Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

Ignoring how retarded this take is, they continue advertising it in later chapters so this excuse doesn't work.
I would put the plushie in the corner of the screen for an entire chapter as a very funny "in-joke" amongst my less-than-masculine peers, but really it's just a ploy to condition my estrogenized fanbase to buy it.


yeah it's a bit much after chapter 3
 
hese aren’t deep characters. In fact, I’d say they’re barely characters, they only have slightly more characterization than your typical enemies. You can describe all of them in a sentence, and even that might be too much.
They're blatant self-insert OCs, of course they're one-note. Chapter 5 is not only offensively gay and mean towards the player, it also features blatant grooming in the form of Ralsei. He's a traumatized, lonely boy who the gayer Flowe(r)y convinces that he's no longer a guy, despite having a male voice, male mannerisms and looks. You know, a vulnerable teenager at his lowest. This is played as a joke at best, or shown without a shred of irony at worst.
It works since Rals starts using "they" after that scene.
 
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Just so everyone knows, Ralsei doesn't explicitly go by "they" later in Chapter 5. He's just referred to by "they" in his Dark Vine title description and by Asgore. This doesn't necessarily mean much since characters sometimes get called by "they" even when they have a known gender. Lancer refers to Noelle by "them" in Chapter 2 for instance. Asgore actually refers to Ralsei by masculine pronouns in the Japanese version of his lines, and since those are checked over by Toby he should have said something if the use of "them" in the English lines was meant to mean something.
 
There's a lot of chapter 5 shitposts on this reupload of a shitpost

According to the comments this was the song onionsan heard
 
Just so everyone knows, Ralsei doesn't explicitly go by "they" later in Chapter 5. He's just referred to by "they" in his Dark Vine title description and by Asgore. This doesn't necessarily mean much since characters sometimes get called by "they" even when they have a known gender. Lancer refers to Noelle by "them" in Chapter 2 for instance. Asgore actually refers to Ralsei by masculine pronouns in the Japanese version of his lines, and since those are checked over by Toby he should have said something if the use of "them" in the English lines was meant to mean something.
Speaking of the japanese version, does anyone know what type of pronouns the JP translators use for Kris?
 
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=9e7zKqQsUMg>doesn't like Chapter 5
>married to a man
>racist thumbnail being irreverent to Saint Floyd

I found the Youtube channel of @Gay Sex Enjoyer.

Just kidding. Enjoyer wouldn't make the mistake of thinking that Mettaton is possessing the Mew Mew doll.
Deltafags are already upset about it lol.


The comments are intresting in that half of them are "Deltarune was always thuper heccin holesome you bigots." It seems a lot of these people don't seem to understand the appeal undertale and deltarune have beyond fag shit being plastered everywhere because fagshit is the only thing they care about them to begin with.

They genuinely seem to be unable to fathom why anyone would play deltarune if it wasn't nonstop faggotry/tumblr. The irony is that these are the same people who primarily complain about media literacy.
 
Deltafags are already upset about it lol.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=JNyV3Dw8TOI
The comments are intresting in that half of them are "Deltarune was always thuper heccin holesome you bigots." It seems a lot of these people don't seem to understand the appeal undertale and deltarune have beyond fag shit being plastered everywhere because fagshit is the only thing they care about them to begin with.

They genuinely seem to be unable to fathom why anyone would play deltarune if it wasn't nonstop faggotry/tumblr. The irony is that these are the same people who primarily complain about media literacy.
You know the fandom's cooked when the only sensible people outside this thread are a brony and a furfag


FennekinFox please save us. Please save us FennekinFox
 
Deltafags are already upset about it lol.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=JNyV3Dw8TOI
The comments are intresting in that half of them are "Deltarune was always thuper heccin holesome you bigots." It seems a lot of these people don't seem to understand the appeal undertale and deltarune have beyond fag shit being plastered everywhere because fagshit is the only thing they care about them to begin with.

They genuinely seem to be unable to fathom why anyone would play deltarune if it wasn't nonstop faggotry/tumblr. The irony is that these are the same people who primarily complain about media literacy.
Same faggot that made a response video to Fennekin's video on his gripes with Ch. 2.

