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No it depends on a kind Neo-Donatism and a false idea that a valid ecumenical council can teach heresy. Hieria didn’t have a pope, Vatican II did. Why are we equivocating here?Point being, the position of the SSPX, Sedes, and others that in fact, if not on paper, reject the authority of the current leadership in Rome is entirely dependent on Vatican II being a second Hieria that was unfortunately accepted, if not imposed outright, by the hierarchy.
How about if everyone just says what they mean. Say you think Vatican II is heretical. Say you’ll obey the church when it happens to agree with you. I don’t see the need to give schismatics flowers all the damn time unless you’re one of them, or at least broadly sympathetic. I think all crypto-sedes should just make themselves known so we can figure out who is Catholic and who belongs to a sect that will be ordaining women within our lifetimes.
Quo primum established Pius V’s Missal as a permanent disciplinary norm, not as an irreformable dogma binding every future pope. Its language of perpetuity meant that inferior authorities could not suppress the authorized Missal at will. It did not prevent a later pope, possessing the same supreme legislative authority as Pius V, from promulgating a revised Roman Missal and regulating the use of earlier editions. Therefore Traditionis custodes does not contradict Quo primum merely by restricting the use of the 1962 Missal. Find a source that contradicts me.I think most would agree that appending a decree and outright abrogating it are two very different matters. If nothing else, Clement VIII and Urban VIII acknowledge Quo primum and grant it due respect. Can the same be said for Francis defying it to the letter?
You did not even answer the question. Did Clement VIII and Urban VIII possess the authority to revise the Missal promulgated by St. Pius V. Yes or no.
It doesn’t actually. We understand documents by their authority, and the extent to which their language can affect is constrained by the authority or kind of action being made—or else popes could issue ex cathedra from a plane interview by saying “this is ex cathedra”; your conclusion is absurd and obtuse. The hanging on for dear life to Pope St Pius V is a classic sedevacantist argument btw. Are you a sede?The simply existence of the perpetuity clause makes your explanation regarding discipline completely irrelevant.
No. A disciplinary law can be intended to endure perpetually and still be altered by a later legislator possessing equal or superior authority.If Quo primum is not in fact possible to be held in perpetuity, then St. Pius V is wrong.