Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

If Kris being canonically nonbinary was so important you'd think Toby would've outright confirmed it ONCE given his fanbase have been launching fucking crusades over it for almost a decade.

But no, mums the word from the Dog.
 
If Kris being canonically nonbinary was so important you'd think Toby would've outright confirmed it ONCE given his fanbase have been launching fucking crusades over it for almost a decade.

But no, mums the word from the Dog.
He does confirm it. In the games themselves the protags are "they/them". It sounds like you guys love coping and sweeping for Toby Fox a bit, same delusions troons have with their own protections as someone in the Vinesauce thread pointed out when people kept insisting he's secretly a chud. It's obvious it's a cater to faggots who love that shit with the they them shit which has been a thing since Undertale with Frisk and Chara.
 
He does confirm it. In the games themselves the protags are "they/them". It sounds like you guys love coping and sweeping for Toby Fox a bit, same delusions troons have with their own protections as someone in the Vinesauce thread pointed out when people kept insisting he's secretly a chud. It's obvious it's a cater to faggots who love that shit with the they them shit which has been a thing since Undertale with Frisk and Chara.
right but he's saying "if they're nonbinary why not just confirm it?"
Toby doesn't actually do that. He just leaves it ambiguous.
Now I think it's retarded either way, because Kris is clearly a boy, not a girl, and Nonbinary isn't a real thing, but the point is if its meant to be so obviously "NB" then why wouldn't he just fucking spit it out already
 
right but he's saying "if they're nonbinary why not just confirm it?"
Toby doesn't actually do that. He just leaves it ambiguous.
Now I think it's retarded either way, because Kris is clearly a boy, not a girl, and Nonbinary isn't a real thing, but the point is if its meant to be so obviously "NB" then why wouldn't he just fucking spit it out already
And yet Kris and Frisk are still they them gender blobs according to the games themselves. He doesn't need to confirm it and it's obvious Toby Fox likes faggot shit. Come on now.

Remember the lion tranny from Undertale after the metatton fight??? Remember the whole character arc of metatton? You're fucking delusional.

I get that you love these games but you can't admit maybe Toby Fox is a faggot.

"WELL ERM HES CLEARLY A GUY PROTAGONIST", AND TOBY FOX STILL USES THEY THEM ON HIM.

Ain't no ifs, ands, or buts about it. I know I'm right. Toby Fox won't confirm or deny it because he has some containment and loves the jj abrams mystery box writing style. You're a retard for insisting the nonbinary protagonists aren't actually nonbinary despite the games themselves telling it all. The benefit of it on Toby's side is letting male or female players "relate" to the protagonist. There's always some bullshit game dev reason for anything and most of it does not pander to our side. It panders to the troons.
 
If he has I can't remember it.

I just don't get why people latch onto Kris being non-binary as this 100% confirmed aspect of the character that must be "corrected" at all times as though Kris were a real person, when as far as we know Humans in the Foxiverse may not even have genders or are all called "they" because Monsters legit can't tell the sexes apart. Kris being referred to as "they" 527 times on the wiki doesn't actually confirm or deny anything because EVERY human is referred to that way.

Toby never fucking tells us why.

I mean if every single human character we ever see or hear about are all hecking valid enbies then what the fuck does being an enby even mean in this universe? It's certainly not some special unique part of their identity given how seemingly universal and mundane it is.
>Be me
>Red SOUL
>Possessing emo human
>Need to pee
>Go to bathroom
>Can't see junk, resolution too small
>Guess human's sex from context
>Piss pants
>Human hates me even more

This wouldn't be such a problem if you were willing to tell me anything, human.
 
It's best to remind ourselves of all the Amazing Digital Circus cope.
Watch as Ralsei dies in Chapter 7 all the while a montage of him is played with "Isn't She Lovely" from Louis Armstrong plays in the background and a few days after Chapter 7 Toby reveals in a xeet that Ralsei is actually a le heckin transwoman


This wouldn't be such a problem if you were willing to tell me anything, human.
Unfortunately he is a Dreemur therefore it is within his bloodline to vaguepost
 
Watch as Ralsei dies in Chapter 7 all the while a montage of him is played with "Isn't She Lovely" from Louis Armstrong plays in the background and a few days after Chapter 7 Toby reveals that Ralsei is actually a le heckin transwoman
I won't lie to you, I once told a woman about that whole Isn't She Lovely thing, because she loves the song.

She basically cried in rage and hate of troons for taking the song of a literally disabled man and ruining it.

Death is too good for troons, thus we must hope for the truth of Hell.
 
She basically cried in rage and hate of troons for taking the song of a literally disabled man and ruining it.
To add insult to injury Isn't She Lovely was written in honor of his daughter. Imagine writing a song about how beautiful and miraculous the birth of your baby girl is only to have it subverted by sexual deviants a few decades later and all everyone talks about the song is how the song relates to their deviancy instead of the beauty of childbirth
 
To add insult to injury Isn't She Lovely was written in honor of his daughter. Imagine writing a song about how beautiful and miraculous the birth of your baby girl is only to have it subverted by sexual deviants a few decades later and all everyone talks about the song is how the song relates to their deviancy instead of the beauty of childbirth
We tie millstones to their neck and destroy their Baal altars.
 
