Unpopular Opinions about Video Games

[The Last Stand]

• PS2 could draw more pixels, Gamecube could do more on a single pixel operation.
• PS2 was largely limited to 4-bit textures; Gamecube drew 24-bit textures with native 6:1 compression.
• PS2's effects pipeline largely needed to consist of overdraw & framebuffer effects; Gamecube had quite a few things it could do before this step
• PS2 had to sacrifice fill rate to use MIP maps or anti-aliasing; Gamecube had dedicated silicon for these operations

@XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG and I had that discussion a while back. He helped me understand the different architectures through actress analogies. I was hoping you'd do the same.

Typically, Gamecube games saved space by compressing FMV & sound more, not reducing texture quality.

If that's the case, how come most multiplatform games on GameCube have blurrier textures in comparison?

 

[The Ugly One]

@XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG and I had that discussion a while back. He helped me understand the different architectures through actress analogies. I was hoping you'd do the same.

PS2 is Fred Astaire: The best dancer alive in his day
Gamecube is Gene Kelly: Excellent dancer, charming, athletic, funny, and a good singer

If that's the case, how come most multiplatform games on GameCube have blurrier textures in comparison?

This true of a few games, but not most as far as I remember. By the end of the generation, multiplat games were made optimized for the PS2, then ported to the Cube/Xbox. This means they started out with 4-bit textures. Gamecube can't compress 4-bit textures at all (6:1 on 24b, 4:1 on 16b, 2:1 on 8b, or nothing on 4b), so all you can do is decrease the resolution.

 

[The Last Stand]

By the end of the generation, multiplat games were made optimized for the PS2, then ported to the Cube/Xbox.

Oh right, I forgot. I believe the PS2 was less powerful than the GameCube, but harder to work with.

I think you'd be better off emulating GameCube games over PS2.

PS2 is Fred Astaire: The best dancer alive in his day
Gamecube is Gene Kelly: Excellent dancer, charming, athletic, funny, and a good singer

Fred is an actor, not an actress.

 

[The Foxtrot]

PS2 is Fred Astaire: The best dancer alive in his day
Gamecube is Gene Kelly: Excellent dancer, charming, athletic, funny, and a good singer

I'd reverse those. The Gamecube was markedly inferior to PS2.

 

[demicolon]

Paradox map painting games aren't fun and are all the same thing. It's a bunch of unintelligible glyphs, and you have to study a wiki to know which ones to click as a timer runs down. Figure out which boxes on the tree to click so the right menu options come up as the time runs down so you can unlock different boxes to click. If the right numbers go up, you can click blotches on the map. Being "good" at the game just means you studied the wiki to know which glyphs to click in this particular iteration. Wheee.

It's OK to have Sub-Saharan African IQ, really. It's not your fault.
It's not your fault.
It's not your fault.
It's not your fault.
It's not your fault.
It's not your fault.

 

[The Ugly One]

Oh right, I forgot. I believe the PS2 was less powerful than the GameCube, but harder to work with.

It isn't quite so simple because the system architectures were so different. The PS2 had a more powerful, faster geometry processor and 16 primitive pixel processors. The Gamecube had 4 powerful pixel processors. The Xbox had 2 extremely powerful pixel processors. In practice, it turns out that better beats more.

Fred is an actor, not an actress.

But you understood the metaphor.

The Gamecube was markedly inferior to PS2.

The set of things the GC could do that the PS2 couldn't is much larger than vice versa.

It's OK to have Sub-Saharan African IQ, really. It's not your fault.

The Paradox style of 4X games are a midwit's idea of what a smart person would find intellectually stimulating.

 

[The Foxtrot]

The set of things the GC could do that the PS2 couldn't is much larger than vice versa.

More people bought the original Xbox over the Gamecube. Both Xbox and Gamecube combined barely equal 1/3rd of the PS2's sales. The Gamecube might have been a more technologically impressive console, but I remember knowing only one kid that had one, while everyone had a PS2.

 

[The Last Stand]

I'd reverse those. The Gamecube was markedly inferior to PS2.

