🎭 Dramacow Gamergate / Depression Quest Shitstorm

[Batman VS Tony Danza]

Holy shit, this is the same guy who makes stupid videos about Red Pill shit. I remember one of his videos being passed around /r/cringe and /r/thebluepill a while back. Damn....

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4UL1B3DSZSo

Yeah, when he ended the video with asking for donations I decided to check out his blog. It raised some fucking red flags. While his info seems solid it's obvious he has his own extreme agenda he's trying to push. Luckily a few people who are journalists outside of gaming are looking into it so this guy won't be touted around too much. Hopefully.

 

[Red_Rager]

You hit the nail on the head.



It depends. With online gaming, it can absolutely be better. Unless you use voice chat the other players on your team will only judge you based on your play, not on your gender (which they wouldn't know). You'll probably still be called 'bitch' or 'fag' but that's just the nature of the beast.

But when I game with people who know my real gender, I definitely feel pressured to do better because I'm a girl. It may just be an internalized feeling, and girls who grew up in the 2000s may feel differently, I'm just saying that it's been my experience. Even then I don't see it as a huge deal. It's not something that would stop me from playing games. Still, I can see how it would prevent a lot of young girls from getting into gaming in the first place.

Basically, I think that the issue of women in gaming deserves to be talked about. Like adults. Adults who use facts.

PS - Just an added thought... do iPhone games like Bejeweled, which is played by a lot of women, really count as games? I've heard a lot of discussion on this and I've yet to come up with an answer. I think the distinction between 'casual' and 'hardcore' (or whatever you want to call it) definitely exists. There is a big difference between the person who only plays games on their phone while riding the subway and the person who sinks 600+ hours into Skyrim. I'm one of the latter (but also the former). I guess what I'm trying to say is I'd really like to see numbers on women in gaming based on the hours that they play, because I'm fairly sure that people who fall into the 'hardcore' category have mostly penises.

PPS - Also seeing some numbers on women who follow Let's Plays, MLG and gaming podcasts would be interesting.

There is some truth to female harassment in gaming. This website here has some postings of some of the texts asshats send out to females (hasn't been updated since 2013) http://fatuglyorslutty.com/
Sometimes I feel like the media minimizes our presence in gaming. When people think of gamers, they think of males. The advertisements seem to be geared towards men. It seems like the mainstream has a pre-conceived notion of what gamers are.
I'm not going to go much farther with this as this is going to steer the conversation off-topic. This is where I see discourse can be made in discussing sexism and gaming. Since this is a politicized topic, it needs to be handled with tact and integrity.

Back on topic, you guys might appreciate this, and I hope someone listens to this
http://whatculture.com/gaming/10-lessons-the-gaming-industry-must-learn-from-gamergate.php

 

[mst3kluv]

There is some truth to female harassment in gaming. This website here has some postings of some of the texts asshats send out to females (hasn't been updated since 2013) http://fatuglyorslutty.com/

That tumblr..ugh. I know a woman beat you in vidya, guys, but why send out rape threats?

 

[teheviltwin]

It seems we can add charity fraud to Zoe Quinn's laundry list.

Just a couple of things I've found about this:

http://ohdeargodbees.tumblr.com/post/97275528664/depression-quest-donations

Now... My problem is that she hasn't shown ANY donations from before #gamergate and everything is personal. There is no way to tell what percentage of any money went to these charities. She also doesn't show screen caps of donation amounts. I am assuming that the charities would be obliged to tell people what was donated and when.

 

[John Titor]

It seems we can add charity fraud to Zoe Quinn's laundry list.

She pulled the MRA card when someone asked her what she was doing with the money. I didn't think I could possibly loathe her even more.

 

[teheviltwin]

She pulled the MRA card when someone asks her what she was doing with the money. I didn't think I could possibly loathe her even more.

I don't get that at all. She's been funneling ALL funds through her personal account and when contacted the companies had no idea who she was. The questions are legitimate. I really want to find out what she is obliged to show as proof of percentage donated to said charities to customers. In the US overestimating the amount of revenue donated to charity is tax evasion and can even be punished by a prison sentence.

"The typical tax evader in the United States is a male under the age of 50 in the highest tax bracket and with a complicated return, and the most common means of tax evasion is overstatement of charitable contributions, particularly church donations."

However, I don't think that this is what Zoe is doing. IF she was doing dodgy taxes it would just be undeclared income. I personally believe that she is committing fraud by donating far less money than she should. Unless she provides evidence that the charities had received a certain percentage of EVERY payment (considering she's been getting Sarkeesian levels of "pay what you want" customers) I won't believe she donated a thing before August 19th and even then only a fraction of what she promised.

Off topic but I'd also love to see Sarkeesian's finances gone over with an IRS toothcomb. Especially with the whole non-profit question still unanswered.

 

[Batman VS Tony Danza]

Don't all the donations to her Rebel Jam also go directly to her personal paypal account? So it sounds like any money she gets, whether it be monthly donations directed to her personally through patreon, donations toward her game jam, or even payments that are supposed to be used as donations toward a charity are all going through the SAME paypal account? Why would you fucking do that?

Now she's talking about various charities that people should donate to and how she TOTALLY would have participated in a charity event in Seattle if all this hadn't happened. Totally. Funny how all this charity talk starts after people start asking about iFred. Her attempts at damage control are pretty blatant.

 

[Venusaur]

It seems we can add charity fraud to Zoe Quinn's laundry list.

Oh wow. Did she also lie about her charity donations?
...
If this is true, she's more scummy than I thought.

 

[teheviltwin]

Don't all the donations to her Rebel Jam also go directly to her personal paypal account? So it sounds like any money she gets, whether it be monthly donations directed to her personally through patreon, donations toward her game jam, or even payments that are supposed to be used as donations toward a charity are all going through the SAME paypal account? Why would you fucking do that?

