Disaster How tech's richest plan to save themselves after the apocalypse - Life boat for me, not for thee - or look what counts as success

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https://www.theguardian.com/technol...try-wealth-futurism-transhumanism-singularity

‘The Event was their euphemism for the environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, virus, or hack that takes everything down.’

Last year, I got invited to a super-deluxe private resort to deliver a keynote speech to what I assumed would be a hundred or so investment bankers. It was by far the largest fee I had ever been offered for a talk – about half my annual professor’s salary – all to deliver some insight on the subject of “the future of technology”.

I’ve never liked talking about the future. The Q&A sessions always end up more like parlor games, where I’m asked to opine on the latest technology buzzwords as if they were ticker symbols for potential investments: blockchain, 3D printing, Crispr. The audiences are rarely interested in learning about these technologies or their potential impacts beyond the binary choice of whether or not to invest in them. But money talks, so I took the gig.

After I arrived, I was ushered into what I thought was the green room. But instead of being wired with a microphone or taken to a stage, I just sat there at a plain round table as my audience was brought to me: five super-wealthy guys – yes, all men – from the upper echelon of the hedge fund world. After a bit of small talk, I realized they had no interest in the information I had prepared about the future of technology. They had come with questions of their own.

They started out innocuously enough. Ethereum or bitcoin? Is quantum computing a real thing? Slowly but surely, however, they edged into their real topics of concern.

Which region will be less affected by the coming climate crisis: New Zealand or Alaska? Is Google really building Ray Kurzweil a home for his brain, and will his consciousness live through the transition, or will it die and be reborn as a whole new one? Finally, the CEO of a brokerage house explained that he had nearly completed building his own underground bunker system and asked: “How do I maintain authority over my security force after the Event?”

The Event. That was their euphemism for the environmental collapse, social unrest, nuclear explosion, unstoppable virus, or Mr Robot hack that takes everything down.

It’s a reduction of human evolution to a video game won by finding the escape hatch and bringing BFFs along for the ride

This single question occupied us for the rest of the hour. They knew armed guards would be required to protect their compounds from the angry mobs. But how would they pay the guards once money was worthless? What would stop the guards from choosing their own leader? The billionaires considered using special combination locks on the food supply that only they knew. Or making guards wear disciplinary collars of some kind in return for their survival. Or maybe building robots to serve as guards and workers – if that technology could be developed in time.

That’s when it hit me: at least as far as these gentlemen were concerned, this was a talk about the future of technology. Taking their cue from Elon Musk colonizing Mars, Peter Thiel reversing the ageing process, or Sam Altman and Ray Kurzweil uploading their minds into supercomputers, they were preparing for a digital future that had a whole lot less to do with making the world a better place than it did with transcending the human condition altogether and insulating themselves from a very real and present danger of climate change, rising sea levels, mass migrations, global pandemics, nativist panic, and resource depletion. For them, the future of technology is really about just one thing: escape.

There’s nothing wrong with madly optimistic appraisals of how technology might benefit human society. But the current drive for a post-human utopia is something else. It’s less a vision for the wholesale migration of humanity to a new a state of being than a quest to transcend all that is human: the body, interdependence, compassion, vulnerability, and complexity. As technology philosophers have been pointing out for years, now, the transhumanist vision too easily reduces all of reality to data, concluding that “humans are nothing but information-processing objects”.

It’s a reduction of human evolution to a video game that someone wins by finding the escape hatch and then letting a few of his BFFs come along for the ride. Will it be Musk, Bezos, Thiel … Zuckerberg? These billionaires are the presumptive winners of the digital economy – the same survival-of-the-fittest business landscape that’s fueling most of this speculation to begin with.

Of course, it wasn’t always this way. There was a brief moment, in the early 1990s, when the digital future felt open-ended and up for our invention. Technology was becoming a playground for the counterculture, who saw in it the opportunity to create a more inclusive, distributed, and pro-human future. But established business interests only saw new potentials for the same old extraction, and too many technologists were seduced by unicorn IPOs. Digital futures became understood more like stock futures or cotton futures – something to predict and make bets on. So nearly every speech, article, study, documentary, or white paper was seen as relevant only insofar as it pointed to a ticker symbol. The future became less a thing we create through our present-day choices or hopes for humankind than a predestined scenario we bet on with our venture capital but arrive at passively.

This freed everyone from the moral implications of their activities. Technology development became less a story of collective flourishing than personal survival. Worse, as I learned, to call attention to any of this was to unintentionally cast oneself as an enemy of the market or an anti-technology curmudgeon.

So instead of considering the practical ethics of impoverishing and exploiting the many in the name of the few, most academics, journalists, and science fiction writers instead considered much more abstract and fanciful conundrums: is it fair for a stock trader to use smart drugs? Should children get implants for foreign languages? Do we want autonomous vehicles to prioritize the lives of pedestrians over those of its passengers? Should the first Mars colonies be run as democracies? Does changing my DNA undermine my identity? Should robots have rights?