They genuinely seem to be unable to fathom why anyone would play deltarune if it wasn't nonstop faggotry/tumblr. The irony is that these are the same people who primarily complain about media literacy.
This shit really drives me up a tree and it's retards like these that actively degrade art as a whole. We can't enjoy or appreciate a piece of art for what it is despite some themes or messages we might disagree with, no it's culture war shitflinging where either we fully agree with the messaging of being faggotcore or we're supposed to naziHATE it, no inbetweens.
 
After half a decade of seething at Toby Fox he's finally released a shit chapter and it's all been worth it👍
 
And yeah, I know: he and Blue are gay for each other. Whatever, it didn't bother me. They don't dwell on it, I know Blue's all "love love love" but the game doesn't go out of its way to go "look, it's TWO DUDES in love, you see that, it's not a boy and a girl but TWO DUDES how PROGRESSIVE, this is the future!" No. Like yeah, they're each other's romantic interests, but it doesn't go on and on about how GAY it is oh how beautiful--no, they're just gay.
A gay nigger in a tutu talking about how much he loves his gay lover in every other line of dialogue that you're repeatedly forced to interact with throughout the whole chapter and are constantly reminded that they are gay lovers is not "the game going out of its way" in your mind?

It LITERALLY goes on and on and on and on and on and literally every single time they're on screen they talk about how gay they are and how much they love one another throughout the entire main quest.

Like wtf is your standard for "too far", full blown on screen sodomy finishing with an anal creampie, a rimjob and swaping cum in a kiss?

Or is that also "not in your face" because its only 1080p instead of 4k?
 
A gay nigger in a tutu talking about how much he loves his gay lover in every other line of dialogue that you're repeatedly forced to interact with throughout the whole chapter and are constantly reminded that they are gay lovers is not "the game going out of its way" in your mind?

It LITERALLY goes on and on and on and on and on and literally every single time they're on screen they talk about how gay they are and how much they love one another throughout the entire main quest.

Like wtf is your standard for "too far", full blown on screen sodomy finishing with an anal creampie, a rimjob and swaping cum in a kiss?

Or is that also "not in your face" because its only 1080p instead of 4k?
He obviously means that while them being lovers is front and center, and it doesn't make any point of them both being guys. Like if you changed Blue to a woman the only thing that would actually change is the visuals; the dialogue would be the same outside some he's getting changed to she's.
 
He obviously means that while them being lovers is front and center, and it doesn't make any point of them both being guys.
"He obviously means that while them being crossdressing gay lovers is front and center, it doesn't make any point of them both being crossdressing gay lovers appart from it being front and center that they are crossdressing gay lovers and constantly reminding you that they are crossdressing gay lovers."

Refer to my earlier question:
Like wtf is your standard for "too far", full blown on screen sodomy finishing with an anal creampie, a rimjob and swaping cum in a kiss?
Is this the standard for too far now? (As long as its in 4k)
Like if you changed Blue to a woman the only thing that would actually change is the visuals; the dialogue would be the same outside some he's getting changed to she's.
Yeah dude, and if you rewrote romeo and juliet so juliet is actually a man, but kept ALL the dialogue identical except the pronouns, the only thing that would change is also the visuals. Would you also call that subtle? This is literally the biggest example of "If my aunt had wheels she'd be a wagon" I've ever seen.
 
I find these comparisons to sometimes be vague, and sometimes striking; however, I feel like the two figures share similar elusively. Enoch is found everywhere in the Bible much in the same way W.D. Gaster is found throughout Undertale and Deltarune. They partially define their medium and inspire it. The primary difference is that Enoch paves the way for Christ and acts as a grand metaphor for the prophets to come, whereas W.D. Gaster remains alone and acts of his own accord.
Honestly I'm down to reading an analysis on Deltarune and Christian esotericism that's not from a troon
LADIES AND GENTLE[KRIS], AFTER [3, 3, yes 3! HOT sales$$$!] YEARS - I HAVE C0ME TO ELABORATE 0N TH3 [insane in the membrane!] POST. To those wondering about the relation of this post to the canon of Deltarune, or those asking "was this Toby's actual intention? Is this what he thought when making Deltarune?" I have one thing to say...