Now she's talking about various charities that people should donate to and how she TOTALLY would have participated in a charity event in Seattle if all this hadn't happened. Totally. Funny how all this charity talk starts after people start asking about iFred. Her attempts at damage control are pretty blatant.

Yup, which is why I suspect a shit ton of tax fraud in the guise of "Oh noes, I just didn't understand accounting... Tee hee."

It would take professional accountants to unravel where everything came from and how much she owes to different people.

Oh wow. Did she also lie about her charity donations?
...
If this is true, she's more scummy than I thought.

It seems she probably has. I added in the stuff she's put up in her defense here but it's really not very impressive.

 

[Francis York Morgan]

Yup, which is why I suspect a shit ton of tax fraud in the guise of "Oh noes, I just didn't understand accounting... Tee hee."

It would take professional accountants to unravel where everything came from and how much she owes to different people.



It seems she probably has. I added in the stuff she's put up in her defense here but it's really not very impressive.

Her defense also doesn't explain why she didn't have separate PayPal accounts for all of this.

 

[teheviltwin]

Her defense also doesn't explain why she didn't have separate PayPal accounts for all of this.

Exactly. Or if any payments were made from her before August 19th or what the total of revenue she received from DQ is and therefor how much she would owe those charities.

I am just being by repeatedly linking the IRS PDF of it's form for reporting tax fraud but it would technically be correct to report her because it lists "unsubstantiated income" and "unreported income" as legitimate reasons for reporting someone. She's keeping her tips, rebel jam donations, DQ revenue and everything else in the same personal bank account via her personal paypal. There is no transparency and there is no way, in my opinion, that she is making the correct tax payments and charitable donations.

 

[DN 420]

I recall a few lawyers from the UK doing paperwork from 4chan about her bullshit but that was a few weeks ago.

 

[teheviltwin]

I recall a few lawyers from the UK doing paperwork from 4chan about her bullshit but that was a few weeks ago.

They're legal issues not taxation ones. As Quinn is based in the USA it would be an IRS job.

 

[Jaimas]

Yup, which is why I suspect a shit ton of tax fraud in the guise of "Oh noes, I just didn't understand accounting... Tee hee."

It would take professional accountants to unravel where everything came from and how much she owes to different people.



It seems she probably has. I added in the stuff she's put up in her defense here but it's really not very impressive.

My mom worked for the IRS. According to her, this was SOP for many shady businesses and fake charities that went down in flames in the 1980s. Donate to some causes to dissuade the fed whilst pocketing money hand over fist.

Fuck this woman, seriously. The fact that she has any credibility in the eyes of anyone at this point fucking defies logic.

 

[Batman VS Tony Danza]

Exactly. Or if any payments were made from her before August 19th or what the total of revenue she received from DQ is and therefor how much she would owe those charities.

I am just being by repeatedly linking the IRS PDF of it's form for reporting tax fraud but it would technically be correct to report her because it lists "unsubstantiated income" and "unreported income" as legitimate reasons for reporting someone. She's keeping her tips, rebel jam donations, DQ revenue and everything else in the same personal bank account via her personal paypal. There is no transparency and there is no way, in my opinion, that she is making the correct tax payments and charitable donations.

The thing that annoys me is she can essentially lives off donations. She has made a career off social networking amongst the indie game dev scene. Depression Quest is the only game she's ever made. She gets at least 2k a month from her patreon account which is basically just monthly donations from people. She has no real body of work that can justify that. Her fame started in (April?) after the alleged harassment she received which is now pointing toward being faked. It's amazing.

 

[Jaimas]

The thing that annoys me is she can essentially lives off donations. She has made a career off social networking amongst the indie game dev scene. Depression Quest is the only game she's ever made. She gets at least 2k a month from her patreon account which is basically just monthly donations from people. She has no real body of work that can justify that. Her fame started in (April?) after the alleged harassment she received which is now pointing toward being faked. It's amazing.

Kind of reminds me of that expose the National Enquirer made on that woman who literally lived by making frivolous lawsuits. You know how we have to have warnings that coffee is hot and cold drinks may be cold? That lady. And let me just say, prestigious company like that is exactly who you want to be likened to.

...In Bizarro World.

 

[Venusaur]

The thing that annoys me is she can essentially lives off donations. She has made a career off social networking amongst the indie game dev scene. Depression Quest is the only game she's ever made. She gets at least 2k a month from her patreon account which is basically just monthly donations from people. She has no real body of work that can justify that. Her fame started in (April?) after the alleged harassment she received which is now pointing toward being faked. It's amazing.

It's almost like she's made a career from being a damsel in distress.

Edited: Because I fail at spellcheck.

 

[MayMay]

It's almost like she's made a carrer from being a damsel in distress.

Just like Anita Sarkeesian.
Why is it always the feminist/sjw ones that constantly bitch about Peach or Zelda being a damsel in distress (kidnapped by a huge fucking monster/nigh invincible warlord) while being even worse in the process (some people said MEAN things on twitter and/or completely faked threats)

 

[Batman VS Tony Danza]

It's almost like she's made a career from being a damsel in distress.

 

[Smutley]

The thing that annoys me is she can essentially lives off donations. She has made a career off social networking amongst the indie game dev scene. Depression Quest is the only game she's ever made. She gets at least 2k a month from her patreon account which is basically just monthly donations from people. She has no real body of work that can justify that. Her fame started in (April?) after the alleged harassment she received which is now pointing toward being faked. It's amazing.

That is not entirely true friend. She also created the Jeff Goldblum Staring Contest Game. So OBVIOUSLY your commentary is suspect, you're a biased source trying to oppress Zoe Quinn, and you should probably kill yourself. Sorry