Asking these sorts of questions, while philosophically entertaining, is a poor substitute for wrestling with the real moral quandaries associated with unbridled technological development in the name of corporate capitalism. Digital platforms have turned an already exploitative and extractive marketplace (think Walmart) into an even more dehumanizing successor (think Amazon). Most of us became aware of these downsides in the form of automated jobs, the gig economy, and the demise of local retail.

But the more devastating impacts of pedal-to-the-metal digital capitalism fall on the environment and global poor. The manufacture of some of our computers and smartphones still uses networks of slave labor. These practices are so deeply entrenched that a company called Fairphone, founded from the ground up to make and market ethical phones, learned it was impossible. (The company’s founder now sadly refers to their products as “fairer” phones.)

Meanwhile, the mining of rare earth metals and disposal of our highly digital technologies destroys human habitats, replacing them with toxic waste dumps, which are then picked over by peasant children and their families, who sell usable materials back to the manufacturers.

This “out of sight, out of mind” externalization of poverty and poison doesn’t go away just because we’ve covered our eyes with VR goggles and immersed ourselves in an alternate reality. If anything, the longer we ignore the social, economic, and environmental repercussions, the more of a problem they become. This, in turn, motivates even more withdrawal, more isolationism and apocalyptic fantasy – and more desperately concocted technologies and business plans. The cycle feeds itself.

The more committed we are to this view of the world, the more we come to see human beings as the problem and technology as the solution. The very essence of what it means to be human is treated less as a feature than a bug. No matter their embedded biases, technologies are declared neutral. Any bad behaviors they induce in us are just a reflection of our own corrupted core. It’s as if some innate human savagery is to blame for our troubles. Just as the inefficiency of a local taxi market can be “solved” with an app that bankrupts human drivers, the vexing inconsistencies of the human psyche can be corrected with a digital or genetic upgrade.

Ultimately, according to the technosolutionist orthodoxy, the human future climaxes by uploading our consciousness to a computer or, perhaps better, accepting that technology itself is our evolutionary successor. Like members of a gnostic cult, we long to enter the next transcendent phase of our development, shedding our bodies and leaving them behind, along with our sins and troubles.

Our movies and television shows play out these fantasies for us. Zombie shows depict a post-apocalypse where people are no better than the undead – and seem to know it. Worse, these shows invite viewers to imagine the future as a zero-sum battle between the remaining humans, where one group’s survival is dependent on another one’s demise. Even Westworld – based on a science fiction novel in which robots run amok – ended its second season with the ultimate reveal: human beings are simpler and more predictable than the artificial intelligences we create. The robots learn that each of us can be reduced to just a few lines of code, and that we’re incapable of making any willful choices. Heck, even the robots in that show want to escape the confines of their bodies and spend their rest of their lives in a computer simulation.

The mental gymnastics required for such a profound role reversal between humans and machines all depend on the underlying assumption that humans suck. Let’s either change them or get away from them, forever.

Thus, we get tech billionaires launching electric cars into space – as if this symbolizes something more than one billionaire’s capacity for corporate promotion. And if a few people do reach escape velocity and somehow survive in a bubble on Mars – despite our inability to maintain such a bubble even here on Earth in either of two multibillion-dollar biosphere trials – the result will be less a continuation of the human diaspora than a lifeboat for the elite.
 
Yeah; if someone finds themselves in the "Yee haw we survived the attack and the fallout and were able to hide that we could eat and drink for six months" I hope their diet includes a healthy appetite for lawn chairs, beer coozies, school supplies and rotted fish because that's all that's going to be left inside a supermarket after half a year post nuclear attack.

And I wouldn't bet the house on any of that having a 100% chance of being there, either.
Hence why my plan for a nuclear attack is to down a bunch of whiskey, put a gun in my mouth, and make a brain slushie. Or you know, a typical Thursday night.

Hopefully the Vault Dweller saves these hippies so they can learn some common sense and form the NCR.
Shit even the Followers of the Apocalypse had armed guards. How can anyone be so naïve to think that if you want to survive in a violent world, you need some sort of weaponry. Having a weapon doesn't mean you're eager to use it.
 
Most people don't know that even canned food loses its nutritional value after a set period of time. Most people have no idea how to tell if a water source is clean or not much less what iodine tablets are for. They don't know how to read a geiger counter, don't know how to read weather signs, or any other actual survival traits. Funny thing, toothpaste, toothbrush, dental floss, and sunscreen is a vital part of your survival gear, right up there with iodine, bactine, and a suture kit.

Even if these people rode out whatever apocalypse happens, IF the last desperate survivors don't dig them out to kill, rape, and eat them (not necessarily in that order), IF their exits don't lead into a hellzone of toxic environment...

What do they have to offer the survivors that have been working six months to a year to rebuild society?

What are they storing for trade goods? Do they think their armed security will just take it from these people when the bullets in those rifles are worth more than their own lives? How do they plan on staying wealthy? Even gasoline goes bad in storage unless you know what you're doing.

Even IF they ride it out, what do they think will prevent them from becoming "Farm Slave #68"? The Warlord is probably going to be heavier armed and be able to offer their security guys much sweeter deals. (I will give you 3 pussy passes per week to my wonderful brothel, double rations, a private apartment, and you will be a Tier-One Citizen in my glorious 30 square mile domain!) And most of those rich people are fucking assholes. Let's be honest. Not very many of them would be palatable for long in person.

