Money Update 9/23/2014 - Chris Makes a Kickstarter

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Someone donated 600 dollars. I do believe there is a system in place that prevents donations from getting withdrawn at a certain point. Some poor troll might have to actually give chrischan 600 dollars due to his ignorance.

This has been discussed. You have up to the last 24 hours if taking the money out is not going to make the total go below the goal.
 
Someone donated 600 dollars. I do believe there is a system in place that prevents donations from getting withdrawn at a certain point. Some poor troll might have to actually give chrischan 600 dollars due to his ignorance.

We need a red flag on every post to stop this speculation. You can get your money out any time before the kickstarter ends. The last 24 hours requires contacting their customer support if the pledge in question will make or break funding but they will still cancel a valid pledge.
 
How selfish he is. He has never backed any other kickstarter yet created his own. But how could anyone expect even that from him when he only wants money for legos? The saddest thing about the kickstarter is that it might actually succeed.
 
If I recall correctly, doesn't one need a job before they can report their income to SSA? Because if that's the case, then that's just going to complicate what is considered earnings. Either way, I'm with you that Chris should be reported but his case is rather complicated; just like his reasoning in things.

Nope. If Chris ever won $100,000 on a Powerball ticket, he'd either have his tugboat reduced $1 for every $2 of the amount if not kicked off the ship entirely. There was a huge crapstorm last year about some woman who won a million dollars yet still continued to collect food stamps. Granted, a million bucks doesn't buy what it used to these days, but it should have at least put her own assistance on freeze-frame till she ended up with less than $2K again.

But it does seem that Chris has gotten so greedy that he forgot about certain meddlesome annoyances like THE LAW. The Social Security Administration really really frowns on stuff like what Chris is doing.
 
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Maybe somewhat off topic but I just noticed something odd about his project.

On a whim I searched for other projects involving LEGOs on Kickstarter. And when I did I noticed his was no where to be seen. Then I checked the sculpture tag, and again no project.

Anyone know why his project is not showing up on the site?
 
If I recall correctly, doesn't one need a job before they can report their income to SSA? Because if that's the case, then that's just going to complicate what is considered earnings. Either way, I'm with you that Chris should be reported but his case is rather complicated; just like his reasoning in things.

He doesn't specifically need a job. He can only receive disability benefits if he's unable to engage in "substantial gainful activity".

A person who is earning more than a certain monthly amount (net of impairment-related work expenses) is ordinarily considered to be engaging in SGA. The amount of monthly earnings considered as SGA depends on the nature of a person's disability. The Social Security Act specifies a higher SGA amount for statutorily blind individuals; Federal regulations specify a lower SGA amount for non-blind individuals. Both SGA amounts generally change with changes in the national average wage index.

Amounts for 2014
The monthly SGA amount for statutorily blind individuals for 2014 is $1800. For non-blind individuals, the monthly SGA amount for 2014 is $1070.

The test is multi-faceted, but operating a "business" (including an online business) can be regarded as "substantial gainful activity". You can even use trying to set up your own business as a work trial (during which time your benefits will be unaffected). The more Chris promotes his wares and the more time he spends producing them, the greater the likelihood that his endeavours will be regarded as "business" activity and not just a hobby from which he occasionally makes pin money. The average number of hours per weeks spent on the activity also seems to be taken into account when determining whether it's substantial gainful activity (80 per month seems to pretty much guarantee it will be).

It's a common enough rort in other countries that some governments require e-bay and PayPal to report to the government all user accounts transacting more than a certain threshold annually (the threshold was $20,000 here in Australia in 2013).
 
Maybe somewhat off topic but I just noticed something odd about his project.

On a whim I searched for other projects involving LEGOs on Kickstarter. And when I did I noticed his was no where to be seen. Then I checked the sculpture tag, and again no project.

Anyone know why his project is not showing up on the site?

Did Kickstarter take their thumbs out of their arses?
 
On a whim I searched for other projects involving LEGOs on Kickstarter. And when I did I noticed his was no where to be seen. Then I checked the sculpture tag, and again no project.

Oddly enough, it doesn't even show up when you search for the word 'Cwcville' either, which should be specific enough to narrow it down. It still appears to be up though. I vaguely recall having difficulty searching for Kickstarter projects in the past. Now, I've never made a Kickstarter but I've back plenty of them before. Could it be that their software is biased so that it displays certain projects and hides others? I know there are tricks with search optimization but does anyone know if they would do something that shitty? Much as I may laugh at Chris, he has every right to put his inane ideas out there and get them funded if people are willingly giving him the money.
 
But it does seem that Chris has gotten so greedy that he forgot about certain meddlesome annoyances like THE LAW. The Social Security Administration really really frowns on stuff like what Chris is doing.

I don't think he's forgotten anything. Chris is either unaware (either by choice or he's genuinely ignorant) that he has to notify the SSA about his extra income he's making, or he genuinely doesn't care. If he's caught, he thinks that playing the autism card and hiding behind Barb's skirt will make the problem go away.
 
