🐱 ‘Unmasking Antifa Act' includes 15-year prison term proposal

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http://thehill.com/homenews/house/396404-unmasking-antifa-act-includes-15-year-prison-term-proposal


The “Unmasking Antifa Act of 2018,” legislation introduced in the House, carries a potential 15-year prison sentence for those caught engaging in behaviors typically associated with the “antifa” movement of anti-fascist activists.

Under the act, anyone “wearing a mask” or in disguise who “injures, oppresses, threatens, or intimidates any person … in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege” would be subject to a fine or up to 15 years in prison.




The bill was introduced in the House last month but received renewed attention on Tuesday after alt-right personality Mike Cernovich encouraged his followers to call their representatives and "let them know what you think" about the legislation.

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Antifa activists, who often wear masks, have gained nationwide attention for engaging in violent clashes. Many activists in the movement have also disrupted actions planned by white supremacist groups.

The bill was introduced by Republican Rep. Dan Donovan (N.Y.) and is co-sponsored by GOP Reps. Pete King (N.Y.), Paul Gosar (Ariz.) and Ted Budd(N.C.).

The bill is currently in the House Judiciary Committee.
 
I know it's authenticity is suspect, but, I still chuckle about that twitter recap of the latest beat-down in Portland where an old-school commie allegedly said "Where are all the REAL revolutionaries? All I got over here are scared kids who can't throw a punch! How did the Nazis get all the blue-collar muscle on their side?!"

Because honest hard-working people do NOT side with anarchists or communists, 120 years trying and your'e still not learning this? I give up.
 
Can't say I'm a fan. Wearing a mask and violently assaulting people is already illegal. Having bills to target organizations/people rather than just behaviors is a dangerous.




The entire tragedy of the modern left is that they've been subverted by trendy upper middle class people through their union's bureaucracy and forced into silence by the crazy of the campuses. They don't want to change anything, they're just juvenile/creepily-old delinquents.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BIdLaIu0yK8
Hardly a working mans riot.

Here's the thing. Revolutionary speech was co-opted by the universities into post-modernist viewpoints in order to twist the status quo into anything and using it as a weapon of change. The problem is that it continued to expand beyond revolutionary speech and creep into behavior. To understand ANTIFA, you need to understand the academic system.

Their 'revolutionary ideas' are over 60 years old. The problem is you could make generalized statements of humanity back in the 1950s and 1960s, since science wasn't all that codified. 'Everything is racist, sexist and homophobic and you must point it all out' is an idea stemming from that time period. None of these are modern ideas and existed before we had rigid understandings of the mind, behavior, physiology. These ideas come before the time of DNA. They come before evolutionary and modern psychiatry. Philosophy and just basic observation was used to ascribe behavior.

This has radically changed, as we no longer view society as solely responsible for behavior, as our genes play an insanely important role in building our behaviors. Admitting this would cause large amounts of their enlargements to fall apart, as in, you can't really tell what is racist and what is a genetic component. Xenophobia is built into humanity because we used to live in small communities and outsiders were dangerous. Everyone has it to an extent. The problem is eliminating racism will not eliminate that.

The University system in the social sciences is built on 50 year old scholarship that has never updated or changed. Whenever you hear social criticism of something, you have to think what lens is it being viewed from. Is it viewed from the modern perspective of human behavior, scientific inquiry or is it from a philosophical, pre-DNA, pre-cognitive approach? Most of the time, unsurprisingly, its the latter. Because you have scholars and academics who have built careers on this bullshit. There are whole departments, journals, books, degrees dedicated to subjects whose relevance has largely been eliminated by scientific inquiry. The problem is that these degrees aren't pushed into philosophy, they're pushed as truth and they need to be maintain their relevance and profitability.

The academic treadmill relies on the humanities to supplement itself. You get a social science degree, can't pay for anything, go back for a masters. You don't get paid for a masters, so you pay more into the system. A masters makes it even harder, so you have to go back for a PhD. PhDs in the humanites are very very very very rarely funded. And a humanities PhD takes 10+ years. So you've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars, invested countless time and effort. Of course you're going to spew the same shit professors 50 years ago spewed. You're going to invent this gibberish, pseudo-intellectual jargon that is functionally meaningless.

But where does ANTIFA come in? Most of the concepts that are preached by the Cultural Studies in academia are unobservable. For example, you cannot observe white privilege, because people can't see it (but you can!). You can't see microagressions because they're unconcious, but you can! They invent this unobservable, unprovable phenomenon that only they can see and understand and then expand it outward a thousand times to make these un-observable, unprovable things oppress minorities. You can't prove a feeling, which is what a microagression is. Its invisible, but someone feels it. White privleage, invisible but its affecting someone. So you get these ignorant white children who believe everyone is asleep and a secret Nazi and waking them up is pointless, so you have to have violent revolution.

