Law Jordan Peterson suing Canadian university - Using laws and policies the SJWs created

We are on levels of irony never before seen.


https://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jun/21/jordan-b-peterson-hits-wilfrid-laurier-university-/

Clinical psychologist and University of Toronto professor Jordan B. Peterson is using the legal system to send a “warning” to academics who liken him to “Adolf Hitler” and white supremacists.

Canada’s Wilfrid Laurier University was hit with a $1.5 million lawsuit by the bestselling author of “12 Rules for Life: An Antidote for Chaos,” due to the content of a viral video featuring its professors. Teaching assistant Lindsay Shepherd was disciplined for showing clips of the author’s debates on Canadian television.

“I think this is a warning, let’s say, to other careless administrators and professors who allow their ideological presuppositions to get the best of them to be a bit more careful with what they say and do,” Mr. Petersontold the Toronto Sun on Wednesday.

Mr. Peterson is represented by Howard Levitt, who also spearheads a $3.6 million lawsuit filed by Ms. Shepherd against the university.

“The politically correct on campus should not think that they can defame people, slander people and bully people implicitly and explicitly with impunity,” Mr. Levitt said. “This isn’t just some internet troll mouthing off in a way that no one pays attention to and doesn’t give any credence to. These are professors and head of gender equity studies making comments that are atrocious about Dr. Peterson who is one of if not Canada’s most prominent intellectual.”


 
I am by no means taking the side of the people who are attempting to slander him in this manner, but if you think that inflammatory accusations of Nazism coming from some gender studies crank at a university most people haven't heard of will damage his reputation in any way, then I have some magical crystals I want to sell you.

Most people know that these people are ridiculous, and any independent observer is going to see that the accusations are being made in bad faith.

As for the financial implications, Peterson's main income today arguably comes from his books and Patreon supporters (who were, before he made his Patreon income private, paying him to the tune of $80,000+ per month). Do you honestly think that the people who support him financially by buying his books and subscribing to his Patreon are going to be swayed by baseless accusations that he is a Nazi from the kind of people they actively dislike?

Ultimately, whether you think it will set a good precedent or not, this lawsuit is little more than grandstanding on Peterson's part. He wants to be seen as the fearless moral crusader who is willing to stand up to the politically correct jackboots in their ivory towers, and I have every right to point out how ludicrously contrived I think this is. If you want to buy into the image that Peterson wants to cultivate about himself, then all I have to say is that I hope you feel better for being a sap.
Do you actually know what this lawsuit is about? They made a girl cry for showing on of his videos in her class. She was reported but told she wasn't allowed to know her crime, hauled before a panel of her bosses and told that she was hurting people by showing a video of Peterson on the tv. You would be forgiven for thinking they were asked to reenact Kafka's The Trial without her knowledge, part of her crying seems to be in incredulity at the fucking ridiculousness of it.

And get fucked with that 'do you think his readers care if he's called a nazi?'shit. Who gives a fuck, he's not a God damned nazi, and if university staff are going to go out of their way to paint him as a nazi up and down the media, then they deserve what is coming to them. As the regressive left loves to tell us so much, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. I think you don't know what you're talking about and suffering tall poppy syndrome.
 
I am by no means taking the side of the people who are attempting to slander him in this manner, but if you think that inflammatory accusations of Nazism coming from some gender studies crank at a university most people haven't heard of will damage his reputation in any way, then I have some magical crystals I want to sell you.
I know, there's no antagonism in my posts, and I don't presume them in yours. But think about it for a minute:

Does said university have a history department? Then it's possible for them to frame him as some Neo-Nazi revivalist in their papers, articles, books..etc. Do they have Sociology, Anthropology departments..etc? Then they can use those as well to tarnish his legacy.