That's a misconception. The GameCube was theoretically more powerful than the PS2 thanks to its efficiency. The inferiority in execution came from developers having to condense games on account of GameCube's smaller, specialized miniDVD format.

 

[demicolon]

I knew people who choose either Playstation or X-Box over GameCube solely for its reputation as a console for kids.

 

[The Last Stand]

I asked two AI algorithms to evaluate the differences between the four consoles using two actresses. React accordingly (, )if you want to see what spit out.

 

[brokenexuberance]

I knew people who choose either Playstation or X-Box over GameCube solely for its reputation as a console for kids.

I remember bringing my GameCube over to my friend's house and his older brother was scoffing every two seconds at it. He made a big stink about it and we were just enjoying ourselves playing. I get if you can only get one console you need to weigh all the games and features but this dude couldn't stand watching us enjoy it for free.

 

[The Last Stand]

I remember bringing my GameCube over to my friend's house and his older brother was scoffing every two seconds at it. He made a big stink about it and we were just enjoying ourselves playing. I get if you can only get one console you need to weigh all the games and features but this dude couldn't stand watching us enjoy it for free.

That's what I hate about gamers. They love to bitch while watching people enjoy gaming. Just out of nowhere.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

I think you'd be better off emulating GameCube games over PS2.

Even in cases where a GameCube port isn't technically superior, Dolphin is still a significantly better experience than PCSX2 in a whole bunch of ways. To this day, there are a fair number of PS2 games (even popular ones) that don't run particularly well.

 

[The Ugly One]

Both Xbox and Gamecube combined barely equal 1/3rd of the PS2's sales.

So? @The Last Stand wasn't asking about unit sales.

The GameCube was theoretically more powerful than the PS2 thanks to its efficiency.

Again, it's one of those "yes and no" things. If I start with a game designed for Gamecube, and migrate to PS2, converting the 24-bit textures to 4-bit textures is going to result in a marked degradation in visual quality, as with the PS2 versions of RE4 and Timesplitters: Future Perfect. On the other hand, if I start with a game designed for the PS2, and it's using 4-bit textures and all 32 MB of the system RAM, the fact that the Gamecube has only 24 MB of system RAM means that I might have to cut texture quality when migrating...and that's assuming disc space isn't an issue. But then, the Gamecube gave you trilinear filtering for free. I think it consumed half the fillrate on PS2 and thus was almost never used.

 

[The Last Stand]

Even in cases where a GameCube port isn't technically superior, Dolphin is still a significantly better experience than PCSX2 in a whole bunch of ways. To this day, there are a fair number of PS2 games (even popular ones) that don't run particularly well.

That goes into how efficient the GameCube was under the hood compared to its competition. I take it Nintendo learned their lesson from the N64.

I asked two AI algorithms to evaluate the differences between the four consoles using two actresses. React accordingly (, )if you want to see what spit out.

ChatGPT:

Thanks for the technological specs between the four consoles. Perhaps if you could, could you simplify it a bit for me for a better understanding. Maybe use a picture of Marlene Dietrich or Jean Harlow to show the examples in action.

Spoiler: Marlene Dietrich analogy

I'd be happy to! I actually think using a photograph is a great way to explain it because each console "thought" about drawing an image in a different way.

Let's imagine every console is trying to render the same glamorous studio portrait of Marlene Dietrich.


Now imagine that photo has to be recreated by the console 60 times every second while you're moving a camera around it in a game.

Dreamcast: "Only paint what's actually visible."​

Think of an artist painting a room.

Instead of painting the entire room first, the artist looks through a window and says:

"I can only see this corner, so I'll paint only this corner."

That's essentially what the Dreamcast's PowerVR graphics chip did.

If Marlene were standing in front of a wall:

• it wouldn't waste time drawing the entire wall behind her.
• it figured out what the player could actually see first.

Result

• Efficient
• Fast
• Very little wasted effort

Think of it as a very organized painter.

PlayStation 2: "Everyone has a different job."​

Instead of one artist, imagine an entire Hollywood film crew.

One person paints Marlene's face.

Another paints her dress.

Another paints the lighting.

Another paints the background.

If everyone works together perfectly...

...the portrait is stunning.

If they don't...