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I DON'T GIVE A [%@#!$] ABOUT WHAT'S [totally real] CANON OR WHAT THE [screwed pooch] THINKS - My analysis is meant to add subtext to the entire game and provide an unintended thematic undercurrent, or allegory, to the project. If Toby Fox likely had 0 idea about any of this, then it doesn't matter.

Deltarune is an elaborate allegory of religious mysticism and Biblical prophesy. It is not a one to one retelling, but is rather an expansion on apocryphal (or literally hidden) thematic elements from Scripture and extracanonical Scripture. W.D. Gaster is an allegorical retelling of one of two figures, depending entirely on if he is the good guy or the bad guy. He is either an allegory for Enoch, who existed before the Flood (and in the case of Deltarune, W.D. Gaster existed immediately after the genesis of Deltarune as a concept), or is an allegory for the Beast from Revelation. A Critical note here, as we know for certain by now, is that W.D. Gaster is not all powerful (as he can't stop us from seeing the egg man). This corresponds to the fact that neither Enoch or the Beast are all powerful, but are both agents for entities more powerful than themselves [in the case of Enoch, literally God, or the Beast working for Satan (who is also not all powerful)]. I would wager that at this time, both allegories are equally true as we don't have an ending to sway one way or the other.

From the Undertale Wiki;
  • Gaster is heavily associated with the Number of the Beast (666), repeating 6s, or the number 6 in general.
    • Gaster's typeface value in Entry Number Seventeen is 666.
    • Gaster's unused battle stats found through datamining are all repeating 6s.
    • All Fun Value events directly related to Gaster are within the 60s range.
      • The fake hallway in Waterfall, and the Mystery Man's room by extension, is accessible when the Fun Value is 66; the value's only possible number with repeating 6s. This may suggest the figure has a strong connection to Gaster, or may truely be his actual appearance.
Additionally, Entry #17, which Gaster wrote of the Dark World experiments had its soundclip used for the Bunker's ambient music (a now well known fact). This is also the "garbage noise" which is heard if Kris uses his phone in the dark world, or which I SPAMTON G. SPAMTON HEARD AFTER TALKING TO THAT [5,000 CHANNELS AND NOTHING TO WATCH] TV. See the attached video clip as proof -

It's evident that W.D. Gaster has a unique connection to the number 6 (along with the goners), the biblical number of curses and associated with the Beast from Revelataion. This alone seems like good evidence that he is a malevolent entity trying to ruin things for everyone. Furthermore, if we look at what the Beast from Revelation actually does, the comparison becomes more striking.

Segments of Revelation 13, from the Vulgate;
1 Et vidi de mari bestiam ascendentem habentem capita septem, et cornua decem, et super cornua ejus decem diademata, et super capita ejus nomina blasphemiae.
2 Et bestia, quam vidi, similis erat pardo, et pedes ejus sicut pedes ursi, et os ejus sicut os leonis. Et dedit illi draco virtutem suam, et potestatem magnam.
3 Et vidi unum de capitibus suis quasi occisum in mortem: et plaga mortis ejus curata est. Et admirata est universa terra post bestiam.
4 Et adoraverunt draconem, qui dedit potestatem bestiae: et adoraverunt bestiam, dicentes: Quis similis bestiae? et quis poterit pugnare cum ea?

15 Et datum est illi ut daret spiritum imagini bestiae, et ut loquatur imago bestiae: et faciat ut quicumque non adoraverint imaginem bestiae, occidantur.
16 Et faciet omnes pusillos, et magnos, et divites, et pauperes, et liberos, et servos habere caracterem in dextera manu sua, aut in frontibus suis:
17 et nequis possit emere, aut vendere, nisi qui habet caracterem, aut nomen bestiae, aut numerum nominis ejus.
18 Hic sapientia est. Qui habet intellectum, computet numerum bestiae. Numerus enim hominis est: et numerus ejus sexcenti sexaginta sex.

Which translates into;
1 Then I saw a beast emerge from the sea: it had seven heads and ten horns, with a coronet on each of its ten horns, and its heads were marked with blasphemous titles.

2 I saw that the beast was like a leopard, with paws like a bear and a mouth like a lion; the dragon had handed over to it his own power and his throne and his immense authority.