Universities have a lot of power in shaping discourse, as they should, and this power shouldn't be used to deplatform people or slander them.
Most people know that these people are ridiculous, and any independent observer is going to see that the accusations are being made in bad faith.
Sure, I do, and you do, but we're spergs on a forum dedicated to laughing at our kind. The normies reading The Guardian, Washington Post..etc. Don't know that.
As for the financial implications, Peterson's main income today arguably comes from his books and Patreon supporters (who were, before he made his Patreon income private, paying him to the tune of $80,000+ per month). Do you honestly think that the people who support him financially by buying his books and subscribing to his Patreon are going to be swayed by baseless accusations that he is a Nazi from the kind of people they actively dislike?
Nope, but by slandering him, they're limiting his ability to grow his business, they're tarnishing his personal brand. Not to mention the possibility of deplatforming him as well from all those plaforms.
Ultimately, whether you think it will set a good precedent or not, this lawsuit is little more than grandstanding on Peterson's part. He wants to be seen as the fearless moral crusader who is willing to stand up to the politically correct jackboots in their ivory towers, and I have every right to point out how ludicrously contrived I think this is. If you want to buy into the image that Peterson wants to cultivate about himself, then all I have to say is that I hope you feel better for being a sap.
Sure that's possible, like I said, he's got a brand to grow, but it's also possible that he feels personally threatened and affronted that the mere act of showing a video clip of his publically aired debate was enough for a lecturer to get the 3rd degree by committee. They're actively limiting the ability of his works to be discussed in academic institutions, and as an academic, I don't think he can afford to take the chance of not suing.
 
For anyone who's not already aware (and has 52 minutes to spare), this is a fairly good introduction to the Lindsay Shepherd insanity:

 
It's also not just flying off the handle and calling someone a Nazi. It's a coordinated campaign with the specific intent of destroying his career, based on deliberate, premeditated and malicious allegations the people uttering them know for a fact to be completely false.
“people uttering them know for a fact to be completely false.”

:optimistic:
 
I legitimately want to know if you think he shouldn't be suing them for this.

I don't really have an opinion on the matter of whether or not he should be suing them, but if he does sue, I hope he wins. The issue here is that I just don't buy the idea that this lawsuit is anything other than a grandstand that he hopes will promote his message and grow his audience. It's not the legitimacy of the lawsuit that I am calling into question, but the stated motivations behind it.

Perhaps I am overly cynical in regards to Peterson, but my perception of him is that of a charismatic intellectual who is willing to use his talents to cultivate a servile fan base, and I am not convinced (despite my best efforts to assume good faith) that his motivations for doing so are entirely genuine. You can dismiss these misgivings if you wish, but I maintain that people who work to attract sycophancy while claiming to just want to help others should be viewed with suspicion; be they a religious leader, a political figure, or (as in Peterson's case) a self-help guru.

Do you actually know what this lawsuit is about? They made a girl cry for showing on of his videos in her class. She was reported but told she wasn't allowed to know her crime, hauled before a panel of her bosses and told that she was hurting people by showing a video of Peterson on the tv. You would be forgiven for thinking they were asked to reenact Kafka's The Trial without her knowledge, part of her crying seems to be in incredulity at the fucking ridiculousness of it.

As I have stated, I don't care about the justifications behind this lawsuit, nor it's legal merit, and I really don't care about these pointless slap fights that take place between footling academia hugboxes either. Most of these people provide nothing of value, and their work is every bit as inconsequential as their accusations are.

People getting worked up over this lawsuit like it's some pivotal stand for academic truth are just getting worked up over nothing. The truth is, two years from now, almost no one will remember this case, no matter what the outcome happens to be. The whole ordeal is just a vainglorious display of self-promotion on both sides, and I think that everyone needs to rise above it and see it for the irrelevant farce that it actually is.

And get fucked with that 'do you think his readers care if he's called a nazi?'shit. Who gives a fuck, he's not a God damned nazi, and if university staff are going to go out of their way to paint him as a nazi up and down the media, then they deserve what is coming to them. As the regressive left loves to tell us so much, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences. I think you don't know what you're talking about and suffering tall poppy syndrome.

You need to calm down. I don't disagree with the principle that people who slander and libel others should face legal consequences for their misdeeds. I am simply questioning whether that is the main purpose here. There are lots of instances where people are deliberately litigious for the purpose of making a point or achieving a political goal, and in light of the fact that it is highly unlikely that Peterson will be harmed by witless accusations that he is a Nazi, why am I wrong in suspecting that this is one of those cases?

I have no grudge against Peterson, and I don't know where you get the idea that I must resent his success. Should I assume that you must hold the view that successful people are somehow above criticism?

Does said university have a history department? Then it's possible for them to frame him as some Neo-Nazi revivalist in their papers, articles, books..etc. Do they have Sociology, Anthropology departments..etc? Then they can use those as well to tarnish his legacy.

