UN "Uncontacted" tribe makes contact with angry miners - The result is not good apparently

‘Uncontacted’ Amazon Tribe Members Are Reported Killed in Brazil


By SHASTA DARLINGTON
SEPTEMBER 10, 2017



SÃO PAULO, Brazil — They were members of an uncontacted tribe gathering eggs along the river in a remote part of the Amazon. Then, it appears, they had the bad luck of running into gold miners.

Now, federal prosecutors in Brazil have opened an investigation into the reported massacre of about 10 members of the tribe, the latest evidence that threats to endangered indigenous groups are on the rise in the country.

The Brazilian agency on indigenous affairs, Funai, said it had lodged a complaint with the prosecutor’s office in the state of Amazonas after the gold miners went to a bar in a near the border with Colombia, and bragged about the killings. They brandished a hand-carved paddle that they said had come from the tribe, the agency said.

“It was crude bar talk,” said Leila Silvia Burger Sotto-Maior, Funai’s coordinator for uncontacted and recently contacted tribes. “They even bragged about cutting up the bodies and throwing them in the river.”


The miners, she said, claimed that “they had to kill them or be killed.”

Ms. Sotto-Maior said the killings were reported to have taken place last month. The indigenous affairs bureau conducted some initial interviews in the town and then took the case to the police.

“There is a lot of evidence, but it needs to be proven,” she said.

The prosecutor in charge of the case, Pablo Luz de Beltrand, confirmed that an investigation had begun, but said he could not discuss the details of the case while it was underway. He said the episode was alleged to have occurred in the Javari Valley — the second-largest indigenous reserve in Brazil — in the remote west.

“We are following up, but the territories are big and access is limited,” Mr. Beltrand said. “These tribes are uncontacted — even Funai has only sporadic information about them. So it’s difficult work that requires all government departments working together.”

Mr. Beltrand said it was the second such episode that he was investigating this year. The first reported killing of uncontacted Indians in the region occurred in February, and that case is still open. “It was the first time that we’d had this kind of case in this region,” he said in a telephone interview. “It’s not something that was happening before.”

Survival International, a global indigenous rights group, warned that given the small sizes of the uncontacted Amazon tribes, this latest episode could mean that a significant percentage of a remote ethnic group was wiped out.

“If the investigation confirms the reports, it will be yet another genocidal massacre resulting directly from the Brazilian government’s failure to protect isolated tribes — something that is guaranteed in the Constitution,” said Sarah Shenker, a senior campaigner with the rights group.


Under Brazil’s president, Michel Temer, funding for indigenous affairs has been slashed. In April, Funai closed five of the 19 bases that it uses to monitor and protect isolated tribes, and reduced staffing at others. The bases are used to prevent invasions by loggers and miners and to communicate with recently contacted tribes.



Three of those bases were in the Javari Valley, which is known as the Uncontacted Frontier and is believed to be home to more uncontacted tribes than anywhere else on Earth. Approximately 20 of the 103 uncontacted tribes registered in Brazil are in the Valley.

“We had problems with previous governments, but not like this,” said Ms. Sotto-Maior, the Funai coordinator.

Her agency’s budget this year for the uncontacted tribes department was just two million reais, or about $650,000, down from 7.5 million reais in 2014. “What can I do with two million reais?” she said.

President Temer, who is deeply unpopular, has sought support from powerful agricultural, ranching and mining lobbies to push economic changes through Congress and shelter him from a corruption investigation. Last month, the lower house of Congress voted to spare him from standing trial for corruption in the Supreme Court, but only after the president doled out jobs and agreed to a series of concessions, many of which affected longstanding deforestation and land-rights regulations.

A decree by Mr. Temer that opened up a large reserve in the Amazon to mining prompted an international outcry. After a judge blocked the decree, the government announced that it would revise its decision, but critics are wary.


With land disputes on the rise in many remote areas of Brazil, indigenous groups, rural workers and land activists have all been targeted by violence. More than 50 people had been killed as of the end of July, compared with 61 in all of 2016, according to the Land Pastoral Commission.



In some cases, government or police agents have been blamed for the violence. The authorities are investigating one police raid in the Amazon region that ended with 10 activists being killed. No officers were injured.

Activists worry that the country’s indigenous groups — and especially the uncontacted tribes — are the most vulnerable when it comes to land disputes.

“When their land is protected, they thrive,” said Ms. Shenker, the rights campaigner. “When their land is invaded, they can be wiped out.”

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i think we need to build a wall around the natives, and then make them pay for it
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Aren't these the same indegineous tribes that are known to murder any others who trespasses?

This ain't like the Native Americans who offer peace, these people are literally cut off from the world.
 