The good CoG sites, the ones designed to handle more than like 50 guys, were marvels of 1950's/1960's engineering, brute force worst case scenario engineering all the way. Designed to ensure survival, not only of the people, but of their mental state. Some of them even adjusted for births and death. Even then, they were more "Hopefully this works" than "I WILL SURVIVE ALL A-PACK-O-LIPS!" sites, and that was the best that 1950's "ethical" research could come up with.

I doubt these rich guys are willing to sink tens of millions of dollars, millions of man hours of work, in building a CoG site.

They're gonna die, or be "Butt Slave #17" in "The People's Glorious Brothel of the Workers!" in the Warlord Cletus McFuckstick's 60 square mile kingdom.
 
Most people don't know that even canned food loses its nutritional value after a set period of time. Most people have no idea how to tell if a water source is clean or not much less what iodine tablets are for. They don't know how to read a geiger counter, don't know how to read weather signs, or any other actual survival traits. Funny thing, toothpaste, toothbrush, dental floss, and sunscreen is a vital part of your survival gear, right up there with iodine, bactine, and a suture kit.

Even if these people rode out whatever apocalypse happens, IF the last desperate survivors don't dig them out to kill, rape, and eat them (not necessarily in that order), IF their exits don't lead into a hellzone of toxic environment...

What do they have to offer the survivors that have been working six months to a year to rebuild society?

What are they storing for trade goods? Do they think their armed security will just take it from these people when the bullets in those rifles are worth more than their own lives? How do they plan on staying wealthy? Even gasoline goes bad in storage unless you know what you're doing.

Even IF they ride it out, what do they think will prevent them from becoming "Farm Slave #68"? The Warlord is probably going to be heavier armed and be able to offer their security guys much sweeter deals. (I will give you 3 pussy passes per week to my wonderful brothel, double rations, a private apartment, and you will be a Tier-One Citizen in my glorious 30 square mile domain!) And most of those rich people are fucking assholes. Let's be honest. Not very many of them would be palatable for long in person.

The good CoG sites, the ones designed to handle more than like 50 guys, were marvels of 1950's/1960's engineering, brute force worst case scenario engineering all the way. Designed to ensure survival, not only of the people, but of their mental state. Some of them even adjusted for births and death. Even then, they were more "Hopefully this works" than "I WILL SURVIVE ALL A-PACK-O-LIPS!" sites, and that was the best that 1950's "ethical" research could come up with.

I doubt these rich guys are willing to sink tens of millions of dollars, millions of man hours of work, in building a CoG site.

They're gonna die, or be "Butt Slave #17" in "The People's Glorious Brothel of the Workers!" in the Warlord Cletus McFuckstick's 60 square mile kingdom.
This, so much this. Rich people tend to be giant self-absorbed douche bags. The reason they are tolerated by most people is they pay them to work for them or even be around them. Go look at any interview with a star who is now broke. Their "friends" in their little entourage disappear as soon as the money flow runs dry. Few rich people are actually genuinely nice from my experience. Usually they tend to be rather intense dickheads who think they're above everyone around them. They're very much mocked by the people around them because they're usually pompous jerks.

They will be some of the first people either killed or enslaved because there are a lot of enemies out there that they've made.

Now in the kind of environment the guy who can repair cars, build stuff, engineer shit like a clean source of water or an energy source will be very valuable. The guy who has medical skills will be invaluable because we tend not to realize how many little things can kill you. A cut on your hand if infected can kill you just as easily as a bullet to the skull.

I like how you reference toothpaste and other items. It's one of the reasons we have lived longer and better than before. Hygiene plays a big part in health. Also having a clean mouth is a luxury creature comfort. Go a few days without brushing and if you think that's gross, just wait until you have some serious ass breath because there are no means to clean your bacteria laden mouth. That's also contributing to heart issues, believe it or not.

Also the food situation. You're dead on about that. People think "Oh canned food last forever". While technically it could theoretically last for a very long time, it will not have the same nutritional value or taste that it had when first canned. Also, food is one of those things where you want it to not suck in taste. It's one of those little creature comforts we take for granted.

I had a friend who was building a survival bag and I kept asking him where a good knife was in there. He looked at me like I was an idiot because I explained a knife is probably one of the most important parts of a kit if you know how to use one. And by that I mean not as a weapon but as a tool to make other tools such as shelter, traps, a spear/bow, dress an animal, build a fire, etc. etc. People really don't get how mundane and boring actual survival training is. You're not going to go do run and gun battles all day. You're going to go procure clean drinking water, food, shelter, etc.
 
Yeah, consider me not wanting to live through the end of civilization. Rich people think they will be masters of the ashes. Nuh-uh. They aren't charismatic leaders, most of them didn't even get wealthy on their own, they hand it handed it to them. Most of them don't know how to interact with the 'plebs'. Most will die. You kidding? There's no way they live. Especially since they're the ones most likely to end the world.

But still, yeah, I'm not scrounging around for food, antibiotics, defending a shelter, farming, worrying about the winter....fuck that shit. Just kill me with the nukes. I know what it takes to survive the end of civilization and I'm not doing that shit, because I ain't surviving to see civilization re-emerge.
 
