General Wrestling Discussion

[UnKillFill]

Jesus Christ, I just found out wwe made Rene Young a full time commentator... I guess they really don't want me back.

 

[XYZpdq]

Tomorrow is CMLL's big anniversary show! Celebrating 85 years of tradition!
http://luchadb.com/events/shows/00076000/00076881.php

You can stream it legit through ROH's Honor Club (9.99 for a month of service) or through some other ippv site for $10. If you can pay in pesos it's about five bucks from the ippv site.
Probably a pirate stream on taima tv if you're cheap.

Not as great a card as they were setting up with Park/Rush, but still should be some pretty good stuff.
Matt Taven is that Matt Taven from ROH. Caristico is the original guy who was Sin Cara in WWE (he's not particularly botchy now that he's got eye holes and working with guys who know how lucha works). LA Park is the original guy who was La Parka back in WCW. Penta el Zero M and King Phoenix are Pentagon jr and Fenix from AAA/LU/Impact/MLW/All In.

This is kind of historic for Park, Fenix, and Penta working Triplemania and this show in the same year. It would be roughly like bouncing from Slammiversary to Wrestlemania in about a month.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

Ring Warriors is debuting on WGN. If only they could put wrestling on TBS or TNT again.

lastwordonprowrestling.com/2018/07/24/ring-warriors-makes-return-gets-tv-deal-with-wgn-america/

Ring Warriors Makes Return, Gets TV Deal with WGN America



It’s not one of the most familiar brand names out there, but Ring Warriors is making a comeback and doing it with a splash – they’re rebooting with a new one hour television show on WGN America. The Las Vegas, Nevada based promotion made the announcement on their official Facebook page late Monday night. Their new show will debut September 15 in the 8am time slot on Saturday mornings. The first set of tapings is slated form August 8 and 9 at Sam’s Town Casino and features a cast including Impact Wrestling‘s Austin Aries and Eli Drake, Lucha Underground‘s Marty The Moth, indie talent like Jeff Cobb, Santana Garrett, Chris Bey, Alexander Hammerstone, and Luke Hawx, plus former Ring Warriors alumni like Alex Chamberlain, Wes Brisco, Cassidy Riley and Chase Stevens.

Ring Warriors Makes Return, Gets TV Deal with WGN America

Ring Warriors was originally a promotion within the pre-Billy Corgan National Wrestling Alliance (NWA), called NWA Ring Warriors, from its founding in 2011 through 2012, and based out of Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Owned by former NWA owner Howard Brody and wrestlers Vito DeNucci and Paul Jones, it folded in 2016. The promotion was based on a concept conceived by Brody and late Japanese great Hiro Matsuda, a regular of Championship Wrestling From Florida and NJPW, with the goal of bringing the Japanese style to North America – sadly, Matsuda passed away in 1999 and never saw his vision come to life. The new Ring Warriors is solely owned by Brody and will hold a tournament to crown the new Ring Warriors Grand Champion, last held in 2016 by Bruce Santee. Ring Warriors’ last champions also included Battling Bombshells Champion Santana Garrett, Global Tag Team Champions Dos Ben Dejos (Eddie Cruz & Jay Cruz) and Bahamian Champion Alex Chamberlain (a title that has its lineage with the NWA Florida Bahamian Championship from Championship Wrestling From Florida in 1982).

Ring Warriors also released the following press statement:

Las Vegas, NV – Founded by the late Hiro Matsuda, a legendary wrestler and the trainer of such international superstars as Hulk Hogan and the Great Muta, Ring Warriors today announced it has secured a U.S. cable broadcast outlet.

Starting on Saturday, September 15, 2018 at 8 a.m. ET/PT, Ring Warriors will debut on WGN America, a nationally distributed television network that reaches more than 80 million households via cable, satellite and telcos.

The series, a joint venture between Florida based Ring Warriors and Nevada based Goin’ Mobile Video Productions (GMVP), was acquired for worldwide distribution, marketing and licensing by California based Global Genesis Group (GGG).

“We are thrilled to be on such a high-profile network,” said GMVP’s Howard Lipkint, the show’s Executive Producer. “Working with Global Genesis Group to take Ring Warriors to the next level, we look forward to bringing our passion for wrestling to fans around the world.”


“Ring Warriors combines the most electric elements of high-impact sports with explosive characters and storylines that make each match feel larger than life,” added GGG President Rick Romano. “We are so excited to bring a series with such legendary roots to wrestling fans all over the world.”

