Science 1642 Scientists Blast Trump’s ‘Absurd’ Anti-Trans Memo

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More than 1,600 scientists released an open letter Thursday opposing the Trump administration’s memo erasing legal protections for trans people.

The letter, signed by over 700 biologists, 100 geneticists, and nine Nobel laureates, pushed back on the administration’s claim that defining sex according to observed genitals at birth or a genetic test is grounded in science. “This proposal is fundamentally inconsistent not only with science, but also with ethical practices, human rights, and basic dignity,” read the letter. “The proposal is in no way ‘grounded in science’ as the administration claims. The relationship between sex chromosomes, genitalia, and gender identity is complex, and not fully understood.”

For the scientists behind the letter, it was important to step forward and oppose a policy that they felt was misinterpreting the scientific understanding of sex and gender. “It appears the Trump administration is trying to eliminate the entire concept of gender as a thing separate from sex, in the sense that they believe that they can stop allowing transgender people to self-identify as transgender by requiring everybody to be defined as a binary sex from birth,” said Rachael French, a biology professor at San Jose State University.

“They’ve suggested at least two things: what your genitalia look like when you’re born or whether you have a Y chromosome,” she said in an interview with Rewire.News. “You can’t even test for what sex a person is, let alone be able to define what gender a person is based on their chromosomes. The entire idea from a biological standpoint is ridiculous.

French said trans people won’t be the only ones negatively affected by the sex definition proposed by the administration. She worried that intersex people could be forced into painful and unnecessary surgeries as children in order to make their genitals conform to the legal definitions of sex being pushed by the Trump administration. Even cisgender people with natural genetic variations could be legally forced into another sex thanks to an invasive government genetics test.

The open letter wasn’t the only response to the anti-trans memo from the scientific community since it was first reported by the New York Times. Science journal Nature pushed back on the administration’s scientific justification for discrimination in an editorial, saying the memo “has no basis in science” and calling for the move to be “abandoned.” A piece in Scientific American called the proposed policy “scientifically absurd.” And Trump’s Centers for Disease Control director, Robert Redfield, said the stigma against the trans community stemming from the policy is “not in the interest of public health.”

For trans women like Tessa Fisher, a third year PhD student at Arizona State University studying astrobiology, coverage of Trump’s anti-trans memo made her feel “scared but also furious.”

The response from her scientific peers has been heartening. “It’s been really amazing,” she told Rewire.News. “Partially because these people are my peers for the most part, and it’s a really nice thing, [it’s] sort of affirming that a lot of the people out there that I work with and I read their papers and I’m sort of doing the same things they are respect who I am. Which is really, really encouraging. It’s a great show [of] genuine allyship.”

With everyone in her life perceiving her as female, Fisher pointed to the sheer impracticality of the plan to erase trans people from existence. “From like a day-to-day point of view [it] makes absolutely no goddamn sense whatsoever. It would literally be pointless for me to call myself male, even if I wanted to, because no one would see me as that.

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Fisher is particularly frustrated about the way those who oppose trans rights have tried to co-opt science for their own means. “There’s the presumption that they know more about the scientific research than I do, even though I’m the one working on a PhD in that,” she said. “In a lot of cases, it’s at the same time kind of shocking how shallow their understanding of science is. The best example I’ve ever had of that is that some Twitter troll who had been picking a fight with me earlier actually tweeted at my advisor and the profile for my program to complain that they had not taught me taxonomy correctly. Which was creepy and also kind of pathetic.”

The public seems to hold overly simplistic ideas about the science of sex and gender, according to scientists. “There is zero scientific evidence for anybody to feel that people, children or anybody else, should have to choose one particular gender,” Mollie Manier, a biology professor at George Washington University, told Rewire.News. Manier’s research focuses on the evolutionary genetics of reproduction.

If you look across multiple cultures, and apparently even within the history of the U.S., there’s a lot of gender fluidity .… When people are allowed to be more gender-fluid culturally, they often are, and that’s reflecting more of a biological reality that gender is not a binary always,” she said.

Manier, who helped draft the letter, reiterated that there is no genetic test that could conclusively determine a person’s sex or gender. “Even if there were, it is totally inappropriate to use that in order to override an individual’s lived experience of what they think in their heart of hearts they are.”