Yeah, consider me not wanting to live through the end of civilization. Rich people think they will be masters of the ashes. Nuh-uh. They aren't charismatic leaders, most of them didn't even get wealthy on their own, they hand it handed it to them. Most of them don't know how to interact with the 'plebs'. Most will die. You kidding? There's no way they live. Especially since they're the ones most likely to end the world.

But still, yeah, I'm not scrounging around for food, antibiotics, defending a shelter, farming, worrying about the winter....fuck that shit. Just kill me with the nukes. I know what it takes to survive the end of civilization and I'm not doing that shit, because I ain't surviving to see civilization re-emerge.
Seriously, anyone who is stoked for such a horrible way of life is a very horrible person. Fallout is fun as a game, an escape from the mundanity of life from time to time but to actually live that is to just be in hell.
 
I'm just happy that NZ is far away enough that when everything does go to shit it'll be hard to actual get here.

Plus if they try any of the aforementioned bullshit the locals won't take to kindly to them. Oddly enough mainlanders - especially rural mainlanders don't take kindly to snobby rich gobshites telling them what to do.
 
I'm just happy that NZ is far away enough that when everything does go to shit it'll be hard to actual get here.

Plus if they try any of the aforementioned bullshit the locals won't take to kindly to them. Oddly enough mainlanders - especially rural mainlanders don't take kindly to snobby rich gobshites telling them what to do.
You got your own problems. All them walking trees we left when we filmed the Lord of the Rings movies! Also you have Xena to protect you. Mmm mmm...I'd like to get into her warrior princess and battle on if you know what I mean.
 
You got your own problems. All them walking trees we left when we filmed the Lord of the Rings movies! Also you have Xena to protect you. Mmm mmm...I'd like to get into her warrior princess and battle on if you know what I mean.

Fair point. Lucy Lawless is a total milf and Id definitely let her sit on my face.
 
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Fair point. Lucy Lawless is a total milf and I definitely let her sit on my face.
And you totally have to have her do that Xena battle cry while she does it. That's one thing I like about those shows, they had some really hot women. The chick who played Gabrielle is from Katy, TX. Mmm mmm she was fine too.
 
I had a friend who was building a survival bag and I kept asking him where a good knife was in there. He looked at me like I was an idiot because I explained a knife is probably one of the most important parts of a kit if you know how to use one. And by that I mean not as a weapon but as a tool to make other tools such as shelter, traps, a spear/bow, dress an animal, build a fire, etc. etc. People really don't get how mundane and boring actual survival training is. You're not going to go do run and gun battles all day. You're going to go procure clean drinking water, food, shelter, etc.
I've got "go-bags" because forest fires and air quality are a serious issue (Along with the VERY slim chance of volcanic eruption) and I always have a knife, a wire saw, hand axe, a box of 9mm (no pistol though), fishing line in several different weights, extra batteries (rechargable) and a charger that will plug into my truck's lighter, a lighter plug USB charger, flashlights, a magnifying glass, a compass, and of coure, the handy dandy Swiss Army Knife (one of the useful ones, not the 9 million tools that don't work ones). My wife carries a lot of the medical supplies, mainly because she knows how to use them better than I do. Even though we don't have infants, we have diapers in the go-bag in the truck, along with a can of formula that we swap out every couple months, and a bottle, some diaper rash cream, and a tin of udder balm.

I got asked by someone why the knife. They couldn't seem to comprehend that the knife is the longest existing and most useful tool in mankind's existance. Fucking "Veronica" had a knife, what's why her weird looking ass survived on the ground. You cut hours off of your time if you already have a knife so you can build a shelter if necessary, cut dry wood for a fire, otherwise you have to take a few hours to craft a good one, and it ain't like Minecraft. It takes an hour or so (if you're REALLY lucky) to find a good piece of stone to chip, a chipping piece, then hours to work the stone, so bringing a good steel knife (not cheap shit chromed Chinese shit) puts you way up there. If you have one with the teeth on the back of the blade, you can use it to saw branches real quick. A good comfortable grip to avoid blisters.

Same person asked me about the stuff I don't need. The 9mm bullets, the formula, the diapers, ect.

Trade, or in case I run into someone who desperately needs it. I ain't standing there watching an infant be hungry and in pain when 5 minutes of forethought and 2lbs of gear could make the difference.

Sorry, sperging again.
 
I've got "go-bags" because forest fires and air quality are a serious issue (Along with the VERY slim chance of volcanic eruption) and I always have a knife, a wire saw, hand axe, a box of 9mm (no pistol though), fishing line in several different weights, extra batteries (rechargable) and a charger that will plug into my truck's lighter, a lighter plug USB charger, flashlights, a magnifying glass, a compass, and of coure, the handy dandy Swiss Army Knife (one of the useful ones, not the 9 million tools that don't work ones). My wife carries a lot of the medical supplies, mainly because she knows how to use them better than I do. Even though we don't have infants, we have diapers in the go-bag in the truck, along with a can of formula that we swap out every couple months, and a bottle, some diaper rash cream, and a tin of udder balm.