Play-by-play and color analysis

Calling the action for Ring Warriors will be the team of Blake Chadwick and Larry Brannon. Chadwick, a veteran play-by-play announcer for Ring Warriors during its during previous productions (2012-2015), is joined by Brannon, a former NWA world tag team champion who performed under the name Vito DeNucci. Brannon is also the Chief Executive Officer of Ring Warriors, LLC.

“This is a big move for us,” said Brannon. “We know we have a challenge before us and we are ready, willing and able to meet that challenge. We’ve assembled an amazing array of talent to kick things off. Our goal today is the same as it has always been – to deliver an episodic wrestling product for the fans.”

Also joining the broadcast team is veteran wrestling announcer Ken Resnick, who brings more than 30 years of experience to Ring Warriors. “Killer Ken” as he is affectionately known, will be handling backstage and in-ring interview duties.

“I think Hiro would be very proud of what we are doing today with Ring Warriors,” said Howard Brody, Matsuda’s former partner and current Ring Warriors, LLC Chief Operations Officer. “Hiro had a vision that one day Ring Warriors would be on TV in the U.S. but he passed away before that was realized. After almost 20 years that vision is now a reality.”

 

[Tramadol]

There's only like one feud I want to watch on the main roster. Bryan vs Miz, Everything just seems bland to me. fucking hell I was watching summerslam on a pirate stream, it went down when Ronda was making her entrance. So I try to find a new one, by the time I found a new stream Ronda already won the title

 

[Chuggernaut]

There's only like one feud I want to watch on the main roster. Bryan vs Miz, Everything just seems bland to me. fucking hell I was watching summerslam on a pirate stream, it went down when Ronda was making her entrance. So I try to find a new one, by the time I found a new stream Ronda already won the title

I actually liked the Seth vs Zigglypuff feud before Roman ate it to look strong.

 

[Tramadol]

I actually liked the Seth vs Zigglypuff feud before Roman ate it to look strong.

WE GOTTA MAKE ROMAN LOOK STRONG

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Why is WWE turning Braun heel? He's completely in the right to be upset that the Shield pulled a dick move and stopped his cash-in on RAW a couple weeks ago.

Roman would be great playing a coward heel with a persecution complex who needs his brothers to cover for his inadequacies. This would be what was happening is creative knew how to write a story.

But I'll still keep watching because I like most of the wrestlers involved someone please help me. I have wrestling autism and it's a hell that is inescapable.

They have to protect Roman's title reign. We're expecting one that's going to last until Wrestlemania. It took him four years to beat Brock so they (the WWE) want to make it seem worth it.

Was it? No, no one thinks so and this whole thing makes the Shield look bad and the heels have a reason to attack them. The WWE made what used to be essentially an anti-bullying group into the bullies (again).

Don't get me started on Becky's heel turn or what Road Dogg said about it.

It's like the WWE just no longer cares about storylines. Like yeah sure modern era has storylines that may last three months if you're lucky, now it's three weeks it's pushing it. Look at how long the storyline behind Flip Gordon's All In story went and the final pay off, sure it was a gimmick match in the end but it was damn good. Or the storyline behind Joey Ryan's return after being "killed". A bunch of indie guys thought of these ideas that Vince would have shot down and look how they paid off.

I should mention this. Bret Hart had a better title run than Roman did and he went up against the likes of Virgil and Skinner.

I don't know my Japanese stuff good enough to speculate. Maybe there's power levels you can determine from "Santo beat XX, XX beat Rikidozan, therefore Santo > Rikidozan" or vice versa?

Inoki was upset that The Great Antonio wasn't selling for him and got upset in the match. I'm not sure but I think that was the fight that had it so that the foreign wrestler couldn't show back up in Japan because the Japanese wrestler would legit kill the guy.

Today you don't see that there all that much, there are so many wrestlers there that no sell everything that it's become a gimmick/ trademark for certain ones.

Should mention that Rikidōzan did have a match with The Great Antonio. Antonio got the shit beaten out of him in that one too. He may be beloved in Montreal but he couldn't wrestle in Japan's style to save his life. Only reason why Inoki got away with his assault on Antonio in '77 was because he was the promoter.

Antonio would also go insane later in his life, not sure if that has anything to do with the number of times he had his head kicked off in matches (probably).

 

[Zaragoza]

Inoki was upset that The Great Antonio wasn't selling for him and got upset in the match. I'm not sure but I think that was the fight that had it so that the foreign wrestler couldn't show back up in Japan because the Japanese wrestler would legit kill the guy.

Today you don't see that there all that much, there are so many wrestlers there that no sell everything that it's become a gimmick/ trademark for certain ones.

Should mention that Rikidōzan did have a match with The Great Antonio. Antonio got the shit beaten out of him in that one too. He may be beloved in Montreal but he couldn't wrestle in Japan's style to save his life. Only reason why Inoki got away with his assault on Antonio in '77 was because he was the promoter.