...people bump into each other and everything slows down.

That's why PS2 programming was difficult.

The console wasn't weak—it just expected developers to coordinate all of its specialized processors.

Think of it as a talented orchestra that needs a skilled conductor.

GameCube: "One excellent artist."​

Nintendo took a different approach.

Instead of hiring ten specialists...

they hired one incredibly skilled painter with excellent brushes and paints.

The artist simply says:

"Give me the picture."

…and produces a beautiful result.

Developers often liked the GameCube because it didn't require nearly as many tricks to achieve clean graphics.

Think of it as a master portrait painter.

Xbox: "A Photoshop workstation."​

Microsoft looked at PCs and said:

"Why don't we just use something close to that?"

Imagine giving an artist:

• a powerful computer,
• Photoshop,
• lots of memory,
• and a huge hard drive full of reference images.

That artist can:

• add realistic shadows,
• adjust lighting,
• use advanced effects,
• save lots of work.

Because the Xbox was so PC-like, many developers already understood how to make it shine.

Think of it as a modern digital artist.

Why this mattered in real games​

Suppose you're playing a game and Marlene is walking through an elegant ballroom.

• Dreamcast focuses on rendering only what you can see at that moment, conserving processing power.
• PS2 splits the work across its specialized hardware. When developers mastered it, they could fill scenes with impressive animation and effects.
• GameCube often produced crisp, stable visuals with relatively little effort from developers because its hardware was well balanced.
• Xbox could more easily create effects like detailed lighting, bump mapping, and realistic shadows thanks to its PC-inspired graphics hardware.

Grok:

Could you elaborate the differences between the sixth generation of consoles? And, could you illustrate the technical differences with an analogy featuring Jean Harlow?

Spoiler: Grok explanation featuring Jean Harlow

The sixth generation of video game consoles (roughly 1998–2007 era, sometimes called the 128-bit generation) featured four major home systems: Sega's Dreamcast (launched 1998/1999), Sony's PlayStation 2 (2000), Nintendo's GameCube (2001), and Microsoft's Xbox (2001).

This generation marked a shift toward 3D graphics dominance, optical media, online play (pioneered broadly here), and multimedia features. The PS2 was by far the most successful (~160 million units sold), followed by Xbox (~24M), GameCube (~22M), and Dreamcast (~9M).

Key Differences​

Here's a comparison of their technical specs, features, strengths, and weaknesses:

• Dreamcast (Sega): Pioneer of the generation. Built-in modem for online play (innovative at the time), GD-ROM discs (higher capacity than CDs but not DVDs), VGA output support. CPU: Hitachi SH-4 @ 200 MHz. GPU: NEC PowerVR2 @ 100 MHz. RAM: 16 MB + 8 MB VRAM. Strong arcade ports (e.g., Soul Calibur), innovative games like Shenmue, Jet Set Radio, and Phantasy Star Online. It was ahead of its time but discontinued early due to PS2 hype, financial issues for Sega, and limited third-party support.
• PlayStation 2 (Sony): The market dominator. Backward compatible with PS1 games, built-in DVD player (huge selling point as affordable DVD hardware). Emotion Engine CPU (~294 MHz), Graphics Synthesizer GPU (150 MHz), 32 MB RAM + 4 MB VRAM. Massive game library (over 4,000 titles), strong third-party support, and long lifespan (supported until 2013). Excellent for cinematic, story-driven games (e.g., GTA, Final Fantasy, Metal Gear). It was relatively hard to develop for but versatile.
• GameCube (Nintendo): Compact, "toy-like" design focused purely on gaming (no DVD playback in most models; used proprietary mini-discs). IBM Gekko CPU (486 MHz), ATI Flipper GPU (162 MHz), 24 MB 1T-SRAM + extras. Best controller of the generation for many, strong first-party Nintendo titles (Super Smash Bros. Melee, Metroid Prime, Zelda: Wind Waker, Mario Sunshine), and GBA connectivity. Family-friendly focus limited mature titles and online play; weaker third-party support overall.
• Xbox (Microsoft): PC-like architecture for easier development/porting. Intel Pentium III CPU (733 MHz), Nvidia NV2A GPU (233 MHz), 64 MB unified RAM, built-in hard drive (first for consoles), Ethernet for Xbox Live online service. Supported higher resolutions (up to 1080i) and better graphics/power in many multiplats. Strong in FPS and Western games (Halo series). Large size and "mature" focus hurt it in Japan; expensive to produce (Microsoft took big losses).