I got asked by someone why the knife. They couldn't seem to comprehend that the knife is the longest existing and most useful tool in mankind's existance. Fucking "Veronica" had a knife, what's why her weird looking ass survived on the ground. You cut hours off of your time if you already have a knife so you can build a shelter if necessary, cut dry wood for a fire, otherwise you have to take a few hours to craft a good one, and it ain't like Minecraft. It takes an hour or so (if you're REALLY lucky) to find a good piece of stone to chip, a chipping piece, then hours to work the stone, so bringing a good steel knife (not cheap shit chromed Chinese shit) puts you way up there. If you have one with the teeth on the back of the blade, you can use it to saw branches real quick. A good comfortable grip to avoid blisters.

Same person asked me about the stuff I don't need. The 9mm bullets, the formula, the diapers, ect.

Trade, or in case I run into someone who desperately needs it. I ain't standing there watching an infant be hungry and in pain when 5 minutes of forethought and 2lbs of gear could make the difference.

Sorry, sperging again.
Oh god I did the stone knife thing in the Army once. What a giant pain in the ass that shit was! We had a drill sergeant who was one of those real gung-ho crazy types. One sunday when he was the only one watching us he decided to show us how to make one. It really can be effective once you get it going but nothing beats a good carbon steel blade that you know how to use real well.

My friend was like "Stainless steel is better, durr!!" and I had to explain that it's pretty and all that shit but carbon steel is better for heavy duty use. He also thought "revolvers are obsolete" and that anything not semi-auto was worthless in combat. These people have the mentality of inefficient and high volume shooting will win battles. They're a victim of watching too many action movies. I tried to explain that even in the army as an infantryman, we kept our M16's on semi auto because you want to make hits count. He didn't understand a combat load of 210 rounds isn't really that much and you don't want to just waste it blasting away at nothing. Trying to explain how to properly shoot a machine gun was met with "no, in the matrix they just blast away and still have ammo!". He was a real idiot. He also used Call of Duty as a reference to why the M4 is way better than the M1 Garand I got in a trade. Babbling on about optics and shit. I explained that while optics are useful, good old iron sights don't run out of juice or break nearly as easily as glass sights. Of course being an idiot, he had no idea how clearing rooms in combat works. It's just run and gun to these morons. And that since it's hard to legally obtain full-auto in America, it's better to have a battle rifle as a combat weapon since semi-auto is semi-auto. He couldn't understand the concept of what gives assault weapons an advantage is they are easier to handle in full auto. Without it, the advantage is just weight really. Well that and the length tends to be shorter for clearing rooms. But in a more open battle field a battle rifle has more reach and power just because the rounds are much bigger.

I did mention the other tools like a good hatchet will save a lot of trouble in the long run. Too many people focus on fighting when it comes to survival but it really is the more boring shit we don't think about because we built a society where you don't have to. Water comes from a tap, light from above with a flick of a switch, and heat/cool from your central unit in your home. Explaining things like "Filter then boil water" seems like "gay" shit to them because it's mundane but necessary to get clean water.

Don't even try to get someone like that to start a fire without any matches or lighter. They get damp sticks and just rub them in a weird confusion why it isn't working like tv.
 
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ITT: None of you have read Nick Land

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Seriously, anyone who is stoked for such a horrible way of life is a very horrible person. Fallout is fun as a game, an escape from the mundanity of life from time to time but to actually live that is to just be in hell.

Scenario 1: Ultimate End of Earth

"Haha, we beat all those stupid peons! We get to live!"

"Uhh...now what?"

You watch the same things. You do the same things over and over and over again. You slowly start to go insane because there's no different stimulation. Its the same people over and over again, the same conversations over and over. The same arguments. The world outside is unchanging, uninhabitable wasteland. The same conversations. The same food. The same water. The same everything.

Let them have their fucking living hell.

Scenario 2:

Survival, but Civilization Ending:

Scrounging for food everyday or worrying about the food supply or the hydroponics going out. Or the water filters. Looking over your back every single second, praying that the people protecting you don't get a better offer from some other rich sociopath who wants to rebuild civilization in his own image. Hope the antibiotics don't run out. Hope the people with you are worth it. You don't know how to shoot a gun, use a knife, get food or treat wounds. Life is a game of constant fear and authority, before your wife finally slits your throat since she's been fucking one of the guards who is secretly for another rich Warlord and gives him a better deal.

Oh yeah, sounds like a WONDERFUL time.
 
Scenario 1: Ultimate End of Earth

"Haha, we beat all those stupid peons! We get to live!"

"Uhh...now what?"

You watch the same things. You do the same things over and over and over again. You slowly start to go insane because there's no different stimulation. Its the same people over and over again, the same conversations over and over. The same arguments. The world outside is unchanging, uninhabitable wasteland. The same conversations. The same food. The same water. The same everything.

Let them have their fucking living hell.