Universities have a lot of power in shaping discourse, as they should, and this power shouldn't be used to deplatform people or slander them.

I don't disagree with that, but I think you're overstating the power that universities and academics have over discourse, and the control they have over history is almost always fleeting. There have been lots of people throughout history who were lied about and misrepresented at the time of their working lives, only to be vindicated years after their deaths. If history is any guide, lies and misrepresentations tend to subside over time, and the reason for this is quite simple: context.

When someone wants to learn about a philosopher or historical figure, the first thing they do is pick up one of their books and read their actual writing. The context in which a piece of literature was produced is gradually forgotten over time, and eventually all that is left is the work itself, to stand or fall on it's own merits.

Nope, but by slandering him, they're limiting his ability to grow his business, they're tarnishing his personal brand. Not to mention the possibility of deplatforming him as well from all those plaforms.

I don't think they're limiting him at all. If recent history is anything to go by, their attempts to vilify him will only bolster his popularity and reputation.

Sure that's possible, like I said, he's got a brand to grow, but it's also possible that he feels personally threatened and affronted that the mere act of showing a video clip of his publically aired debate was enough for a lecturer to get the 3rd degree by committee. They're actively limiting the ability of his works to be discussed in academic institutions, and as an academic, I don't think he can afford to take the chance of not suing.

It's possible that he could be taking legal action for these reasons, and if so, I support him in doing so. I've just grown weary of these kinds of lawsuits, given the ways that they have been historically misused for political gain.
 
I like him for a lot of the reasons said previously in this thread, but the best one is probably the pants-shitting tard rage that he throws far-left folks into. Also, good on him for showing these idiots that if you put anti-speech laws into place they can be used against you.

He's not using any special SJW-passed laws that I know of, just plain old defamation law that's existed for hundreds of years.
 
Yeah, you're talking out of your ass. You think you are smart, and maybe you are, but you know nothing about this subject except that Jordan Peterson is considered a public intellectual and therefore he is beneath you. So you bustle in and declare this entire topic beneath you, hahaha, oh you poor saps need to calm down chortle chortle, this is just grandstanding, it's oh so wearying.

But what is really wearying is the fact that even after a bunch of people told you that you are wrong and there is more to it than simple grandstanding, you still refuse to learn any of the details. Which means nothing you say is of value, you just saw a thread about Peterson and had to sperg out about how not smart you think he is.
 
Yeah, you're talking out of your ass. You think you are smart, and maybe you are, but you know nothing about this subject except that Jordan Peterson is considered a public intellectual and therefore he is beneath you. So you bustle in and declare this entire topic beneath you, hahaha, oh you poor saps need to calm down chortle chortle, this is just grandstanding, it's oh so wearying.

But what is really wearying is the fact that even after a bunch of people told you that you are wrong and there is more to it than simple grandstanding, you still refuse to learn any of the details. Which means nothing you say is of value, you just saw a thread about Peterson and had to sperg out about how not smart you think he is.

I have never said that Peterson isn't smart. I have already acknowledged that he is an accomplished professor with a great deal of expertise in the field of psychology, and I have never attempted to denigrate that. What I most take issue with is his public persona, and the servility he seems to encourage in his fans.

As for the claim that I must think that Peterson is somehow "beneath" me, I have never claimed any such thing, and I wouldn't even take the time to discuss him if I thought that way. If we are going to broach the topic of certain people being "beneath" others though, then I would suggest that the people making baseless accusations about Peterson being a Nazi are largely beneath him, which really begs the question of why he is dignifying their transparently feeble accusations with a lawsuit.
 
I don't really have an opinion on the matter of whether or not he should be suing them, but if he does sue, I hope he wins. The issue here is that I just don't buy the idea that this lawsuit is anything other than a grandstand that he hopes will promote his message and grow his audience. It's not the legitimacy of the lawsuit that I am calling into question, but the stated motivations behind it.

Perhaps I am overly cynical in regards to Peterson, but my perception of him is that of a charismatic intellectual who is willing to use his talents to cultivate a servile fan base, and I am not convinced (despite my best efforts to assume good faith) that his motivations for doing so are entirely genuine. You can dismiss these misgivings if you wish, but I maintain that people who work to attract sycophancy while claiming to just want to help others should be viewed with suspicion; be they a religious leader, a political figure, or (as in Peterson's case) a self-help guru.