Antonio would also go insane later in his life, not sure if that has anything to do with the number of times he had his head kicked off in matches (probably).

What did that had to do with El Santo vs Rikidozan?

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

What did that had to do with El Santo vs Rikidozan?

I was talking about the match that was posted between Inoki and Great Antonio which was what commented on. Back in the day, it wasn't hard to see who fought who as they tended to stay in their territories, but if someone left their territory than people in the new one would want a match with them. I think that's how the "showmanship" style of wrestling really got off. Before that, there was really just two styles that got off. One if you were in Japan, but that would change in the mid 80's or so.

There are sites out there dedicated to finding out who fought who but you can't cross reference them without some third party software, and of course, depending on the timeline of the fight there won't be any evidence of it such as no videos or even photos being taken during the match.

 

[XYZpdq]

So looks like Matt Hardy's retiring.
Somebody on /wooo/ joked "Stronger than death, but not the WWE touring schedule"

 

[ForgedBlades]

 

[UnKillFill]

So, I didn't even think to watch HIAC through my current means, due to a several significantly juicier cage matches happening Sunday... Was it even worth watching? I only ask because I already looked up the results (and was mostly meh about them). At very least, were there any matches decent enough to be worth checking out by themselves?

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

So, I didn't even think to watch HIAC through my current means, due to a several significantly juicier cage matches happening Sunday... Was it even worth watching? I only ask because I already looked up the results (and was mostly meh about them). At very least, were there any matches decent enough to be worth checking out by themselves?

No, the only good match was Drew and Ziggler v. Seth and Dean. The mixed match was terrible with the women botching moves. This match with Samoa Joe v. AJ Styles wasn't as good as the last one. Main event was bullshit.

 

[UnKillFill]

No, the only good match was Drew and Ziggler v. Seth and Dean. The mixed match was terrible with the women botching moves. This match with Samoa Joe v. AJ Styles wasn't as good as the last one. Main event was bullshit.

Sadly, that's why I hardly even care about WWE at the moment...

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

Sadly, that's why I hardly even care about WWE at the moment...

I get they want to protect Reigns and keep AJ with the belt longer but Road Dogg said himself if the person is "super over" they don't need the belt, so you could say Reigns doesn't need the belt either to get over.

Oh, and the match with Becky and Charlotte...I have no idea what Becky did, it was like some rolling DDT or something. Looked botched.

 

[UnKillFill]

I get they want to protect Reigns and keep AJ with the belt longer but Road Dogg said himself if the person is "super over" they don't need the belt, so you could say Reigns doesn't need the belt either to get over.

Oh, and the match with Becky and Charlotte...I have no idea what Becky did, it was like some rolling DDT or something. Looked botched.

I just read the results, and I could honestly barely give a damn about the divas at all (I'll stop calling them that when WWE stops calling them that on their shitty E! show) but Becky winning was one of the few things I actually liked. (Miz and his ho beating Bryan and his ho was another)

 

[Martys_not_smarty]

hey have to protect Roman's title reign. We're expecting one that's going to last until Wrestlemania. It took him four years to beat Brock so they (the WWE) want to make it seem worth it.

Just curious but when do you think they'll cash in their ace in the hole John Cena winning the title that one last time to overtake Ric Flair as the winning-est champion of all time?Because lets face it, it's a matter of when not if.

 

[Anonymus Fluhre]

So looks like Matt Hardy's retiring.
Somebody on /wooo/ joked "Stronger than death, but not the WWE touring schedule"

Just curious but when do you think they'll cash in their ace in the hole John Cena winning the title that one last time to overtake Ric Flair as the winning-est champion of all time?Because lets face it, it's a matter of when not if.

Ric Flair actually has more title wins, I think they're only counting the ones the WWE owns the rights to the videos to after buying nearly all of the territories and the NWA wins (something they can show/ talk about, but do not own.)

 

[Martys_not_smarty]

That's is true that they're painting it as title wins from the catalog they own and even then the number is kinda skewed there's at least a margin of error of three but the endgame is still the same they're gonna pull that wild card out sooner or later whenever either the ratings get that low or Cena comes back from doing movies because it's the perfect combination.

 

[XYZpdq]

Ric Flair actually has more title wins, I think they're only counting the ones the WWE owns the rights to the videos to after buying nearly all of the territories and the NWA wins (something they can show/ talk about, but do not own.)

As far as I understand the 16 figure is just something they kinda pulled out of their ass. The real figure is 20ish, but I think there's a few "uhh this match totally happened overseas, guys" type title changes in there, too.