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hey look at me, i'm the space shuttle. i'm fat and stupid and i hope you like flying upside down with your ass pointed at the stars because some moron thought strapping payload on the SIDE of a booster was a great idea so that's how i work on purpose

Evan Kor dijo:
either NASA didn't believe you could ignite rocket engines during descent at supersonic speeds(heard that somewhere but don't remember)
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i think you can safely forget that factoid

teriyakiburns dijo:
in practical terms there were only a couple it could actually use. The point of the X-37B, Dream Chaser, and similar small space planes is that they're intended to be able to land from an unpredictable orbit or change their landing zone with relative ease, not be so limited by landing infrastructure as a vertical lander, and be able to land in a more practical spot than the middle of the ocean.
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i mean i believe you but that's objectively pretty gay compared to just jumping out a window like yuri

how about we (a) don't fuck up the orbits, or (b) put an outboard motor and a margarita machine on the capsules instead

mindlessobserver dijo:
My military autist brain see's the potential of Starship of making Space Marines real. Just imagine having a Space Force special forces team that can be delivered anywhere in the planet under an hour.
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yeah but now imagine them doing it in disposable suborbital rocket pods with rivets all over them and a skull on the door instead of a dumb-looking chubby shortbus
 
Hatewerfer dijo:
Have they published the expected G forces yet? Might be a rough ride down.
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I haven't seen any information on it anywhere other than just basic information. It's it supposed to be used for science, manufacturing and medical stuff so I would imagine if the G forces were high then it runs the potential of damaging the expensive shit inside. Although there is speculation that Starfall could be used to drop equipment for US special forces in hard to reach or covert operations. Also could be used maybe to deploy drones and ROVs and have the capsule be a star link hub for reconnaissance or attacks behind enemy lines maybe. Military equipment usually is pretty sturdy but I reckon that some sensitive electronics and weapon systems could be damaged from high Gs.
 
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57 years ago today fuck yeah god bless america
 
Spooky Space Kook dijo:
Space Planes are probably the coolest space vehicle and it's super lame we don't see them being used.
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I seriously dont understand how we havent developed a 5-10 person lifting body design. Dreamchaser is close but its cargo only. They had the damn concept near developed in the mid 1960s with Dynasoar.

Seems like it would be a no brainer over having capsules splash down in the ocean and all the associated logistics to recover that v just landing at an airstrip. Buran proved you can throw a small jet engine or two on one take it into space and land the thing remotely using 1980s soviet computing and hardware.
 
74164978231 dijo:
I seriously dont understand how we havent developed a 5-10 person lifting body design. Dreamchaser is close but its cargo only. They had the damn concept near developed in the mid 1960s with Dynasoar.

Seems like it would be a no brainer over having capsules splash down in the ocean and all the associated logistics to recover that v just landing at an airstrip. Buran proved you can throw a small jet engine or two on one take it into space and land the thing remotely using 1980s soviet computing and hardware.
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Spaceplanes are complex and often times not worthwhile for your intended purpose, they require added mass for the purposes of ground recovery because of a lifting body design [and may also include drogue chutes anyways] and have many other issues pertaining to essentially having to put a plane into orbit. Capsules are relatively simple with them typically being in a conical shape, and they don't have to worry as much about reentry or having to perform a reentry. There is also the very important element of the heatshield of a capsule not being exposed, meaning that it becomes far safer for reentry as it is only exposed during the process of reentry, so if you have an extended period on orbit there is the opportunity for damage [this is less of a risk on say the X-37b because of the orbits it operates on]. Parachutes are also likewise really useful, landings may not always be smooth such as with STS-3 with Columbia. They never did clean out all of the sand/dust from that landing, with some of it coming down during the Columbia disaster.

And no, Buran did not have small jet engines on its flight, nor would any functional orbiters have had them. They were primarily used for the purposes of ground testing.
 
The X-33 was probably the last really awesome space plane (not fully, but close enough) that we'll see of in forever. It's too bad they couldn't get the fuel tanks working and I was so sad when they canceled it.

In the end it really wasn't that much better of a concept I guess than Starship except for being truly SSTO. Starship next launch should be Thursday or Friday they're saying now.
 
Kill Mitts dijo:
how did they even get up there
my nigger buddy who i smoke dabs and do oxxys with doesn't believe the moon AT ALL
hes saying its a hoax and that we're being led on
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He's certainly high enough to be able to speak with authority on the topic.

Truth is, we never went to the moon. We came from the moon. The moon is the exterior of the earth, seen through the distorted lens of a hyperspace event horizon that twists space such that we can see it even though we live on the interior of the hollow earth. It was destroyed in a global nuclear holocaust. The moon missions were a secret survey mission to determine whether it was safe to return to the surface.
 
Some dude hitting golf balls on the moon
Bathroom in his pants
And he thinks he's better than me
I'm pointing a finger at my own face
They can't know what's in here
And they can't keep Johnny down
- They Might be Giants
 
74164978231 dijo:
I seriously dont understand how we havent developed a 5-10 person lifting body design. Dreamchaser is close but its cargo only. They had the damn concept near developed in the mid 1960s with Dynasoar.

Seems like it would be a no brainer over having capsules splash down in the ocean and all the associated logistics to recover that v just landing at an airstrip. Buran proved you can throw a small jet engine or two on one take it into space and land the thing remotely using 1980s soviet computing and hardware.
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the buran had four engines bolted onto it to do atmospheric tests, it was still boosted into space by a multi stage rocket. the biggest issue with space planes is that the entire structure of the aircraft is a parasitic drain on delta-V that serves no purpose during the launch phase and nobody has even begun to figure out how trans-atmosphereic jet propulsion even works beyond scale technology demonstrators. space planes are an insane engineering challenge that we do not really have the technology for

the space shuttle was a total piece of shit and one of the worst engineering failures of the 20th century and was a perfect example of how to fuck yourself in the ass with "risk management" instead of even attempting to reducing risk. they used it for so long that people just got used to doing expensive, retarded, pointless shit out of sheer inertia and when they shut it down after it killed a SECOND set of astronauts boomers were still upset about it because it mattered more to them as a rotten symbol of american exceptionalism than anything it actually stood for in real life. Because everything it actually stands for as a physical symbol is embarrassing hubris and shocking mismanagement
 
once upon a time a thousand years ago I was at Tour Of The Universe at the CN Tower in Toronto
the preshow included trivia questions and other ways to kill time, and so they asked about Neil Armstrong's words on the moon
as a young spergling I felt compelled to specify that there's disputes about if he said "one small step for man" vs "for a man" compared to what got transmitted and the gal leading the tour group improvved a joke to the effect of "that's true, and up here in Canada we value our 'eh' s "
 
god i hope it was fake, because china or whoever eventually landing and making a callout post on their twitter dot com with photos of all the cheese that's actually there will remain the funniest shit for decades
 
big pauper dijo:
the space shuttle was a total piece of shit and one of the worst engineering failures of the 20th century and was a perfect example of how to fuck yourself in the ass with "risk management"
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That, and the original design was compromised by the military making demands on its capabilities that deviated so far from the original spec, it ended up being neither fish nor fowl. Then they pulled out of the programme after those compromises were baked in. Orbiter as originally envisioned would have been mounted on top if its stack rather than the side, and would have been significantly smaller, but the military wanted it to be able to snatch satellites out of orbit and to launch from Vandenberg into a polar orbit, take pictures of soviet infrastructure, then re-enter within 24 hours, which necessitated a huge cargo bay, forcing the adoption of the side-mounted fuel tank and ship-mounted engines.
 
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