Scenario 2:

Survival, but Civilization Ending:

Scrounging for food everyday or worrying about the food supply or the hydroponics going out. Or the water filters. Looking over your back every single second, praying that the people protecting you don't get a better offer from some other rich sociopath who wants to rebuild civilization in his own image. Hope the antibiotics don't run out. Hope the people with you are worth it. You don't know how to shoot a gun, use a knife, get food or treat wounds. Life is a game of constant fear and authority, before your wife finally slits your throat since she's been fucking one of the guards who is secretly for another rich Warlord and gives him a better deal.

Oh yeah, sounds like a WONDERFUL time.
It's why Hobbe's leviathan still holds up. Life like that would be short, brutish, and miserable. As libertarian as I am, I'm not an anarchist who wants to just be whoever has the most guns wins. We need to have a fair and just society with a power that can stop people from destroying all of us.

The idea of foraging for some food to help alleviate a growling stomach and bloated belly would be horrible. Being a walking skeleton with a short and miserable life would just be one of the largest hells on earth. People don't understand that fictional portrayals of the post-apocalyptic world either don't get how shitty it is or make it seem like this grand adventure.
 
Oh god I did the stone knife thing in the Army once. What a giant pain in the ass that shit was! We had a drill sergeant who was one of those real gung-ho crazy types. One sunday when he was the only one watching us he decided to show us how to make one. It really can be effective once you get it going but nothing beats a good carbon steel blade that you know how to use real well.

My friend was like "Stainless steel is better, durr!!" and I had to explain that it's pretty and all that shit but carbon steel is better for heavy duty use. He also thought "revolvers are obsolete" and that anything not semi-auto was worthless in combat. These people have the mentality of inefficient and high volume shooting will win battles. They're a victim of watching too many action movies. I tried to explain that even in the army as an infantryman, we kept our M16's on semi auto because you want to make hits count. He didn't understand a combat load of 210 rounds isn't really that much and you don't want to just waste it blasting away at nothing. Trying to explain how to properly shoot a machine gun was met with "no, in the matrix they just blast away and still have ammo!". He was a real idiot. He also used Call of Duty as a reference to why the M4 is way better than the M1 Garand I got in a trade. Babbling on about optics and shit. I explained that while optics are useful, good old iron sights don't run out of juice or break nearly as easily as glass sights. Of course being an idiot, he had no idea how clearing rooms in combat works. It's just run and gun to these morons. And that since it's hard to legally obtain full-auto in America, it's better to have a battle rifle as a combat weapon since semi-auto is semi-auto. He couldn't understand the concept of what gives assault weapons an advantage is they are easier to handle in full auto. Without it, the advantage is just weight really.

I did mention the other tools like a good hatchet will save a lot of trouble in the long run. Too many people focus on fighting when it comes to survival but it really is the more boring shit we don't think about because we built a society where you don't have to. Water comes from a tap, light from above with a flick of a switch, and heat/cool from your central unit in your home. Explaining things like "Filter then boil water" seems like "gay" shit to them because it's mundane but necessary to get clean water.

Don't even try to get someone like that to start a fire without any matches or lighter. They get damp sticks and just rub them in a weird confusion why it isn't working like tv.
Lots of people don't figure on weight either. If you can't ruck your pack for 5 miles without blisters and rubbed raw armpits, then it might as well not be packed. I've got extra air filters in my truck (volcanic ash does a number on air filters from my hazy recollections), but I know that one simple $10 part can mean I have to leave the truck behind and everything's on foot. If your go-bag weighs 65 lbs in a bag with a strap on it, it's worthless. Yeah, it looks all "har-har-har redneck" that our go-bags are old extra-large infantry rucks with the frames, but those things have been designed to go far and take abuse.

I've done the "rub sticks to get fire" before, and holy shit, you end up spending like half an hour just in prep, forty-five minutes if you use the bow method. Since ash-fall, smoke, and air quality is an issue, I can't even bet on magnifying glasses working, so it's waterproof matches with flint and steel for long term.

Another thing I've noticed about all these "survival types" who seem to think a few games of This War of Mine and Minecraft and The Last of Us taught them how to find food. Christ, during survival training I ate fucking bugs I found under a rock, earthworms, whatever had protien that came my way. Bitch, I'm a survivor, queasiness is for the weak. Butchering a rabbit or wood-rat or, if you REALLY score, a deer, is a skill that it takes time to learn. Hell, most people don't even know that one of the best things for tanning leather is human urine, another is brains.

Shit, I gotta be careful or I'll start sperging bad.

One thing is, I imagine the bunkers of the Rich & Powerful Lord & Masters would end up something like Vault Zero in Fallout: Tactics.

Vital parts of the facility removed to make room for petting zoos, golf courses, swimming pools, and lounges.

The CoG Program found out that one of the biggest and easiest mistakes to make is have the VIP apartments be far and above that of security, maintenance, and craft workers. I could see some rich douchebag building 32 man bays for his security and workers, while him and his friends have luxurious 5-star accomidations. CoG figured that maybe 3 months would pass before the VIP's ended up dead or evicted from the site.

The facility would need to have repair stocks, from floor panels, suspended ceiling panels, lights, wiring, fuses, invironmental filters, the whole nine yards. Now, good planning would have it where the supplies were cleared out to make room for birthrate expansion, additional hydroponics, other systems.