3 I saw that one of its heads seemed to have had a fatal wound but that this deadly injury had healed and the whole world had marvelled and followed the beast.

4 They prostrated themselves in front of the dragon because he had given the beast his authority; and they prostrated themselves in front of the beast, saying, 'Who can compare with the beast? Who can fight against it?'
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15 It was allowed to breathe life into this statue, so that the statue of the beast was able to speak, and to have anyone who refused to worship the statue of the beast put to death.

16 It compelled everyone -- small and great alike, rich and poor, slave and citizen -- to be branded on the right hand or on the forehead,

17 and made it illegal for anyone to buy or sell anything unless he had been branded with the name of the beast or with the number of its name.

18 There is need for shrewdness here: anyone clever may interpret the number of the beast: it is the number of a human being, the number 666.
Some critical notes here. For one, the Beast emerges from the sea. This can be interpreted in light of Chapter 5 in several different ways. One, that in Undertale, the Core's molten mass is comparable to a sea since Gaster fell into his creation. However, I don't believe this to be the correct reading and interpretation of the passage and Gaster's relation to it. That second, the Lake is the sea in which he arises from. This is more sound, and I believe to be true in a sense. Onionsan hears a "song" coming from the bottom of the lake (I refer you to this post which adds additional context involving the River Person.) I infer that this old song might be Don't Forget, but it is also possible that it is Gaster's Theme.

This also ties the River Person back into everything being mentioned, and mind you, he is the one who spoke these infamous words;

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The third distinct possibility, and this is my favorite interpretation as it isn't a literal take on the word sea. Rather, the ocean which Gaster emerges from is the ocean of darkness. Afterall, it is darkest not in deep space, but at the bottom of the ocean/lake. It cannot get darker on Earth, scienifically speaking, when you are burried under so much water. The darkness in the dark worlds also act as a firmament [more on that later] of sorts, behaving in some ways to smoke and some ways to water (as seen in Chapter 2's ending when a Dark World is made). Therefore, Gaster emerges from the deepest dark, an ocean of darkness, corresponding to both a literal body of water and a metaphorical one (shadow, which sinks below the light like water).

Another critical note to make is that the Beast with 7 Heads (Seven Chapters?) will mark on the forehead or the right hand its mark, which is 666. Curiously, during Chapter 5, FRIEND bites Kris' hand and marks him for death similar to ME. Kris also is speculated to lose his hand in the story, which may or may not be his right hand. This all depends on if FRIEND is working for or against Gaster, so this evidence can go in either category. But there is a means of marking on the hand within the story by an otherworldly and demonic figure.

Lastly, the actual number 666 is not the number of Satan, unlike what most people believe. Instead, the Dragon (Satan), empowers the Beast and it is the number of the Beast. Therefore, the Goners can be said to be the agents of the Beast in this theory, with Gaster himself being the Beast. From all of this we can interpret the story of Deltarune as the story of an evil scientist, who is allegorically the Beast from Revelation, trying to bring about the end of the world for his own amusement. That he desires total power and control, and that inorder to get the good ending, we have to subvert his control.

As a side note, with NormalNPC cookin' up Onionsan and feeding him to us, his association with Gaster as a Gonner is not unnoticed and plays into this interpretation nicely.

I have my problems with this interpretation of the story that Gaster is a villian, and so in this next segment I will explore the opposite theory, that Gaster is actually an allegory of Enoch and is a hero in the story.

Thematically, Gaster is a hidden character. He is in the background of the story even when it is alluded to that he is the one speaking to us during the end of Chapter 4, during the Knight Fight, and in the beginning of the Survey_Program. Whereas the Beast is very forward and front and center, Enoch is not. He is referrenced twice, and is unheard of again. You have to actually read the Book of Enoch, which has dubious connections to Scripture (but has passages which ARE Scripture) to get a glimpse into him.

Besides the two figures being incredibly similar in comparison, both being an easter egg hunt in their own right which you have to connect the dots to figure out, if Gaster was the beast it wouldn't make sense within the lens of the prophecy as we understand it. Three Heroes gather together to banish the Angel's Heaven. This same Angel which in the Undertale version told by Gerson would free everyone from the Underground?

