💤 Inactive Andrew Dobson / Tom Preston / CattyN - STOP DOING SEXIST CRAP

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Are there any schools actually teaching that people chose to be slaves? I know Kanye West said something ridiculous along those lines, but he's not involved with education, so.
 
Ruin dijo:
He also doesn't understand that the audience for his social justice strawman comics are mostly college students and full time "activists." Know what all these people have in common? They don't have any money and especially any money for stupid shit like webcomics. Hell half of them are overt communists anyway.
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It's also clear that Dobson either doesn't understand what a "strawman" is (or he kinda does BUT he thinks it's a legitimate form of argument or that it's sufficient to get his "point" across), or he believes the Evil Genocidal Other Side actually believes those things. One of his comics had a "bingo card" where the "haters" mention something and one of them was "strawman".

Irony: Dobson is against Genocide
Dobson believes we should try to befriend a genocidal nation (North Korea for example).
 
lol that debate one. In a debate if your foil has a fallacious or false premise to their argument, it should be very easy to dismantle and counter the their argument by appealing to either logic or to morality, within reason, without resorting to hyperbole or hysterics. Genocide vs civil rights is hyperbolic; However, strict border control vs open borders is a reasonable debate to be having between rational adults.

Also debates are partly about finding common ground by accepting the rational points of the counterargument while not undermining your own position. It's not about compromising right in the middle. That's a straw man, Dobson.
 
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lol that debate one. In a debate if your foil has a fallacious or false premise to their argument, it should be very easy to dismantle and counter the their argument by appealing to either logic or to morality, within reason, without resorting to hyperbole or hysterics. Genocide vs civil rights is hyperbolic; However, strict border control vs open borders is a reasonable debate to be having between rational adults.

Also debates are partly about finding common ground by accepting the rational points of the counterargument while not undermining your own position. It's not about compromising right in the middle. That's a straw man, Dobson.
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He probably thinks that ONLY white people can be Nazis/genocidal. But then again, he's following his IngSocJus senpais, parroting the garbage they spew, which includes this sort of reasoning as he put in those comics. It's the sort of radical reasoning (found both on the far left and far right) that you can't negotiate with a certain viewpoint, so you're left with fighting them, quite literally (or putting them in concentration camps or whatever). Dobson's trying to make the point that you can't compromise with Genocide, which is actually true if the people holding the genocidal viewpoint hold it as an unwavering absolute (sorta like Hamas - which is why there will never be peace in the Middle East - and Dobson seems to have no problem with Hamas, ironically). The reason you can't compromise with genocide is the other side isn't willing to budge at all. That's why his comic of genocide and civil rights meeting in the middle makes NO sense Genocide IS murder, and murder is NOT the midpoint/compromise between civil rights and genocide: no civil rights but also no genocide would be the "true" compromise. (Some :epik: wanna point that out, hint hint?) Now, IF the group holding the genocidal viewpoint is willing to compromise into not-genocide, then some progress can hopefully be made? Unfortunately, Dobson does not understand these issues at all, so his point is rather wasted, as it's misdirected towards a strawman dressed up as "Republicans".

His comic also presupposes that you can't argue with people with genocidal viewpoints into oh I don't know, changing their minds. Well, obviously it can be done, otherwise, how would Social Justice ever have gained converts? :P The "equal footing" argument is fallacious, a strawman, and completely IGNORES the purpose of debate. In a debate, one idea is bad, and the other idea may be good or less bad or whatever. But only one can "win" or be the right idea, meaning even before the debate started, THEY ARE NOT ON EQUAL FOOTING ANYWAY!

Oh btw guys, he's got a response on facebook that I don't expect to last for long before Dobson baleets it:

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Doesn't this make a LOT more sense? In Dobson's version, the one side (Genocide) doesn't really lose at all.
 
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Call the SJW elders, quick. Show them Dobson's bullying of a trans woman. I want to see how long it takes him to kiss their feet to repent.
 
SteelPlatedHeart dijo:
It got worse.
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"It's already been decided, we had a world war about it"

Dobson clearly doesn't understand that most of the actual Nazis that were alive during WW II, if any are left alive, are now well into their 90s, and that "Nazis" of today DID NOT LIVE THROUGH WW II. It makes a difference when a person doesn't live through the era of the decisive battle.

He also doesn't understand that this isn't about DECIDING who is right. It's about trying to convince people who are wrong, that they're wrong. It's also about trying to steer people out of that direction that may not be there yet but if something isn't done, they will drift that way. (Dr. Jordan Peterson said he's been able to steer a number of disaffected young men AWAY from the Alt-Right.) Nor does he understand that by trying to "suppress" an idea by "shutting it down" only drives the opinion underground, where it can fester and grow despite Dobson's naïve idea that by silencing and suppressing it that it will somehow go away. Sunlight is the best disinfectant to a poisonous ideology. Obviously, people who continue to hold Nazi opinions (or anything remotely like it) haven't been convinced that they're wrong, yet. True, there will be some that can't be convinced. But what is Dobson proposing to do with such people? Firing squad? Concentration camps? Forcing them into homelessness so they can starve on the street once exposed? How will starving them and firing/dispossessing them cause them to realize they're wrong? I'm genuinely curious.

After all, isn't oppression the way people start to think they're right rather than wrong? Their reasoning is, if it were so obvious that Nazism is wrong, why would the powers-that-be be working so hard to make sure nobody hears it? It fosters a victim/oppressed mentality similar to that common among the IngSocJus crowd, including the whole martyrdom complex, and that's NOT a good thing.

Any :epik: wanna point out to Dobson that at one point, it was Civil Rights that was considered to be "wrong", already decided, and thus not on an equal footing with Segregation?
 
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Did....did he just....?
(For bonus points, the-specksynder notes on their page that they are trans)
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Holy shit. nothing the other guy said was Nazi-like. They blatantly said in the post that the Nazi ideology is wrong and should be stood up against. And somehow that makes them a Nazi in Dobbo's eyes. What the fuck. People joke about folks like Dobson saying everyone who slightly disagrees with them is a Nazi, but Dobson is literally that joke brought to life.

Anyways, glad to see the Nazis are apparently opening their group up to be more diverse what with letting gay and transgender people join.
 
Keep digging up them holes Dobby.

Seriously, this is just like the time he disregarded a lesbian fan who him that his obession with lesbian was a bit creepy. Dobby never learns. And now he is disappointed at a transgendered person (who he claims to be an ally for) for having an opinion and believing that everyone inculding nazis should have a right to debate.
 
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What debate ?
All you've done is call specksynder a nazi and shown you have such a ridiculously childish black and white view, that you've convinced yourself the other side is pretty much satan.

And he has the fucking nerve to sigh, as if HE'S the one dealing with an idiot.
 
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What debate ?
All you've done is call specksynder a nazi and shown you have such a ridiculously childish black and white view, that you've convinced yourself the other side is pretty much satan.

And he has the fucking nerve to sigh, as if HE'S the one dealing with an idiot.
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Dobson's strawman argument, edited to reflect reality
"WHY WON'T YOU DEBATE MY IDEA?"
"BECAUSE DEBATING A TERRIBLE PERSON IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM MAKES YOU EXACTLY LIKE THAT PERSON!"
"THEN WHY ARE YOU DEBATING SOMEONE YOU CALL A TERRIBLE PERSON?"
 
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