“What can I do with two million reais?” she said.

2 million reais is $642,528.29 USD.

You could give all the uncontacted tribe members Satellite Mobile phones so you could keep in contact with them and warn them not to dick around shooting bows and arrows at people who have guns and machetes.
What can't you do with 2million reais!
 
This shit is surprisingly common up there in the Amazon.
I don't have much pity for the natives, they already have access to priority welfare and quotas and have gigantic reservations where they are basically idependent, said reserves are also curiously on massive mineral and fertile lands that if explored would make brazil basically self reliant on most food and industrial needs.

There's already more land in reserves than all the inhabited land in Brazil combined.

For the wild west situation is a simple fact that the government isn't willing to fund or order the armed forces to take control, the left uses the land conflicts and indigenous people's problems as a useful electoral support and the right has several Senate and House members that are landowners there.

Brazil has a surprisingly feudal system of a landowners controlling the rural areas and forcing them (the poor) to vote for a party they pledge support for.
Since both sides find this useful, I doubt it will change for a long time.
 
There's the North Sentinel Island people somewhere off the coast of India who are also uncontacted. Try to contact them and they'll likely try to kill you.

Yeah but those people are on a shitty little island that nobody cares about, the 2004 Indian tsunami almost wiped them out and if i had nobody would have gave a fuck.

There's no good reason to allow primitive tribes to exist in areas where they may come into contact with civilized people.
 
This sounds really like a wild west scenario. I don't get it why they leave a tribe totally uncontacted though.

Just a simple once a year checkup of "Hey are you having a plague do you need an aspirin?" would be like divine intervention to them.
 
There's a certain beauty and magic to the idea that there are full fledged tribes of humans that aren't plagued with the troubles of the modern world. I understand the urge to let them stay the way they are, it's almost how you protect a child from adult troubles as long as you're able to. But for all it's flaws, the modern way of life has things that make it worth it, things like morphine for the person dying in agony for example. Keeping someone as ignorant as possible by ruling out contact with them is pretty arrogant at the end of the day. You don't have to go in and force them all into suits and 60 hours in a cubicle, but you should probably at least them them know we've got dentists and air conditioning and let assimilation take it's natural course.

Also, just being brutal here. If your tribe bumps into a neighbor tribe, and the result is ten of you die and then they go get drunk and talk about what they did with your bodies? Your tribe doesn't really stand a chance in the long term. Probably time to make formal contact so they don't get exterminated bumping into some loggers or entomologists or something.
 
2 million reais is $642,528.29 USD.

You could give all the uncontacted tribe members Satellite Mobile phones so you could keep in contact with them and warn them not to dick around shooting bows and arrows at people who have guns and machetes.
What can't you do with 2million reais!
>implying everyone speaks the same language
This ain't your chinese cartoons, kid.
 
It's amazing that there are still uncontacted peoples in this day and age. But their days really are numbered. Because unless some disaster beats us all back into the stone age modern society is going to eventually catch up with everyone sooner or later. It's too bad we aren't at a point where terraforming and colonization of other planets is possible. Then we could just dump them off somewhere and leave them alone forever.
 
This sounds really like a wild west scenario. I don't get it why they leave a tribe totally uncontacted though.

Just a simple once a year checkup of "Hey are you having a plague do you need an aspirin?" would be like divine intervention to them.

The Sentinelese immediately run away or attack when approached. It's really impossible to contact them, other than by just killing them all, I suppose. They don't want to talk. Leave them alone.
 
But for all it's flaws, the modern way of life has things that make it worth it, things like morphine for the person dying in agony for example. Keeping someone as ignorant as possible by ruling out contact with them is pretty arrogant at the end of the day.
If there are any spacefaring extraterrestrials who know of and can visit the Solar System, they don't seem to be following that logic in dealing -- or rather not dealing -- with Earth.
 
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There's the North Sentinel Island people somewhere off the coast of India who are also uncontacted. Try to contact them and they'll likely try to kill you.

Oddly, enough they only fire untipped arrows and retreat. For whatever reason, they just don't want to talk. Never have.

Anyway, uncontacted tribes should be protected and left alone unconditionally. That's my opinion.
 
If there are any spacefaring extraterrestrials who know of and can visit the Solar System, they don't seem to be following that logic in dealing -- or rather not dealing -- with Earth.

I've generally considered there are really only a couple possibilities with that. One is we're already known to the galactic community, which views us as the retarded North Korea of the universe, too dumb and dangerous to approach and with nothing to gain for it. That's actually the optimistic view.

The other is that we're actually the pinnacle of civilization to the point that every other civilization already nuked themselves out of existence. This would put us at the top of the sped class.
 
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