We could make the claim that this Angel is akin to Satan. To Quote II Corinthians 11:14;
14 Et non mirum: ipse enim Satanas transfigurat se in angelum lucis.
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14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
However, this still wouldn't make sense for two reasons. One, we are the Angel. Yes we can be either good or bad, but metaphorically, banishing an Angel has the implication of defying Heaven. This would be Satanic and akin to the Beast. Two, Gaster doesn't want the prophesy to succeed in a way. He is extremely curious to see if we can break it successfully. He encourages us to defeat the Knight, which is seemingly impossible. Breaking the game is his whole schtick, and we even see an old console screen at the end of the Chapter 5 Weird Route. It's clear we are progressing towards Gaster in some way!

To make some additional notes, Gaster is as much associated with the number 7 as he is 6 (insert 6-7 joke here). Seven being the antithetical number to 6 in Biblical numerology. Seven Chapters, Seven Flowers, Seven Souls, Going through a full week in Seven Days, etc. Granted the Beast has seven heads, but this is still an open question. Enoch, having been taken by God, and living a fitting number of years (365), would be associated with the number seven too. Notably, the Book of Enoch is the only Apocraphyal book to name the Seven Archangels (with the Book of Tobit only naming St. Raphael the Archangel, one of the Seven to stand before the throne of God).

It would be amiss if I didn't mention the opposite water connotations within Deltarune as well. Notably, Raise Up Your Bat references the Biblical Ark in the lyrics;

Come follow me into the dark
With your heart as the ark
Which shall shine you the way
Because I'm with you in the dark
With your heart as my mark
Which shall guide you the way,
through the waves

Enoch, as a figure, lived before the Deluge occured, but witnessed the horrors of the Nephilim on Earth (we could say FRIEND, the horrors within the Dark Worlds could compare). The flood wiped out this evil. Since our heart is the literal ark which carries Noelle across the waves of the lake, I find it interesting that the mystery man who speaks in hands (a forgotten Computer language that isn't used anymore, much like how Enoch spoke the proto-language of Adam before the Tower of Babel) is the one who is intimately linked to Dess and the mystery of Deltarune. As an additional note, Wing Dings truly could be looked at as a proto-language of sorts since it is so mysterious, old and foundational to internet culture, another running theme of the game. Hell, 2/3rds of language is communicated non-verbally, so speaking in hands is literally a proto-language.

"But what about the Egg man? He's clearly a good guy and Gaster considers him a threat since he says you have issues if you find the eggs." Well that's curious as now that we know that FRIEND is hunting people who collects "protein" aka EGGS, it would be an issue if you found an egg since the most demonic character in the game is after you now. If Gaster is an Enochian character, and is a good guy, yes he would consider it an issue if an agent of hell was after you. We have no way of saying for certain if FRIEND is for or against Gaster, but FRIEND is certainly a villian. One might even liken him to the Beast, also because there are multiple FRIENDS.

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"But if Gaster is a good guy and is supposed to be an allegory of Enoch, how can he be linked to the number of the Beast? Doesn't that put a major hole in this theory?" Not necessarily. You see, dear reader, there is a noted passage also in Revelation (Revelation 11) about the Two Witnesses. It is widely speculated that these two witnesses are Enoch and Elijah who will return from Heaven to speak of the end of the world. At this time, there are only two sprites of what we know for certain to be two different characters speaking in Wing Dings.

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The sprite (for many reasons, I'll just relink this video here) is almost certainly of Grampa Semi, another character which like W.D. Gaster is a skeleton who speaks in a different font. The font being spoken of by this sprite is also speaking in Uppercase Wing Dings, as opposed to Gaster's lower case. I would wager as well that Grandpa Semi, being literally the forgotten man of Undertale, is the Man Behind the Tree. These two are the two hidden witnesses who want to change the prophesy and undo the evil in the world.

To link to Symbol of the Chud's correct theory that Susie is actually evil and warping the timeline/prophesy somehow, I find it curious that she is a literal DRAGON - as in if we are to say Gaster's Mark of the Beast number has signifigance symbolically, then Susie being a literal DRAGON has to convey something as well, no? I do not think that she's allegorically Satan in the story, as she is (as I said before) more like a Porky to Kris' Ness. However, I do fully subscribe to the theory that we need to defeat Susie to gain the good ending.