Social Justice is more of a cult religion than anything academic or scientific. Its designed to indoctrinate through desperation, because it is simply not profitable to anyone but universities who constantly churn out white, unemployable graduates who chose an easy major, or wanted to change the world, and found out the lie that there was nothing that they could change. So they invent it. All their enemies are imaginary, invented in their minds. And this is what truly makes them dangerous. They've abandoned reason, inquiry and critical thought for their feelings. Because once you look at 'critical theory' with critical thinking, the whole enterprise crumbles as you realize there isn't any proof for any of it. Its just somebodies' opinion they're presenting as absolute truth.

Its a threat to creative freedom, academic freedom, and freedom in general. And the Democratic party has seen this and is only happy to make up enemies for them to get votes.
 
Xenophobia is built into humanity because we used to live in small communities and outsiders were dangerous. Everyone has it to an extent.

And these idiots display xenophobia to an extent that would make a white supremacist envious. The slightest deviation from their own fascist ideology causes them to descend to the level of howler monkeys and begin flinging their feces at the malefactor.
 
And these idiots display xenophobia to an extent that would make a white supremacist envious. The slightest deviation from their own fascist ideology causes them to descend to the level of howler monkeys and begin flinging their feces at the malefactor.
Antifa accidentally stumbled onto an outgroup that isn't rigid enough to require societal protection. Only soyboys and dangerhairs of the highest quality can fuck up a free pass to brawl this badly.
 
I was literally just wondering yesterday how the fuck this country is letting these domestic terrorists bask in the comfort of unbridled first-class citizenship. Even if this doesn't make any traction, at least it's a sign of the times for the better. The government's job is to protect it's citizens, that includes from domestic terrorism. No matter what happens, this is only going to push the divide between these fucking nutjobs and the rest of society, until they're seen as worse than communists, and by that point it won't matter how many checkmarks screech about their support.

I'm so glad Trump won the election. It weeded out all these psychopaths from under the dark rocks they've been hiding under and now everyone sees how ugly the left really is.
 
Apologies if already stated.

Also, there’s a slippery slope here. This could be construed as online masks (VPNs, et al).

This. A potential loss of anonymity (particularly online) is a terrible thing.

What could you be protesting where wearing a mask as you destroy shit wouldn’t make you the bad person in the eyes of many? For fucks sake, if you feel things have gotten to that point just declare Civil war already, quit pussyfooting around.

Crazed paranoid aside, I view it less like "what's wrong now?" and more of "where could we end up at some point down the line?".





But, I'm just a paranoid alcoholic...
 

Pretty much this. All that legislation like this is going to do is make them feel legitimized in trying to "fight against tyranny" and create an even bigger problem. They need to be disengaged at a widespread, community level. It needs to become a widespread sentiment that violence and vandalism is not an OK way to deal with politics you disagree with. Which, up until fairly recently it was. The problem with the advent of the internet and social media is that impressionable teenagers could now be exposed to the crazies on both sides and end up adopting extremist views from echo chambers like /pol/ and dumblr. Back in the 80's through the mid-2000's you were a fucking dumbass if you joined up with radical wingnutters. And you still are. The difference is that now it's way easier to find psychotic motherfuckers who actually agree with you.
 
Pretty much this. All that legislation like this is going to do is make them feel legitimized in trying to "fight against tyranny" and create an even bigger problem.

Are you seriously saying they should just be allowed to riot because they might feel justified in rioting if we hurt their feelings by telling them they're not allowed to riot and throwing them in prison when they do?

If they're in prison they won't be fighting tyranny. They'll be fighting Tyrone for their anal virginity.
 
If it means less annoying dipshits roaming around I'm ok with this.

It probably won't be passed. The sponsor probably would have named it something less inflammatory if he was really serious. Even if it were passed, it would be only likely to be used about as often as its counterpart that's existed since the Civil War. So you might see someone like Eric Clanton or his associates prosecuted for trying to murder someone with a bike lock.
 
The law is dumb, but you can only blame wimpy leftist cowards for it. If they had the basic decency to put their own face on their own convictions, then maybe they would think twice before assaulting people with bike locks and make their entire movement look like asshats. And then this law wouldn't be necessary.

Besides, I didn't see them protest when anti-mask laws were used to target KKK.
 
Like I said, this bill itself is probably nothing of note and probably won't pass. But it is a statement. It's revealing that absolutely everyone, even the ancient rotting old men on life support up in the government, are getting pissed off at these idiot children who get told to go riot on the streets because a checkmark told them to. This is one step closer to getting this idiotic extremism infesting our culture shut down for good. Little by little, step by step, this shit isn't going to survive for much longer.
 
What if, instead of outlawing these vigilantes, we simply regulated them? That way they could still be called upon when needed, but also be bound by rules to ensure they aren’t corrupted by their incredible gifts.