I don't think he's forgotten anything. Chris is either unaware (either by choice or he's genuinely ignorant) that he has to notify the SSA about his extra income he's making, or he genuinely doesn't care. If he's caught, he thinks that playing the autism card and hiding behind Barb's skirt will make the problem go away.

There's a chance that the SSA will let him off the hook as a first offense, but they will keep a lot closer eye on him and if Chris continues with these money-making shenanigans, they won't be so nice the next time.
 
Sheesh, I don't know what's worse: The fact that Chris started this ridiculous Kickstarter in the first place, the whole thing with him giving people Lego sets as rewards, or the fact that the darn thing has already reached over $1,400. Seriously, what numbskulls are donating to this thing? Man, this whole Lego fascination has gone from an obsession to a full-blown addiction. I think Chris might need some serious help with this. I'm pretty sure this Lego nonsense is going to obliterate what little financial stability he and Barb have.
 
I don't think he's forgotten anything. Chris is either unaware (either by choice or he's genuinely ignorant) that he has to notify the SSA about his extra income he's making, or he genuinely doesn't care. If he's caught, he thinks that playing the autism card and hiding behind Barb's skirt will make the problem go away.

He's likely unaware. It sounds like Bob handled most of the business stuff while he was alive. Chris probably understands that if he gets a proper job it could affect his benefits but knows nothing about work trials, mandatory reviews, triggered reviews, and all the rest of it. The world has changed since Chris was first granted benefits and no matter what is printed on whatever paperwork Chris periodically receives from SSA, I doubt that he understands much beyond as long as he hasn't got a job (as Chris understands a job to be) the payments will keep coming.
 
If this succeeds, and it's a big if, I can see Chris
Sheesh, I don't know what's worse: The fact that Chris started this ridiculous Kickstarter in the first place, the whole thing with him giving people Lego sets as rewards, or the fact that the darn thing has already reached over $1,400.
Oh, definitely the latter. On the scale of weird and stupid things Chris has done, this is relatively minor. By his standards, it's almost smart. We can't hold the weens pledging to the same standard, and this is why I for one am hoping that they lose their money. Yes, I know, Chris will just waste the money on stupid shit he doesn't need and then whine about how poor he AND HIS ELDERLY MOM GUILT TRIP GUILT TRIP are, but that's going to keep happening whatever. I just think the weens will get what they deserve if they wind up in debt because they thought it would be funny to make a pledge.

In fact, weens? If you do lose your money, I will personally pledge $10 if you make a video showing how upset you are. $10 between the lot of you, though, I'm not throwing a lot of money away.
 
I don't even care about weens learning their lesson at this point. I just don't want to see real money going to Chris for his fucking toys anymore. inb4 a-log
Look, I get it. I really do. I understand it's frustrating to see people have pledged money to Chris for toys. I understand that not everyone here is in a great financial place, and even without that consideration, people are indignant on the principle alone.

Everyone understands this. If Chris wasn't "Internet famous" for being a shit show, these graces would never have been bestowed upon him. To compound this fact, he also tends to insult the very people and communities that support him. I personally was insulted for not signing a check worth $500, funded by people from the forums and other charitable individuals, given to him after he had lost his house. I personally was called a "dodo brain" for not signing a check, in a comment that was later deleted, that could be cashed without a signature. I, probably more than anyone else, have reason to be ornery about Chris' arrogance and unreasonable expectations for money to be thrown at him. But I'm not. Because I understand what kind of person Chris is, and I understood that when I organized the event.

Comments like this don't drive the point home any further. It doesn't stop Chris from getting funds. It just makes you look bad. Who cares if people are wiling to give Chris their money? Who cares how Chris is going to spend it? I don't understand. Even without considering the fact that people definitely are going to withdraw their support before it ends (exactly like with the eBay shit that went up to $11,000), $5000 isn't going to solve Chris' problems. If anything, it'd raise his expectations for free shit and hurt him even further down the line.


That real money may create a clusterfuck for Chris. From what I see on the SSA website, he's supposed to report any income to SSA. If his kickstarter gets funded, then that combined with his e-bay sales will likely put him above the average monthly amount he's allowed to gross without affecting his benefits. Given that he's so public and does everything using his real name, I don't like the chances of weens not reporting him sooner or later.
"If you are younger than full retirement age during all of 2014, we must deduct $1 from your benefits for each $2 you earn above $15,480." Source

IMO anyone who would try to take away Chris' benefits is the scummiest fuck in the planet. The dude would literally die without that help.
 
^All of this, plus trying to directly interfere in CWC's affairs is futile. People white knight, it doesn't work. People try to get his house condemned, the county tells them to take a hike. Want to buy some Chris merchandise? No skin off my ass. It's your money. But unless you're hitting Paypal up for a refund since your stuff's past due it's like shouting "JULAY" in the wind.

If you want a refund on undelivered swag, go for it. It's not like you're in the wrong.
 
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