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Positron's notes:
1. The letter is here (in case you don't notice the link buried in the article). 1642 "scientists" is a very small number considering these include PhD candidates.
2. Nature, despite being the scientific journal with the second or third highest impact factor, has always been very cucked and anti-Trump; it seems Trump's inauguration has pushed them back to the 50s, when Nature was a brewing ground of crackpot theories.
3. "Gender determination is complex!"; "How about the intersex?!?!?!"; "trannies have been in multiple cultures!!!!". I thought science education trains independent thinkers, not NPCs
4. Science is fucked.
 
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The chromosome test is flawed, we've known that for years. It's perfectly possible for a female to have the SRY gene and not express it, for example. That's why hormone levels are used to test female athletes rather than genetic screening. If you want to consider the dozens of genes that influence sex development and the varying degrees of intersex conditions that can potentially result, I guess you could argue that gender is non-binary. Going from there to normalizing troon culture is a massive fucking reach, but the idea that trans people might have a biological wire or two crossed isn't crazy. Either way I think we can all agree that mutilation as a first line treatment for dysphoria is fucking retarded.
 
watch that become a thing
It already has. The attached "illustrated gender identity list" only has them self identifying as dykes, but I swear the other one I've seen has fags as well. Large and highly :islamic:. I think my favorite is still Queer Pappy Daddy Boi Papi. Nope, you totally aren't just a women with severe daddy issues and some mental disorders. When did they stop becoming strippers?

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A post from the Laci Green thread that shows how credible these types of "scientists" are:
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/laci-green.24724/page-26#post-3910223
This "X is a spectrum therefore I can claim whatever I want" argument needs to fucking die. Visual acuity is a spectrum, from the 20/5 (and better) to the completely blind. And eyesight is more complex than mere "eyes"; a man whose eyes are destroyed may still have an intact neural pathway for vision so he is not "blind" in this sense. That doesn't mean a blind man can "identify" as "trans-sighted" and be hired as an airline pilot.
 
“There is zero scientific evidence for anybody to feel that people, children or anybody else, should have to choose one particular gender”

This is some tossed word salad here. Let’s précis this for some clarity of thought.

Zero evidence to feel that you should have to choose a gender.

You are actually correct there, (((Scientist))). There exist no evidence that you have to choose your gender. Science does not deal in feelings and choice. You were born with it. That is 100% scientific evidence.
 
Astrobiology as a field is legit. It investigates whether extra-terrestrial environments have what it takes to support life, and much of the research actually directs us back to Earth. By studying Earth lifeforms in extreme environments (anoxia, low temperatures, methane-and-sulphur enriched environments), we have a clearer idea about the limits of life and thus be more prepared to devise tests to determine their possible presence in space.
Yet it limits us only to what we consider livable. Could a species have developed based on silicon/boron/etc. have completely different requirements than what developed on Earth?
 
I'm really tired of this line that they're "erasing trans people from existence."
I've heard this line from trans groups many, many times, long before this.
It sounds very serious, but what does it really mean? Trans people aren't going to disappear suddenly. It's not going to be like a doctor who episode where everyone forgets they were ever there. They still exist, whatever the government calls them. They remind us they exist every day.
Yet they keep repeating this line over and over.
I'm not a fan of seriously calling people NPCs but this particular phrase is extremely npc-ish and I really don't trust the thinking capabilities of anyone who parrots it.

This line does seem to come up suspiciously often. It's another reason why I'm still going with my "trans self as alter ego/false self" theory. They need a way to define away their real self, because the real self is bad. The real self isn't sufficiently masculine or feminine. Imagine being a girl who is chubby and unattractive, or a boy who is skinny and unassertive. Hell, imagine being gay. When who you are makes you feel ashamed, because you're not acting like your gender, the obvious solution is to be another gender. Every single trans desistor story I have read has sounded like this. People declare they are trans to deal with the cognitive dissonance of "I'm a girl, but I like boy stuff rather than girl stuff". It's a bizarrely inverted scheme of peer pressure. Rather than changing your gendered behavior to match your physiological sex, you change your physiological sex to change your gendered behavior. So they adopt this false front of being transgender to relieve the dissonance. Anything that threatens this, threatens to expose the real self, and is met with a reaction akin to narcissistic rage.

The very muddy definitions between physiological sex and socialized gender enable all kinds of mischief. We've seen plenty of it here already. The most tragic of these comes from the regret; when people get real dysphoria from hormones and surgery. After the honeymoon phase of trying out their new identity, their body starts to send those conflicting signals, and they get worse instead of better.
 
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