And yet Kris and Frisk are still they them gender blobs according to the games themselves. He doesn't need to confirm it and it's obvious Toby Fox likes faggot shit. Come on now.

Remember the lion tranny from Undertale after the metatton fight??? Remember the whole character arc of metatton? You're fucking delusional.

I get that you love these games but you can't admit maybe Toby Fox is a faggot.

"WELL ERM HES CLEARLY A GUY PROTAGONIST", AND TOBY FOX STILL USES THEY THEM ON HIM.

Ain't no ifs, ands, or buts about it. I know I'm right. Toby Fox won't confirm or deny it because he has some containment and loves the jj abrams mystery box writing style. You're a retard for insisting the nonbinary protagonists aren't actually nonbinary despite the games themselves telling it all.
If Kris and Frisk simply being referred to as "they" by default is all it takes to assert that they are canonically nonbinary in-universe then them both being yellow is enough to assert that they are both canonically chinese.

The argument is not that Fox is too much of a BASED CHAD to make a nonbinary character, he is not vague or bashful about shoehorning in gay shit. Noelle and Susie do everything short of eat each other out for half of Chapter 5 and the other half is a black man in a tutu chasing his gay cowboy lover. He was friends with the author of fucking homsestuck for god's sake.

The point is if he intended for the protagonist's pronouns to explicitly be pandering rather than just ambiguity then he would lose absolutely nothing by confirming it as such instead of leaving it vague enough that people have arguments about it for a decade.

All the way back in the Undertale days Fox actively avoided talking about why he made Frisk ambiguously gendered, even outright refusing to answer questions about it during interviews. Why would he be bashful about that specific thing in the same game where there's out and proud gay couples and tranny allegories?

There's zero reason for such a slavishly loyal ally to be so unyieldingly dedicated to obfuscating something like that.

It's best to remind ourselves of all the Amazing Digital Circus cope.
If Ralsei troons out while a chiptune cover of Isn't She Lovely plays in the background I will storm into Toby's Nippon paper mache house and slap him so hard he actually becomes Japanese.
 
You're actually coping. He put in tranny themes. Come on. Peak millennial faggot game, come on you're almost there. Just realize it for what it is instead of being a speculating retard about Toby's motivations, the same nigger who crossdressed and hangs out with fags of all colors.
 
I also think Toby definitely wants people to think Kris is nonbinary instead of a guy based on how willing he is to butcher the grammar of the game to accommodate the they/them bullshit, as well as that one time he corrected a co host over that shit in a stream, and him not outright saying it is just because of some weird retarded autistic idea that not revealing it will make him look cooler or mysterious, considering he did have a whole cutscene to establish Seth as nonbinary. Despite his intent to it's pretty obvious that he thinks Kris is a male even if he won't admit it, as there's absolutely zero female characteristics that could be attributed to Kris (to perhaps that could just be Toby being unable to make female characters that don't act like dudes with the exception of Toriel).
 
If Kris being canonically nonbinary was so important you'd think Toby would've outright confirmed it ONCE given his fanbase have been launching fucking crusades over it for almost a decade.

But no, mums the word from the Dog.
All the way back in the Undertale days Fox actively avoided talking about why he made Frisk ambiguously gendered, even outright refusing to answer questions about it during interviews. Why would he be bashful about that specific thing in the same game where there's out and proud gay couples and tranny allegories?
He's absolutely walking on eggshells about the whole topic. When he went out of his way to address a moment where he slipped up and called Napstablook a he during the 10th anniversary stream, I can just imagine him feeling the gun pointing at his head.
 
Sans is powerful but coy, he's cool but not try hard,
Have you forgotten how he randomly threatens you in UT and how passive-aggressive he is?

Seth actually seems like she could be a boy here, or perhaps just a very ugly girl.
Though the long hair still makes it clear Seth is a woman
Seth representing a nerd and being ugly fits.

Toby is just really weird with pronouns. Every human in both game's stories and lore has been called a they, even though we know Toby himself referred to Frisk as a boy behind the scenes.
Toby makes Kris a "they" because if he ever confirms that Kris is a guy, the troon-squad will want to kill him. Such is their hatred of men. If Kris is instead a woman somehow, they would still kill him for transphobia.

I mean if every single human character we ever see or hear about are all hecking valid enbies then what the fuck does being an enby even mean in this universe?
If everyone was mentally ill, there wouldn't be any humans left for sure.

It's best to remind ourselves of all the Amazing Digital Circus cope.
Which one? The thing about how the author went out and confirmed the psycho character that literally crashes out as a troon instead of literally saying anything else more interesting?
 
You can enjoy things that have gay shit in them. You don't have to try and defend them as chuddy subversive masterpieces. It just makes (you) look gayer for it.
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