There will always be slathering idiots who have little to no personality of their own who will latch onto "prominent" people like Peterson, so I don't really see the problem. I get where you're coming from but I don't really get the vibe that he's attracting these people on purpose, he just got some publicity and they sort of just started following him around and hanging off of his every word.

I guess we'd just have to agree to disagree on whether or not the impetus behind the lawsuit matters, and whether or not he's some kind of snake oil salesman. On that note by the way, I don't know how to put into words how sad it is that telling people to fucking bathe is considered being a self-help guru nowadays, but whatever.

As for the claim that I must think that Peterson is somehow "beneath" me, I have never claimed any such thing, and I wouldn't even take the time to discuss him if I thought that way. If we are going to broach the topic of certain people being "beneath" others though, then I would suggest that the people making baseless accusations about Peterson being a Nazi are largely beneath him, which really begs the question of why he is dignifying their transparently feeble accusations with a lawsuit.

I mean being fair this:

As I have stated, I don't care about the justifications behind this lawsuit, nor it's legal merit, and I really don't care about these pointless slap fights that take place between footling academia hugboxes either. Most of these people provide nothing of value, and their work is every bit as inconsequential as their accusations are.

People getting worked up over this lawsuit like it's some pivotal stand for academic truth are just getting worked up over nothing. The truth is, two years from now, almost no one will remember this case, no matter what the outcome happens to be. The whole ordeal is just a vainglorious display of self-promotion on both sides, and I think that everyone ne
eds to rise above it and see it for the irrelevant farce that it actually is.

does come off as a bit fart-huffing and "above it all". Not to be a dick or anything.

He's not using any special SJW-passed laws that I know of, just plain old defamation law that's existed for hundreds of years.

Yeah I get that, but what I meant was that it's along the same vein of laws, and I know it's :optimistic::optimistic::optimistic: but I'd hope that the idiots who are getting slapped with this might stop and think something like "oh holy shit, being fucked over for words is actually super awful!".
 
I have never said that Peterson isn't smart. I have already acknowledged that he is an accomplished professor with a great deal of expertise in the field of psychology, and I have never attempted to denigrate that. What I most take issue with is his public persona, and the servility he seems to encourage in his fans.

As for the claim that I must think that Peterson is somehow "beneath" me, I have never claimed any such thing, and I wouldn't even take the time to discuss him if I thought that way. If we are going to broach the topic of certain people being "beneath" others though, then I would suggest that the people making baseless accusations about Peterson being a Nazi are largely beneath him, which really begs the question of why he is dignifying their transparently feeble accusations with a lawsuit.
'It begs the question...' no it doesn't, it just seems like it does to you because you refuse to give even a cursory glance at the facts, either because you consider Peterson beneath you, or you consider all of us beneath you. Either way your input adds nothing.
 
I may disagree with him, but I also disagree with this part.

Statements like this are what causes thought bubbles to happen.
Disagreeing with someone without being able to clearly articulate why, besides your own sense of superiority, and refusing to address any argument on it's merit is what causes thought bubbles to happen. Telling someone to make an actual cogent point doesn't.
 
I mean being fair this:

Perhaps I should have made it more clear, but when I was referring to those who "produce nothing of value", I wasn't referring to Peterson, I was referring to his detractors within academia who spread lies about him. I think that those people very much are beneath consideration, and I think that Peterson is influential and accomplished enough to be able to ignore them. The fact that he doesn't is what I am calling into question, because to me it makes him seem petty and litigious, as does his "This is a warning" statement to the academic community.

'It begs the question...' no it doesn't, it just seems like it does to you because you refuse to give even a cursory glance at the facts, either because you consider Peterson beneath you, or you consider all of us beneath you. Either way your input adds nothing.

What "facts" have I not considered? I understand the legal case that Peterson could make against the people he's challenging, I just think his motivations for taking it to the legal level are a bit suspect given his position in relation to theirs. It's like when Tom Cruise attempted to sue a small newspaper in Buffalo, New York because they called him some names and included him in a "50 most loathsome people" list. Whether he had a legal case or not is besides the point, it just looks petty given his position.

Disagreeing with someone without being able to clearly articulate why, besides your own sense of superiority, and refusing to address any argument on it's merit is what causes thought bubbles to happen. Telling someone to make an actual cogent point doesn't.