Summary of technical edges:

• Raw power/graphics: Xbox often led in multi-platform titles and resolution, followed by PS2/GameCube (which punched above weight in optimized games).
• Storage/Online: Xbox (HDD + Live), Dreamcast (early online), PS2 (DVD + later add-ons).
• Ease of development: Xbox (PC roots), Dreamcast (Windows CE option).
• Exclusives/Library: PS2 broadest, Nintendo strongest first-party, Dreamcast most innovative/arcade-like.
• Multimedia: PS2 (DVD), Xbox (HDD/media potential).

The generation emphasized a move from cartridges to discs, 3D over 2D, and the foundation for modern online/console ecosystems.

Let's try this analogy against in terms of, say, rendering a picture of Jean Harlow. How would the four consoles differ in execution and why?

Rendering Jean Harlow (the platinum-blonde bombshell with her signature glamour, soft lighting, silky textures, and classic Hollywood allure) would highlight each console's hardware strengths and quirks in 3D/2D graphics pipelines of the era.

Think of it as each console's GPU/CPU/memory setup "filming" or rasterizing a digital portrait of her—posing elegantly in a white satin gown under dramatic key lighting, with detailed skin, hair highlights, fabric sheen, and perhaps a soft-focus background. Here's how they'd differ in execution, tied to their real technical specs:

Dreamcast (PowerVR2 GPU @ 100 MHz, SH-4 CPU @ 200 MHz, 16+8 MB RAM)​

• Execution: A crisp, arcade-polished render with strong tile-based deferred rendering. Harlow would look sharp and vibrant on lower resolutions (typically 480i/p), with efficient handling of transparent effects for her veil or dress highlights. Good texture filtering and bump mapping for her hair's shine or skin glow, but limited polygon count and fill rate might simplify background details or require clever tricks (like pre-baked lighting). Colors pop with that early-3D "Sega sparkle."
• Why? Its PowerVR2 excelled at efficient 3D scenes with fewer resources, pioneering features like on-chip texture compression. It would feel innovative and stylish but constrained—like an early Harlow talkie: groundbreaking yet not quite cinematic scale. Load times quick thanks to GD-ROM, but no HDD for caching complex assets.

PlayStation 2 (Graphics Synthesizer @ 150 MHz, Emotion Engine ~294 MHz, 32+4 MB RAM)​

• Execution: Highly detailed and emotionally nuanced, with excellent particle effects for subtle hair strands or dress shimmer, strong alpha blending for soft lighting/fog, and versatile shader-like capabilities (via its vector units). It could handle higher effective detail through clever programming, producing a "movie-like" quality with rich colors and depth—Harlow's iconic look rendered with cinematic flair, possibly with dynamic lighting that makes her eyes sparkle. Massive library precedent means optimized, polished output.
• Why? The GS was flexible for a wide range of effects despite not being the raw-most powerful; the Emotion Engine's floating-point prowess helped with complex transformations and skinning. Backward compatibility and DVD storage allowed bigger texture sets. It was the "versatile star"—hard to master but capable of breathtaking results in skilled hands, mirroring PS2's broad success.

GameCube (ATI Flipper GPU @ 162 MHz, Gekko CPU @ 486 MHz, 24 MB fast 1T-SRAM)​

• Execution: Clean, vibrant, and "polished toy-like" with excellent anti-aliasing and texture clarity on its mini-discs. Harlow's portrait would emphasize smooth curves, bright saturated colors, and precise lighting—great normal mapping or cel-shading alternatives for a stylized yet detailed glamour shot. Fast embedded RAM helps with low-latency effects, making fabric folds and hair flow naturally. Might feel more "family-portrait" charming than gritty realism.
• Why? Flipper was efficient with its unified memory architecture and strong fill rate for its time, optimized for Nintendo's colorful, accessible style. The Gekko CPU aided physics/animation. It punched above its weight in first-party optimized titles but had smaller disc capacity and less raw horsepower for ultra-complex scenes compared to rivals.

