[14-Dec-2018] The Appearance of emerald_seven - Tut 2.0?

[BallBuster]

It has to be a stolen card. No one drops $7000 on fucking Twitch within 24 hours. This arc will get more autistic before it gets more interesting.

 

[Wing Zero]

Another 100 tier 3 subs. We are now at 8,500 dollars.

 

[Comma]

 

[PieceofShet]

Twitch still doesnt do anything, they just let the money roll in... although its highly suspicious.

 

[WeeblesWobble]

Another 100 tier 3 subs. We are now at 8,500 dollars.

I really can't see an adult spending this type of money on a streamer. Not only that, but giving it to him in a way that is extremely inefficient. So much of that money gets eaten by twitch. If the person wanted to help then I would assume they would just give him the money.

In any instance, this will be interesting and it'll be fun to see Phil talk about how broke he is two months from now when the check clears and he still "might have to sell the house."

 

[Equinox_]

It has to be a stolen card. No one drops $7000 on fucking Twitch writhing 24 hours. This arc will get more autistic before it gets more interesting.

I don't know if it's a stolen card. Unless the guy got his hand on the holy grail of stolen credit cards. A bank would of shut this down thousands of dollars ago by how the spending habit is going.

 

[actually]

Another 100 tier 3 subs. We are now at 8,500 dollars.

Well, looks like I may have been completely wrong that there was no realistic way Phil could get to that magical $16k. I figured that that would somehow be the mountain he couldn't climb--honestly didn't count on this Grand High Poobah Tard to sherpa the way.

 

[BallBuster]

I don't know if it's a stolen card. Unless the guy got his hand on the holy grail of stolen credit cards. A bank would of shut this down thousands of dollars ago by how the spending habit is going.

Could have been multiple cards. Regardless this isn’t legit. I mean, what are the chances that this is a kid who got a hold of his parent’s card? This autism void grows daily.

 

[Equinox_]

Could have been multiple cards. Regardless this isn’t legit. I mean, what are the chances that this is a kid who got a hold of his parent’s card? This autism void grows daily.

I suppose it could be multiple cards. I would of thought Twitch would shut it down because the name of the card is changing often...but it's Twitch who am I kidding.

But yeah I definitely agree it isn't legit.


EDIT: All in all I just find it really weird. If you have the money why not tip directly since if you're doing this at the benefit of Phil. Give him more instead of less. But if it's not legit, as we're thinking, I guess gifting Subs makes sense.

Because when it comes for Twitch to pay out for the subs. They can either not give the money because they don't want to eat the cost after the credit card companies come back for their money. Or they give Phil the money. Stolen card or not I don't think Twitch can come back and ask for it, maybe they can someone can possibly comment on this?

While if the tip was direct and money is found to be stolen Phil would need to owe $8k on top of $16k or however much this guy has spent already. Since we already know Phil would blow through this money quicker than a hooker does on meth.

TLDR: If the money isn't legit Gifting subs actually makes sense since it would then be all in Twitch's court. Instead of Phil owing thousands to Paypal or whatever.

 

[Ilscuro]

Remember this is Phil, it will all come crashing down soon enough.

 

[PieceofShet]

The big difference BETWEEN this and tut is that there was a person behind tut. People like him does that for attention. Doing this from a sock account that has no connection to anyone, not even speaking in chat... I dont buy it.

 

[Adamska]

The big difference BETWEEN this and tut is that there was a person behind tut. People like him does that for attention. Doing this from a sock account that has no connection to anyone, not even speaking in chat... I dont buy it.

I legit think this is just money laundering at this point, given that this guy is making burner accounts and silently dropping money.

By the way, I think burner accounts should be bannable given the scumminess.

 

[LiquidCancer]

He has to be going nuts that he only gets a part of all that money but even giving him a dollar is too much.

 

[harbinger]

I hate to say it, but there are trust-fund babies out there born with a silver spoon shoved up so far their asses that dropping nearly $10k like this is nothing to them.

 

[SkippyLongbottom]

I hate to say it, but there are trust-fund babies out there born with a silver spoon shoved up so far their ass that dropping nearly $10k like this is nothing to them.

Didn't he shit-talk those types? The ones that are more successful than him in life?
I guess if they spare him a couple bucks it is all forgotten.

 

[Adamska]

I hate to say it, but there are trust-fund babies out there born with a silver spoon shoved up so far their ass that dropping nearly $10k like this is nothing to them.

There are, but they usually show it off by bragging; this guy doesn't. It really doesn't seem normal hence why I'm thinking it's money laundering.