The point I have been making all along is that the people attempting to slander Peterson have just about no power over how his message is likely to be received by the public, which brings into question why he would decide to invite the controversy of a lawsuit other than to promote himself as a firebrand for academic freedom. I am simply pointing out how contrived I think this is, and I have seen very little argument that could show me to be wrong.
 
The point I have been making all along is that the people attempting to slander Peterson have just about no power over how his message is likely to be received by the public, which brings into question why he would decide to invite the controversy of a lawsuit other than to promote himself as a firebrand for academic freedom. I am simply pointing out how contrived I think this is, and I have seen very little argument that could show me to be wrong.
Well then I guess it's all of us that you consider beneath you, because there are four pages of arguments that you have simply ignored if you have seen very little argument that could show you to be wrong. Have you watched the video yet? Have you seen what it is that Peterson wants to never happen again in a university? How do you reconcile the fact that you have already said Peterson should take action against the people slandering him with the idea that he is just grandstanding? What should he do, just pretend to take action against them for calling him a Nazi but secretly not bother?
 
I get the feeling when people assume it's hypocritical to sue for slander when they normally prize free speech, but they aren't thinking about it and the two concepts aren't exactly the same. As @AnOminous said this isn't spergs lashing out impotently on twitter, this is a coordinated effort by a publicly funded university system to tarnish and poison a man for not bending the knee to their supremacy. Slander and libel laws exist precisely to combat that kind of chilling intimidation and as the left loves to say, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.
 
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I get the feeling when people assume it's hypocritical to sue for slander when they normally prize free speech, but they aren't thinking about it and the two concepts aren't exactly the same. Ass @AnOminous said this isn't spergs lashing out impotently on twitter, this is a coordinated effort by a publicly funded university system to tarnish and poison a man for not bending the knee to their supremacy. Slander and libel laws exist precisely to combat that kind of chilling intimidation and as the left loves to say, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.
A lot of left-wing articles on Peterson deliberately fail to make this distinction, framing it as if Peterson is taking an anti-free-speech stance by trying to sue people who say insulting things about him. To wit:
Mic dijo:
Free speech champion Jordan Peterson threatens to sue professor over Twitter name calling

Jordan Peterson, the controversial University of Toronto psychology professor, best-selling author and ardent First Amendment champion who once told his fellow Canadian academics that he’s a “true speech” advocate, has threatened to sue an American professor over a tweet he deems defamatory.

“I believe that people should say what they believe to be true,” Peterson said to attendees at the Canadian Society for Academic Freedom and Scholarship’s annual general body meeting in 2017. “A lot of what’s necessary with regard to thinking is the freedom to make mistakes.”

The 56-year-old star of the intellectual dark web — whose anti-feminist views on women’s unconscious desire to be dominated by men have been retweeted by alt-right figures like Richard Spencer — didn’t seem to feel the same way earlier this week, in regard to a tweet from Wendy Lynne Lee.

(https://mic.com/articles/189822/fre...ns-to-sue-professor-over-twitter-name-calling)

"Twitter name calling" doesn't convey the fact that this professor publicly called Peterson a "committed white nationalist." (As well as an "incel misogynist"; perhaps someone can explain to me how one can be an incel despite being married with kids.) I don't know if threatening to sue is a wise move – obviously, it gives ammo to moronic ideologues like the author of the above article – but I think it's understandable.
 
A lot of left-wing articles on Peterson deliberately fail to make this distinction, framing it as if Peterson is taking an anti-free-speech stance by trying to sue people who say insulting things about him. To wit:


"Twitter name calling" doesn't convey the fact that this professor publicly called Peterson a "committed white nationalist." (As well as an "incel misogynist"; perhaps someone can explain to me how one can be an incel despite being married with kids.) I don't know if threatening to sue is a wise move – obviously, it gives ammo to moronic ideologues like the author of the above article – but I think it's understandable.

If the author of said article wasn't attacking Peterson for suing people for slandering him and Peterson wasn't defending himself against libellous tweets and the like, the author would merely be repeating those slanderous statements. There's a certain group of people, on both extremes of the political divide, who will say and do anything to ruin those who disagree with them, including characterising these suits as somehow being 'anti free speech.'