If one subscribes to this interpretation of Gaster, the story is as follows: Gaster, being the Royal Scientist, was assumed into his creation. This creation speculated being the CORE, but is more likely the deepest dark beyond Undertale and Deltarune. He (along with Grandpa Semi) is trying to assist us, the Angel, to subvert the prophesy and bring about the good ending of the game. That we need to undo the influence of the Dragon and bring about the correct ending of the game, be it through the Weird Route of the Normal Route with extra steps.

With these theories being weighed seperately, I leave it to you all to pick which one is most fitting for your brand of autism. However, I am not finished. There is more esotericism which is somehow more compelling to examine with regards to what Dark Worlds actually are, and the interesting notes I have on water symbolism.

As I noted above, water and darkness are conjoined in a special way. The darkest places on Earth are underwater, and darkness even acts like water and gas/mist. Within Biblical scholarship, water has always been understood as a symbol of primordial Chaos. When God made the world, he split the waters of the world into different sections. The firmament, the upper seas (being Space), normal oceans on Earth, the FOUNTAINS of the Deep, the Pillars of Earth (with Sheol in the center of the Earth), and critically, Tehom (literally "the abyss") or the Great Deep. The Great Deep being the primordial ocean as it existed in the days before land. A deep which the Leviathian inhabited, who God slayed to create land. A deep with no light reaching its depths. See the image attached.

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Now we can conclude with near certainty that the Greatest Fountain which is alluded to in Roots is underneath the town in the Lake. That much is agreed upon by many people after the Weird Route in Chapter 5. That all other fountains in Hometown are akin to the Fountains of the Deep, drawing up darkness from this greater deep. It is therefore incredibly fitting that one would have to take a sharp object and pierce the ground to draw up a spring of darkness from this Great Deep. This is something which non-biblical esoteric traditions draw upon as well. Magic Circles, notably, sometimes require one to concentrate their will and pierce the ground with their hands or an object to draw upon unseen powers.

Water is most prominently shown in Chapter 4 with the fountains of Holy Water, and moreso in Chapter 5. A symbolic note here is that Susie holds Noelle above the waters, but Kris and Noelle go into the waters. I don't think anyone else called this to mind. But what someone has called to mind, which sparked my interest, is that the Weird Route scene is very striking in its imagery in being baptismal, in a sense. Noelle (who already has a lot of Christian symbolism surrounding her, noted by other posts on this thread), leads you, the player, into the waters. You are the one who has to urge her to going further. In doing so, you are both submerged (with an Angel mind you) and end up coming out the bottom at the end.

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In Baptism, one enters into darkness and chaos, seeing judgement and death, before being plucked from the waters and entering into a new life which one cannot revoke. Since Baptism is a Sacrament, that means it can never be undone and must be a concious, willing decision between the two parties. Now of course the Lake Scene isn't a literal baptism. Noelle never gives the forumla for it nor do we, but this is definitely a symbolic baptism in which we cannot undo. There's no turning back. After entering the waters, you now have to face things beyond an earthly understanding.

Along with being manifestations of the Great Deep (or Deepest Dark), Dark Worlds are incredibly curious. They are an allegory for escapism, but decisions made within Dark Worlds carry over to Light Worlds. They are real in a way that signifies that what's going on isn't just that Kris and Susie are playing with toys. No, because the Eggs prove that the Dark Worlds can influence the Light World. Additionally, the Roaring can ONLY come about through Dark Worlds, which will destroy the light world as well. If the Dark World is just literally turning off the lights, how can lightners turn to stone through the roaring when they can, oh I don't know, GO OUTSIDE OR TURN ON A FLASHLIGHT?

Additionally, light sources still work in Dark Worlds, implying they are more than a literal darkenss. They altar space and time, such as the closet's space. The sun within the Chapter 5 Dark World are the seven lamps Asgore has inside his shop. Clearly, they still work fine if there's a giant sun in the dark world. This would imply that they were on during the chapter. How can a Dark World exist where the lights were turned on? Because the darkenss is a primordial, mystical type of darkness, which manifests itself as a literal physical object which permiates the space around it.