 

[Frazzle]

I have a theory that it is one of his dedicated fans that saw him able to retain the money from Tut's sub spree while Tut supposedly was able to keep his money as well. Maybe one of them thinks they can go on this sub gift spree then cry theft and keep their money while also donating to Dark. Obviously couldn't do this on their normal paypig account as they would get caught quickly.

 

[Cyber Bowling]

Because when it comes for Twitch to pay out for the subs. They can either not give the money because they don't want to eat the cost after the credit card companies come back for their money. Or they give Phil the money. Stolen card or not I don't think Twitch can come back and ask for it, maybe they can someone can possibly comment on this?

While if the tip was direct and money is found to be stolen Phil would need to owe $8k on top of $16k or however much this guy has spent already. Since we already know Phil would blow through this money quicker than a hooker does on meth.

TLDR: If the money isn't legit Gifting subs actually makes sense since it would then be all in Twitch's court. Instead of Phil owing thousands to Paypal or whatever.

Best example I can think of is buying subs from Twitch is like buying a gift card. When you buy gift subs, you aren't giving any money to Phil, you're buying the ability for someone to subscribe to a channel. No transaction occurs with Phil whatsoever, it is all charged to Twitch. The comparison gets a little sloppy afterwards, but say someone was paid on commission and a bunch of people with those gift cards bought products from the sales person. If it was discovered the original person who bought the gift cards committed fraud and the charges were reversed, the company couldn't punish the sales person by making them pay back what they earned in commission since those gift cards were ultimately refunded.

It's why subs and bits have a strict "no refund" policy to begin with, as the system would otherwise be too easy to scam. The troll plan is to get around the no refund policy by not asking for a refund, but reporting the card as stolen so all the transactions are cancelled. But, that just cancels the transaction between Amazon and the credit card, not Phil. Using the gift card analogy again, if you already purchased something with your gift card, you don't retroactively lose your purchase just because the original payment for the card was cancelled.

Twitch could theoretically go back and just look at who the subs were gifted to and manually remove them, but from a company standpoint, that looks bad. When said company is also Amazon, I can't imagine they'd bat an eye at what is (for them) such a small amount of money.

The other flaw is overestimating how easy it is to just report a charge as fraudulent. This isn't exactly a 4d chess move, shockingly, credit card companies are prepared for the possibility that someone might purchase something and then claim their credit card was stolen so they don't have to pay for it. It is by no means impossible either, but there are some hoops to jump through and there's also some times where, even if the fraud is legitimate, you just get screwed out of the money.

All that being said, trolls are dumb and might not think about these things, so it's still possible, but I think it's more likely it's just another Tut situation. The amount of money this guy is throwing out is surprising, but it's not unheard of either. This is what whales do. Just look at all the addicts who burn through 20k a month for a mobile game. It is a little weird he doesn't interact with Phil's chat, but Phil's chat is a pretty toxic pit overall, and it's not unheard of for someone to faithfully follow a streamer but keep chat closed. If they are a long term fan, which YouTube accounts seem to back up, it's possible they just decided to save up for a massive end of the year sub gifting.

Choosing subs over gifts might also be as simple as them not having a PayPal account, which unless I'm mistaken is the only way to tip. I know you can just set PayPal to use your credit card for payments, but if the dude never had a PayPal account before, he might not be aware so he just went with the simplest option. Plus, fans tend to obsess more over streamer numbers, especially Phil's fans who are known for projecting Phil's success onto them, so they'd want to boost that sub number to stick it to the detractors or whatever. Speaking of detractors, that could also account for why the dude is silent, he's bought into Phil's talk of detractors being dangerous hackers. Hell, for all we know he is super active in chat on a separate account.

 

[KingjadVCMP]

I have a theory that it is one of his dedicated fans that saw him able to retain the money from Tut's sub spree while Tut supposedly was able to keep his money as well. Maybe one of them thinks they can go on this sub gift spree then cry theft and keep their money while also donating to Dark. Obviously couldn't do this on their normal paypig account as they would get caught quickly.

Gotta say I'm now leaning towards this hypothesis myself. And to be honest, it's likely to work.

 

[Wing Zero]

Gotta say I'm now leaning towards this hypothesis myself. And to be honest, it's likely to work.

How many times can that actually work though? Yes I know Twitch/Amazon is a multi-billion dollar corporation but i'm sure they don't want to start having to foot the bill for every person who cheers/subs a shitload of money and then cries theft for a chargeback, especially if it's clear it's gonna keep happening. Say this theory is correct and this moron's plan works - what's gonna stop other autistic morons from throwing thousands at Phil, getting a chargeback, and then forcing Twitch to pay Phil out of their own pocket? Wouldn't at SOME point Twitch just ban Phil because he's losing them more money than he's bringing in?