Vehicles would have to be kept inside. Luxury vehicles would be a no-go. All vehicles would have to have the fluids drained, correct fasteners loosened, lifted up on cables with the tires removed. Then, you'd have to go through about a 4 day process to bring the vehicle back up to optimum working condition once you wanted to use it.

Fuel would be a major thing. Gasoline (Unleaded) goes bad after a period of time. Deisel is better, as is military mo-gas (unleaded), with a longer shelf-life. But you'd have to make sure it didn't contiminate your artesian system (if you're tapped into the aquifier for drinking water) or otherwise leak back into the soil.

Water is a HUGE one. Not only where are you going to get it, but how much you have in tanks, and how it is disposed of. A drilled well could be rendered useless by earth-shift if a near-hit in the upper kiloton or (god forbid) a megaton range goes airburst. Artesian can be contaminated by up-water-table industrial spills. Water is one of the primary worries.

(Exit, Air, Water, Food, Supplies, Power, Comfort, according to CoG)

I've seen a few bunkers (Ah, Pacific Northwest, never stop being amusing as you were during Y2K) and it startled me how many of the places only had a single air intake point. Not smart. Multiple, even if you have them filled with insulation until needed. Plus, you need to maintain them.

Power is a big one. Mostly I hear people talk about generators. Well, good. Where's your exhaust go? Where's your intake? What's your fuel consumption? Windmills, solar power, any surface power generation is risky at best.

Heat and Cooling. Funny thing about computers. Places like Site-R and NORAD had HUGE heat issues. Smaller sites had problems with the heat leeching into the surrounding rock until the insulation was improved. How will you cool server rooms if you have them? How much is computer controlled. How good is the air-flow and air exchangers to maintain a decent uniform temperature throughout your facility.

And that's WITHOUT getting into base structure. Are you carving and then laying concrete floors? Well, that will be a problem in a few years, providing the A-pack-o-lips doesn't have siesmic events.

CoG and Army Missile Command figured on egg-style main control rooms, corridors with huge steel springs supporting the framework for the floor, cement with variable gapping, rounded ceilings, all that good stuff.

Lastly: Your exit. Do you have only one? Well, that's not good. If they can't get in, you can't get out, according to Colonel Murphy. Is your exit rated against major seismic events and the aftershocks? If your door jams in place, do you have explosive bolts to blow it free? Do you have auxilary entrances? Can you get it open if it's already taken a nearby 5.5 shock? Does it require power? Were you dumb enough to hook into the power grid?

Yeah, I can't see most rich people even understanding why their shelter failed.
 
Lots of people don't figure on weight either. If you can't ruck your pack for 5 miles without blisters and rubbed raw armpits, then it might as well not be packed. I've got extra air filters in my truck (volcanic ash does a number on air filters from my hazy recollections), but I know that one simple $10 part can mean I have to leave the truck behind and everything's on foot. If your go-bag weighs 65 lbs in a bag with a strap on it, it's worthless. Yeah, it looks all "har-har-har redneck" that our go-bags are old extra-large infantry rucks with the frames, but those things have been designed to go far and take abuse.

I've done the "rub sticks to get fire" before, and holy shit, you end up spending like half an hour just in prep, forty-five minutes if you use the bow method. Since ash-fall, smoke, and air quality is an issue, I can't even bet on magnifying glasses working, so it's waterproof matches with flint and steel for long term.

Another thing I've noticed about all these "survival types" who seem to think a few games of This War of Mine and Minecraft and The Last of Us taught them how to find food. Christ, during survival training I ate fucking bugs I found under a rock, earthworms, whatever had protien that came my way. Bitch, I'm a survivor, queasiness is for the weak. Butchering a rabbit or wood-rat or, if you REALLY score, a deer, is a skill that it takes time to learn. Hell, most people don't even know that one of the best things for tanning leather is human urine, another is brains.

Shit, I gotta be careful or I'll start sperging bad.

One thing is, I imagine the bunkers of the Rich & Powerful Lord & Masters would end up something like Vault Zero in Fallout: Tactics.

Vital parts of the facility removed to make room for petting zoos, golf courses, swimming pools, and lounges.

The CoG Program found out that one of the biggest and easiest mistakes to make is have the VIP apartments be far and above that of security, maintenance, and craft workers. I could see some rich douchebag building 32 man bays for his security and workers, while him and his friends have luxurious 5-star accomidations. CoG figured that maybe 3 months would pass before the VIP's ended up dead or evicted from the site.

The facility would need to have repair stocks, from floor panels, suspended ceiling panels, lights, wiring, fuses, invironmental filters, the whole nine yards. Now, good planning would have it where the supplies were cleared out to make room for birthrate expansion, additional hydroponics, other systems.

Vehicles would have to be kept inside. Luxury vehicles would be a no-go. All vehicles would have to have the fluids drained, correct fasteners loosened, lifted up on cables with the tires removed. Then, you'd have to go through about a 4 day process to bring the vehicle back up to optimum working condition once you wanted to use it.

Fuel would be a major thing. Gasoline (Unleaded) goes bad after a period of time. Deisel is better, as is military mo-gas (unleaded), with a longer shelf-life. But you'd have to make sure it didn't contiminate your artesian system (if you're tapped into the aquifier for drinking water) or otherwise leak back into the soil.

