue, and in order to answer the question of "why does anyone want a border wall," you have to consider voter perception.

Voters don't know much about the enormity of the task of policing the border. They just want no more illegals getting in. Dumb voters imagine a big wall being constructed in the desert and nobody getting past it. Smarter voters understand that that's, at best (and if it's even feasible/possible), only going to be one part of a solution. But all of them saw/see Trump as someone essentially saying "this is a problem, and let's deal with it" while so many other politicians were/are publicly quiet on the issue (despite what they know their constituents want) or publicly grandstand about the cruelty of strict border enforcement (regardless of their actual positions).
 
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