Even the Black Shards and Shadow Crystals function identically between worlds. The Shadow Crystals allow you to see into unseen realities (much like a Seer Stone). How would it retain this ability in the light world if the dark world didn't matter? Really, the ability to interact with inanimate objects and project will/being onto them is esoteric in its own right. While Dark Worlds are a type of escapism, as they need a light world to exist, the two worlds require one another. Reality without Fantasy is not truly real. The real world is mythic, any wise man can tell you as such.

But we should also mention that the Dark Worlds bring about ideas, concepts and realities not well seen in the Light World. They reveal certain truths about the light world we cannot otherwise see. In a way, they are spaces of contemplation, both psychologically and mystically. That is why it is the only place one can obtain Eggs. It is also a realm of reality understood by certain knowers, even though every Lightener can open a fountain.

It is through the Dark Worlds that Sans and Papyrus somehow get transported to a different world altogether. Ralsei says the following about Dark Worlds;
That is the Dark World, Susie.
An alternate view of reality through the lens of shadow.
In other words...
... an illusion.
But clearly it is not merely an illusion, there is something real about it. If it was all an illusion, the Knight and Kris wouldn't be so interested in them. My speculation is that both of these concepts are true simultaneously. That the Darkworld:
  1. Is a place of contemplation, a warping of the view of real spaces and time through the lens of shadow, which affects the real world in mysterious ways which does not depend upon the presence of physical light sources in some cases
  2. A literal dimension brought about through channeling the Deepest Dark within the Great Deep. That it is a dimension of mystical contemplation, which during the Roaring or other as of yet named events, can fundamentally alter the world and transport people to other worlds (a la Sans, Papyrus, Grandpa Semi & Gaster).

I have mentioned it in my other posts, but Kris and Catti tried summoning a demon. I now speculate that rather than Gaster, that demon was FRIEND/ERAM. There is likely way more strange occultic (hidden) elements to this game that I am glancing over. I just find these connections to be incredibly interesting with Symbol of the Chud's theory in mind. W.D. Gaster is a herold of the apocalypse in the game, we are marked for death by FRIEND, and we are soon to see the most esoteric of realities unfold before us in the Great Deep. Perhaps Castle Town itself is drawing its fountain of Pure Darkness from this Great Deep. We must wait to see.

Kris and Noelle are peering beyond the Veil (much like the mystics of the world). Beyond the Firmament and the Deepest Dark to see reality as it is. They've clipped from a false reality into the actual reality of the video game world. There, with the help of an Angel, they might just go to the Empyrean and see the face of whoever is behind this all. They've escaped the Truman Show, now to face the world. We must see where their adventure continues from here.

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I am curious to see what you all think of this. If I have more notes, I will add an amendment to this post. This is likely the longest post on the entire thread. I present it to you all with great affection for Toby Fox's work, knowing that this is extracanonical (as is the origin of these theories).

BUT THAT'S ALL FROM ME, YOUR OLD PAL SPAMTON [Number 1 rated salesman, 1997, 1998 & 2000!!!!!] G. SPAMTON. UNTIL NEXT TIME, WHEN I [skin that %#@! CAT!!!]
 
gaster is a dragon, the devil, the angel of light, the fallen star etc. aka unoriginal cunt who made a shitty, knockoff videogame. i believe most of the egg rooms tell us about this.

ch1 - an "original" starwalker, and a monochrome copy - fallen starwalker with wings. ch3: mancountry reveals us that copies are monochome, while "the original game" is probably an allegory to the old timeline. ch4: roots room has a book that talks about the fallen star, which i believe to be gaster, as from the bitter water glass grew (prophecy panels). chapter 5's egg room reveals nothing, but this is a second time toby appears in close proximity to the room and that must be important.

i think that gaster is an interloper who decided to fuck with deltarune's world, he created the prophecy basing it on the original/old timeline that was initially crafted by the forgotten man. though i can't know if the old timeline that is seen in n3w3s3t_girl is already tampered by gaster as that fucking susie goner is there somehow.

why do people think that soul is the angel? aren't we the one with the BANISH act? it always seemed to me that gaster was set up to be the angel, along with noelle larping/angelmaxxing
 
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