There are no shortage of clips of Peterson answering questions in public forums and having to correct peoples assertions that he's a white nationalist or misogynist or whatever other nasty labels people have tried pinning on him. At this point a lawsuit would seem to be the only valid way of managing this situation, and while they may scream about it soon enough they'll have to either stop engaging with Peterson entirely or they'll have to start doing it far more honestly.
 
I have never said that Peterson isn't smart. I have already acknowledged that he is an accomplished professor with a great deal of expertise in the field of psychology, and I have never attempted to denigrate that. What I most take issue with is his public persona, and the servility he seems to encourage in his fans.

As for the claim that I must think that Peterson is somehow "beneath" me, I have never claimed any such thing, and I wouldn't even take the time to discuss him if I thought that way. If we are going to broach the topic of certain people being "beneath" others though, then I would suggest that the people making baseless accusations about Peterson being a Nazi are largely beneath him, which really begs the question of why he is dignifying their transparently feeble accusations with a lawsuit.

I say this not out of malice.

But you seriously need to realize that "turning the other cheek" and taking the high road are not absolutes to live by.

There is a time and place for retaliation. Even for the violent kind.

The kind of personality disordered nimrods that have infected all levels of society love to push this line of thinking on others in order to paralyze people with the ultimate goal of creating human punching bags that have no boundaries.

These kind of people love to engineer situations in which they can leverage the aggrieved party's sense of fair play, and justice against them. Then they recruit a cavalcade of enablers to shame the put upon into complying. Eventually, when the victim lashes out they end up doing so in a way, and time and place that makes them appear unhinged to outsiders and people looking in.

I mean, c'mon, you don't want to be just like those people trying to deprive you of your life and livelihood do you?
Do you? So just shut your mouth, bend over and take it. Because that's what "good" people do. They don't retaliate, they're soft spoken, non confrontational and they're certainly above the people cutting them down from below.


Peterson is not only hurting them where it hurts, money, but also demonstrating to them and others how to beat them using their own techniques.
Maybe then these legislators won't be so quick to pass stupid laws. Unfortunately, their inherent narcissism means that unless you hurt them in kind they will be blind, deaf and dumb to the suffering of others.


In closing:

Your calls for civility in a situation for which it is inappropriate are NOT helping.
There is a person here who is having his boundaries being impinged upon. Who is having his honor and reputation tarnished unjustly and you are suggesting that these things are not worth fighting people for.

I sincerely hope that if you know anyone in real life being character assassinated by a pack of Narcs that this is not the advice you give them.
 
I say this not out of malice.

But you seriously need to realize that "turning the other cheek" and taking the high road are not absolutes to live by.

There is a time and place for retaliation. Even for the violent kind.

The kind of personality disordered nimrods that have infected all levels of society love to push this line of thinking on others in order to paralyze people with the ultimate goal of creating human punching bags that have no boundaries.

These kind of people love to engineer situations in which they can leverage the aggrieved party's sense of fair play, and justice against them. Then they recruit a cavalcade of enablers to shame the put upon into complying. Eventually, when the victim lashes out they end up doing so in a way, and time and place that makes them appear unhinged to outsiders and people looking in.

I mean, c'mon, you don't want to be just like those people trying to deprive you of your life and livelihood do you?
Do you? So just shut your mouth, bend over and take it. Because that's what "good" people do. They don't retaliate, they're soft spoken, non confrontational and they're certainly above the people cutting them down from below.


Peterson is not only hurting them where it hurts, money, but also demonstrating to them and others how to beat them using their own techniques.
Maybe then these legislators won't be so quick to pass stupid laws. Unfortunately, their inherent narcissism means that unless you hurt them in kind they will be blind, deaf and dumb to the suffering of others.


In closing:

Your calls for civility in a situation for which it is inappropriate are NOT helping.
There is a person here who is having his boundaries being impinged upon. Who is having his honor and reputation tarnished unjustly and you are suggesting that these things are not worth fighting people for.

I sincerely hope that if you know anyone in real life being character assassinated by a pack of Narcs that this is not the advice you give them.

I could not agree more. These jackals have created means by which to silence and demean others and attempt to be shielded for it, but at the same time have hewn the same sword to slay themselves in the process, and using their own means against them legally not only strikes me as poetic justice, it would level the playing field.

Once their own techniques of libel backfire on them to the point mere suggestion of their use becomes too deadly to contemplate, only then will their ardor to silence and intimidate ideological foes with baseless lies be cooled.
 
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