Aside from being requisitioned as kinetic rounds for helicopters I don't see a point in keeping them around.
 
What could be a much better alternative is get rid of this Duty to Retreat shit and instead just encourage Castle Doctrine across the whole country.
all US states and nearly all US territories have Castle Doctrine of some kind - the specifics do vary from state to state however. it's recognized as a legal defense of the home and self in virtually all jurisdictions in the US in general although the specific requirements may vary (such as what counts as your "Castle"). the defense itself may or may not be an affirmative legal defense (barring evidence counter to the claim, justified homicide is assumed).

in the US, the two most common variances are whether a Duty to Retreat exists (17 have it in some form or another) and whether the defender has liability under civil law. another variation you see a lot is if you can defend someone else, and if so, the circumstances thereof.

someone who gives someone else a reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death in the US is pretty much gambling that their victim isn't going to kill them and walk off with a handshake. most states have some form of concealed carry (and many states require some form of training certification for approval) and there are enough firearms to arm every man woman and child in the country with enough left over to arm their pets too.

ANTIFA has been treading the line and getting lucky. if they keep pushing, or if some of these "armed liberal gun clubs" like the john brown gun club of AZ, or that redneck rampage organization (of which the JBGC is a member of) does something dumb, you're going to see bodies. possibly several bodies.
 
I've referenced the book 'Days of Rage' before, talking about the current crop of idiots versus the 60's-70's counterparts, and some things actually don't change.
Keep doing so, I considered it a public service that you introduced me to it, and I've passed it forward to others who have expressed similar sentiments.
 
Are you seriously saying they should just be allowed to riot because they might feel justified in rioting if we hurt their feelings by telling them they're not allowed to riot and throwing them in prison when they do?

If they're in prison they won't be fighting tyranny. They'll be fighting Tyrone for their anal virginity.

Well it turns out that violently rioting and committing acts of vandalism is already against the law. They don't care because they've convinced themselves that their supposed moral superiority excuses their actions. From their mindset, they will see this as the Drumpf administration becoming actually fascist and anyone thrown in prison will then become a martyr. Not only that, but it's more than likely that they'll start forming prison gangs if we start locking them up en masse.

The fact that antifa can't be addressed using the existing laws highlights a massive failure on the part of the state and municipal police forces that seem to be too preoccupied with unarmed shooting scandals to properly deal with a widespread gang of thugs whose only aim is disrupt the peace and cause upheaval without any sort of just cause. While it is fully constitutional to introduce legislation to deal with these clowns, they've swallowed an ideology pill that allows them to write off whatever trouble they cause as fighting for freedom. They've forced out any non-violent supporters by this point yet still somehow are not getting criticism from the moderate left. In fact, it is equally unhelpful that the left is straight up abandoning its own values for the sake of "opposing tyranny" and no longer giving a shit about helping the less fortunate in society, only upholding the image that they still care.

As per my previous post, the problem therein lies from the fact that Americans have gotten too stupid to question their own political beliefs on either side, and would rather opt for the package deal when it comes to forming opinions. Why read books from educated people across the spectrum when you can become woke from mindless youtube videos and huffington post articles filled with more gifs than words? Why actually try to fight corruption by the book when you can become a screeching retard who parrots arguments made by manipulative people much smarter than you are without bothering to question their logic or agendas?
 
Well it turns out that violently rioting and committing acts of vandalism is already against the law. They don't care because they've convinced themselves that their supposed moral superiority excuses their actions. From their mindset, they will see this as the Drumpf administration becoming actually fascist and anyone thrown in prison will then become a martyr. Not only that, but it's more than likely that they'll start forming prison gangs if we start locking them up en masse.
They're already in gangs, though.

Here's something else these morons keep missing: how to civil disobedience correctly. The whole point of civil disobedience is to force the state to use its power to defend a law that may or may not be morally unjust (just because something is legal doesn't always mean it's right). But to play that card correctly, you cannot bring force to bear, and you must be willing to accept the short-term consequences (incarceration). And by doing so, demonstrate that while a law may be legal, it is not moral, and sway public opinion to your side.

(Note that this typically only works in Western societies that value free thought. If India had been occupied by Imperial Japan, Gandhi would've been bayoneted and beheaded the first time he got too uppity.)

But if you cede the moral high ground by randomly attacking people, you have no way to make your case. You can be neatly filed under 'terrorist asshole',
 
History clearly shows for every martyr in a western political movement there are vast swaths of thousands of hangers on who will bail when the prospect of long term incarceration let alone dearh becomes likely, just as sure as the martyr steps up to recieve it.

If Berkley cops had been allowed to use just a litte pepper spray, we wouldn't be here, its not the law causung this, its emboldened morons who think the cops weak, not just artificially held back by spineless old lefties who think the likes of ANTIFA are either just or necessary.
 
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