Culture Guardian writer is a fucking loony - Wants to tear down Nelson's Column because "he was a white supremacist"

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...statues-nelsons-column-should-be-next-slavery

Toppling statues? Here’s why Nelson’s column should be next
Afua Hirsch

The area I grew up in, leafy Wimbledon in south-west London, is bordered by memorials to two towering historical figures. One side dedicates its streets and walls to the legacy of the abolitionist William Wilberforce: the remnants of a house where he lounged with his friends, and the mounting block he used to get on his horse to ride to the Houses of Parliament, still stand.

The other side is devoted to Admiral Horatio Nelson, who having defeated the French navy bought a romantic estate where he stayed with his lover, Emma Hamilton. So many streets, pubs, shops and other local businesses recall this history that local estate agents refer to the area as The Battles.

These two contemporaneous, though contrasting, histories are symbolic of the problems Britain faces in confronting its past. Wilberforce, unquestionably a force for good, helped end, in 1807, Britain’s official involvement in the transatlantic slave trade. But he was not alone. The enormous contribution of black people in Britain at the time – especially activists and writers who were slaves themselves – has no equivalent site of glory, in London or anywhere in the country.


One of the obstacles all these abolitionists had to overcome was the influence of Nelson, who was what you would now call, without hesitation, a white supremacist. While many around him were denouncing slavery, Nelson was vigorously defending it. Britain’s best known naval hero – so idealised that after his death in 1805 he was compared to no less than “the God who made him” – used his seat in the House of Lords and his position of huge influence to perpetuate the tyranny, serial rape and exploitation organised by West Indian planters, some of whom he counted among his closest friends.

It is figures like Nelson who immediately spring to mind when I hear the latest news of confederate statues being pulled down in the US. These memorials – more than 700 of which still stand in states including Virginia, Georgia and Texas – have always been the subject of offence and trauma for many African Americans, who rightly see them as glorifying the slavery and then segregation of their not so distant past. But when these statues begin to fulfil their intended purpose of energising white supremacist groups, the issue periodically attracts more mainstream interest.

But when it comes to our own statues, things get a little awkward. The colonial and pro-slavery titans of British history are still memorialised: despite student protests, Oxford University’s statue of imperialist Cecil Rhodes has not been taken down; and Bristol still celebratesits notorious slaver Edward Colston. When I tweeted this weekend that it’s time we in Britain look again at our own landscape, the reaction was hostile.


“I don’t want that nonsense spreading here from America. Past is past, we have moved on,” one person said. Another accused me of being a “#ClosetRacist” for even raising the question. But the most common sentiment was summed up in this tweet: “Its History – we cant & shouldn’t re-write it – we learn from it. Removing statues would make us no different to terrorists at Palmyra.” Therein lies the point. Britain has committed unquantifiable acts of cultural terrorism – tearing down statues and palaces, and erasing the historical memory of other great civilisations during an imperial era whose supposed greatness we are now, so ironically, very precious about preserving intact.

And we knew what we were doing at the time. One detail that has always struck me is how, when the British destroyed the centuries-old Summer Palace in Beijing in 1860 and gave a little dog they’d stolen as a gift to Queen Victoria, she humorously named it “Looty”. This is one of the long list of things we are content to forget while sucking on the opium of “historical integrity” we claim our colonial statues represent.


We have “moved on” from this era no more than the US has from its slavery and segregationist past. The difference is that America is now in the midst of frenzied debate on what to do about it, whereas Britain – in our inertia, arrogance and intellectual laziness – is not.

The statues that remain are not being “put in their historical context”, as is often claimed. Take Nelson’s column. Yes, it does include the figure of a black sailor, cast in bronze in the bas-relief. He was probably one of the thousands of slaves promised freedom if they fought for the British military, only to be later left destitute, begging and homeless, on London’s streets when the war was over.

But nothing about this “context” is accessible to the people who crane their necks in awe of Nelson. The black slaves whose brutalisation made Britain the global power it then was remain invisible, erased and unseen.

The people so energetically defending statues of Britain’s white supremacists remain entirely unconcerned about righting this persistent wrong. They are content to leave the other side of the story where it is now – in Nelson’s case, among the dust and the pigeons, 52 metres below the admiral’s feet. The message seems to be that is the only place where the memory of the black contribution to Britain’s past belongs.
 
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1% confirmed.

What does this privileged bitch have a against cripples!?

difference between the Guardian Picks top comment at 156 recommendations and the Peoples choice at over 1000 recommendations.

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also, sorry for double posting but I couldnt add an image in edit
 
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The comments on the Guardian have been becoming increasingly anti-Guardian over the past couple of years which is always fun to read.

The only thing correct about the article is that there should be a statue to Wilberforce that's more available to the public - the only one of him in London is in Westminster Abbey and the only other statue is in Hull, surely there's a place for him in one of the London parks somewhere as well.
 
The comments on the Guardian have been becoming increasingly anti-Guardian over the past couple of years which is always fun to read.

The only thing correct about the article is that there should be a statue to Wilberforce that's more available to the public - the only one of him in London is in Westminster Abbey and the only other statue is in Hull, surely there's a place for him in one of the London parks somewhere as well.


Just putting my Guardianista hat one here...

The Wilberforce guy is a bearded Victorian white dude, therefore he was a Christian and the bible endorses slavery, so lets go to Hull and tear down this White Slavers statue!

Checkmate Atheists
 
History is wacist! And in other news, bears shit in the woods.

Our toff here should know that the best way to deal with bad, naughty history is to educate people about it, so people won't allow it to happen again.

Or, just blow every statue up and replace them with fat black troons in wheelchairs, I dunno.
 
I too agree there should be more statues to value people who fought slavery but christ, you can find unacceptable stuff by today's standards from all historical figures pre-1960. If guy is anti-slavery, he probably thought bad of feminists. If feminist fought for women rights, she probably hated the poor class.
The most fascinating tihng about western history is how we evolved. You can't just go full futurist and destroy history
 
So... what I'm taking from all this is as long as you're brown skinned upper class woman and barely educated enough to avoid writing in unintelligible ebonics, you can get a nice job at a huge newspaper and write completely asinine articles or commentaries demanding the deconstruction of the very society that gave you your privileged lot in life in the first place.

I too agree there should be more statues to value people who fought slavery but christ, you can find unacceptable stuff by today's standards from all historical figures pre-1960.
Seeing how prone the SJW are to witchhunts and how quickly you can fall from grace with only one out-of-context comment (or just the accusation of being an apostate) and it's pretty much impossible to find a person even today that wouldn't be deemed "problematic" at some point or another.

The funny thing about the hardliner SJW is how huge their demand for unwavering, eternal purity is, yet they constantly change what exactly they consider "pure" and invent ever more reasons to be pissed with people.
 
The funny thing about the hardliner SJW is how huge their demand for unwavering, eternal purity is, yet they constantly change what exactly they consider "pure" and invent ever more reasons to be pissed with people.
Because it's a race in the Olympics. It's perfectly okay to evolve your beliefs and stand for different things today than you did yesterday... but only so long as you can make everyone pretend you are the first one to do it. Everyone else must be eternally shamed for not being first place to the bar you set.
 
I guarantee that these cockroaches will be wanting to remove our war memorials next. I dont care what Nelson did when he was off the clock, it still doesn't change that he was probably the best naval commander we will ever have.
 
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