Water is a HUGE one. Not only where are you going to get it, but how much you have in tanks, and how it is disposed of. A drilled well could be rendered useless by earth-shift if a near-hit in the upper kiloton or (god forbid) a megaton range goes airburst. Artesian can be contaminated by up-water-table industrial spills. Water is one of the primary worries.

(Exit, Air, Water, Food, Supplies, Power, Comfort, according to CoG)

I've seen a few bunkers (Ah, Pacific Northwest, never stop being amusing as you were during Y2K) and it startled me how many of the places only had a single air intake point. Not smart. Multiple, even if you have them filled with insulation until needed. Plus, you need to maintain them.

Power is a big one. Mostly I hear people talk about generators. Well, good. Where's your exhaust go? Where's your intake? What's your fuel consumption? Windmills, solar power, any surface power generation is risky at best.

Heat and Cooling. Funny thing about computers. Places like Site-R and NORAD had HUGE heat issues. Smaller sites had problems with the heat leeching into the surrounding rock until the insulation was improved. How will you cool server rooms if you have them? How much is computer controlled. How good is the air-flow and air exchangers to maintain a decent uniform temperature throughout your facility.

And that's WITHOUT getting into base structure. Are you carving and then laying concrete floors? Well, that will be a problem in a few years, providing the A-pack-o-lips doesn't have siesmic events.

CoG and Army Missile Command figured on egg-style main control rooms, corridors with huge steel springs supporting the framework for the floor, cement with variable gapping, rounded ceilings, all that good stuff.

Lastly: Your exit. Do you have only one? Well, that's not good. If they can't get in, you can't get out, according to Colonel Murphy. Is your exit rated against major seismic events and the aftershocks? If your door jams in place, do you have explosive bolts to blow it free? Do you have auxilary entrances? Can you get it open if it's already taken a nearby 5.5 shock? Does it require power? Were you dumb enough to hook into the power grid?

Yeah, I can't see most rich people even understanding why their shelter failed.
Oh indeed, my friend, oh indeed. Hell I helped my buddy with a moped job for this google executive here in Austin. I worked at the high rise he lived at. What was wrong with his little moped? He let it sit for months and the gas had varnished. My buddy drained it and refilled it and said even then there were sure to be other problems for something sitting so long. Motor vehicles aren't meant to just sit there, they need to run to get the fluids moving and also require maintenance even with that. Just explaining that gas stabilizers are cheap at Auto Zone met with "Can you just sell me them?" I told him to charge him out the ass as a convenience fee. All the guy wanted was to toss money at a problem instead of listening to a five minute lecture on how to fix his problem himself. Literally just buying a cheap bottle of gas stabilizer and reading the label was too much trouble when he had to help be a programming "genius" for Google.

This guy may have been a programming genius but if the "Event" ever happens like these idiots in the article are planning, you can't toss money at hungry armed masses who will kill and rape you (in that order if you're lucky), and your women being sex slaves for some heavily armed warlord and then eat you to fill an empty stomach. Someone can be smart and highly educated in one field and be so utterly devoid of basic concepts it's scary.

Man's biggest folly is his hubris. There's a reason other animals will sit there and evaluate a situation with prey and if it seems more trouble than it's worth, will leave.
 
A lot of this talk of survival makes it very obvious why the zombie apocalypse is a genre so many people love to jerk to. They all have this ego-trip fantasy of 99% of the world going dead but I'm smart and crafty enough to survive! Fuck, just spending ten minutes reading some sperging from those of you who have survival training experience would probably teach these people more than they've learned in the rest of their lives combined.
 
It's why Hobbe's leviathan still holds up. Life like that would be short, brutish, and miserable. As libertarian as I am, I'm not an anarchist who wants to just be whoever has the most guns wins. We need to have a fair and just society with a power that can stop people from destroying all of us.

The idea of foraging for some food to help alleviate a growling stomach and bloated belly would be horrible. Being a walking skeleton with a short and miserable life would just be one of the largest hells on earth. People don't understand that fictional portrayals of the post-apocalyptic world either don't get how shitty it is or make it seem like this grand adventure.

Exactly. I am not going to want to live in that world, no matter how much it frees me from conventional morality.

A lot of this talk of survival makes it very obvious why the zombie apocalypse is a genre so many people love to jerk to. They all have this ego-trip fantasy of 99% of the world going dead but I'm smart and crafty enough to survive! Fuck, just spending ten minutes reading some sperging from those of you who have survival training experience would probably teach these people more than they've learned in the rest of their lives combined.

The whole zombie apocalypse thing, psychologically, is a guilt free way of killing people. In any society, killing someone is the ultimate sin. But if they are mindless zombies, its completely ok. It's all about the desire to be free from normal morality and just murder indiscriminately.

My whole idea for a zombie apocalypse novel was that the virus could be cured and they were still people, but the majority of humanity didn't care and enjoyed their free reign of murder too much to solve the problem.
 
Realistically, in an apocalypse scenario, the one who winds up in charge will be the one who rounds up these rich douches and lets the other enraged survivors hate-fuck them to death.
 
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