Xbox (Nvidia NV2A GPU @ 233 MHz, Pentium III @ 733 MHz, 64 MB unified DDR RAM + 8 GB HDD)​

• Execution: The most "high-fidelity" and PC-like, with superior polygon counts, better shaders, higher resolutions (up to 720p/1080i), and advanced lighting/texture filtering. Harlow would appear with photorealistic skin subsurface scattering approximations, detailed specular highlights on her hair/dress, and complex environments without as much pop-in or simplification. Smoother frame rates in demanding scenes thanks to raw power and HDD caching.
• Why? DirectX-derived architecture and GeForce 3-based GPU brought more modern PC graphics features (pixel/vertex shaders) to consoles. Unified memory and HDD reduced bottlenecks. It was the "powerhouse newcomer"—bulkier but capable of blockbuster visuals, especially in multiplats, though it might over-render and feel less "dreamy" than the others.

Overall: The Xbox would deliver the sharpest, most detailed "photograph," PS2 the most artistic and versatile interpretation, GameCube the cleanest and most approachable charm, and Dreamcast the most pioneering/efficient flair. Differences stem from GPU architectures (e.g., tile-based vs. traditional rendering), memory bandwidth, storage speed, and developer optimization—much like how film studios in Harlow's era varied in lighting tech, film stock, and directorial style. In a real multi-platform game, ports would adapt: Xbox version highest res, PS2 most effects variety, etc.

 

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That's what I hate about gamers. They love to bitch while watching people enjoy gaming. Just out of nowhere.

You sure these people aren’t just Redditors?

 

[The Foxtrot]

I knew people who choose either Playstation or X-Box over GameCube solely for its reputation as a console for kids.

Which is honestly weird in hindsight because the GameCube wasn't really a "kid's console" like the Wii and N64 were, it had plenty of M-rated titles*, including, BloodRayne and most of the entire Resident Evil series up to that point. Shoot, most of the titles that released on Gamecube were ones I enjoyed on the PS2 (Hitman 2, the Splinter Cell games, etc.).

Frankly I'd say that the Gamecube was the last time that Nintendo really experimented with their hardware and first party stuff. Even though the Switch has ports from other consoles/PC of M-rated games, I think it's safe to say Nintendo embraced being "family friendly" in the Wii era and never looked back.


*back when games that got an M-rating actually had shit you didn't want kids to see, unlike nowadays where an M-rating comes from just not being kiddyshit.

 

[The Last Stand]

You sure these people aren’t just Redditors?

Same thing.

More people bought the original Xbox over the Gamecube. Both Xbox and Gamecube combined barely equal 1/3rd of the PS2's sales. The Gamecube might have been a more technologically impressive console, but I remember knowing only one kid that had one, while everyone had a PS2.

I wasn't talking about sales, I was pondering about raw technological power. Of course developers would take the efficient route to just make one size fits all builds for each possible console.

But you understood the metaphor.

Or rather, I get it.

 

[Ibanez RG 350EX]

That goes into how efficient the GameCube was under the hood compared to its competition. I take it Nintendo learned their lesson from the N64.

It's less a matter of the efficiency of the hardware itself and more that, compared to the PS2, its architecture and behavior maps better to the capabilities of modern PCs. If you can't leverage hardware acceleration, good performance is going to be near impossible.

 

[demicolon]

Which is honestly weird in hindsight because the GameCube wasn't really a "kid's console" like the Wii and N64 were, it had plenty of M-rated titles*, including, BloodRayne and most of the entire Resident Evil series up to that point.

3D graphics improvements made people pay more money for a graphic card and lose nerves trying to make it work with the PC port than they'd spend on buying the fucking console and game combined. GameCube has interesting games but back then people wanted realistic visuals and grit, not candy-gay Mario jumping on Luigi's dick while Princess Toadstool sits in the cuck chair. Even Metroid looked too colourful and plastic despite being one of the best games ever made.