Nolan's The Odyssey - Potentially could be epic or an epic flop.

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I'm sure the Achaeans regretted Troy's destruction while they were counting their loot/balls deep in their Trojan slaves. Is this supposed to be some belated GWOT reference?

Modern cinema loves ptsd as a plot device (as long as it's not happening when killing the correct targets) even if anyone involves with the film hasn't has never been near a battlefield, and would sooner believe a woman having ptsd for inconvenient social situation, than a soldier who served in the front line having one.

It's especially ridiculous when it's ptsd from slaughtering people in a siege. Even if we disregard it was a matter of fact that losing a siege was very bad for the defenders, soldiers don't have any sympathy left after a siege, especially one taking years. It's infinitely more likely to get one from seeing you friends slaughtered over months.

 

[Kill Mitts]

Like who the fuck are the big metal giants with tree magic

white man bad thats all you need to know

 

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Shamelessly stolen from the thread on /wsg/, but mother of God my sides are missing.

wtf is going on? this looks like shit. the staging.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

To be fair the sack of Troy being portrayed as being quite brutal and vicious even beyond the standards of the time was a thing in the original texts too and the prominent Greek participants of the siege being punished by the gods in various ways for their conduct during it was one of the major themes. Seeing as how Nolan mostly removed any mention of the gods, Odysseus suffering from overwhelming guilt over it makes sense as the next best thing to convey that.

 

[Two Frogs]

Ellen has had HOW long on steroids? And she still sounds and looks like a small woman. Isn't your voice supposed to drop dramatically in the first few months? There's literally no change for her.

 

[Jace on ice]

Modern cinema loves ptsd as a plot device (as long as it's not happening when killing the correct targets) even if anyone involves with the film hasn't has never been near a battlefield, and would sooner believe a woman having ptsd for inconvenient social situation, than a soldier who served in the front line having one.

It's especially ridiculous when it's ptsd from slaughtering people in a siege. Even if we disregard it was a matter of fact that losing a siege was very bad for the defenders, soldiers don't have any sympathy left after a siege, especially one taking years. It's infinitely more likely to get one from seeing you friends slaughtered over months.

Ancient peoples typically regarded anyone outside of their specific tribe as literally subhuman.

I strongly doubt Gaul barbarians got PTSD.

 

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Isn't your voice supposed to drop dramatically in the first few months? There's literally no change for her.

Schrodinger hag

 

[DAREToResistDrugs]

Shamelessly stolen from the thread on /wsg/, but mother of God my sides are missing.

I'm confused. Why does Epic: The Musical have a better depiction of Odysseus handling the suitors than this movie worth hundreds of millions of dollars?

[SUITOR #6]
Keep your head down, he's aimin' for the torches

[SUITOR #7]
Our weapons, they're missing!

[SUITOR #8]
He's using the darkness to hide his approaches

[SUITOR #9]
We're empty handed, up against an archer
Our only chance is to strike him in the darkness

[SUITOR #10]
We know these halls, the odds can be tilted

[ODYSSEUS, spoken]
You don't think I know my own palace? I built it

The idea that he knows his own home so well after so many years away that he can hunt them all in the dark like a monster is a genuinely clever way to show how he can win against overwhelming odds, shows how far he has fallen to fight like the monsters he has overcome, and reinforces his connection and claim to his home. Swinging a big weapon around in a circle doesn't quite convey the same gravitas.

 

[HowlingChasm]

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The idea that he knows his own home so well after so many years away that he can hunt them all in the dark like a monster is a genuinely clever way to show how he can win against overwhelming odds. Swinging a big weapon around in a circle doesn't quite convey the same gravitas.

@grok how good are IMAX camera for filming in the dark?

IMAX film cameras (the current proprietary 15/70mm or 65mm large-format systems) are not designed for filming in the dark and perform poorly in low-light conditions. They excel at high-resolution, high-dynamic-range image capture in well-lit environments but lack the sensitivity, noise-handling, or electronic amplification that digital cinema cameras use for dark shooting.

Maybe Nolan couldn't film what he wanted so he didn't rewrite?

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

who the fuck are the big metal giants with tree magic?

Trees? These are fucking sticks!

 

[Commander X]

Everything about it is so dark, grayed out and boring, so washed out. I believe filmmakers go for the drabness and darkness in order to hide problems with CGI in post-production. Rather, in an attempt to hide problems with CGI.

 

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Shamelessly stolen from the thread on /wsg/, but mother of God my sides are missing.

Looks like the fight choreographer from the Last Jedi is still finding work.

 

[Totallyunknown]

I may or may not watch this movie if its just really bad as I love a good train wreck.

What I have decided bothers me is using Ellen as part of the boy's crew. Unless shes the Ernest (of the Ernest Goes to.. franchise) of the group - I don't understand why this group of testosterone fueled men would care to socialise with a tiny little pipsqueak man. Perhaps if shes so depraved she is like the serial killer PeeWee Gaskins, I just feel its dubious in a male-coded social structure to adopt what should be like a NPC first killed type.

I think the giant blonde from Game of Thrones would have fit in better. Even keeping her as a woman could have been an interesting twist. This is like the first time Ive felt the idea of troons ruining tomboys and strong butch women.

 

[Gorilla Man]

That's the great part of this movie I have no idea what the hell anything is supposed to be in relation to the epic itself. Like who the fuck are the big metal giants with tree magic?

I think that is supposed to be the Laestrygonians, a race of giant cannibals, who attack odysseus and his boys when they go to their island, and destroy 11 out of 12 ships odysseus had with him
I don't think they are not supposed to look like that
That was probably a design choice made because all of their giant CG budget went to the cyclops

I got the impression they were supposed to look like attack on titan titans

 

[BubbaRobot887]

Peopl stop saying this movie uses CGI, Nolan doesn't use it even when it would make is movie better.

In Dunkirk he wouldn't even use it to expand the crowds so it looks like all those ships came their to save a couple of dozen guys.

One of the reasons this movie cost so much and looks so bad is that Nolan refuses to use computers in any way.

 

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Nolan refuses to use computers in any way.

That includes research?

 

[Dysnomia]

In a word: "No."


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It's like watching a retarded kid bolting on the beach. Somebody grab Ellen before she drowns in the ocean trying to play with the pretty horse.

She doesn't look anything like a man. She looks like a lesbian womanlet. At least she's not in it long enough to get a best supporting actor diversity award.

EDIT: Except he would make everyone speak Ancient Greek.

That just might be the kind of autism we need right now.

 

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“Jeepers creepers” is what I said after seeing some screenrips. IT’S THAT BAD! HOW!? HOW?! not even the woke stuff Christopher simultaneously created the room and a so bad it’s unwatchable. The cyclops is clearly on a green screen the plot is traumadumping like the amazing digital circus, it’s written like the new saints row game FFs

 

[Athena Loves Kiwis]

It was worse for the Greeks as they went through at least two dark ages including the Bronze age collapse. Oldest one came with or during the collapse of Minoan civilization which happened after a major volcano erupted near it.

They say that in popular histories of the Minoans, but they actually endured the volcano and rebuilt and then were conquered by the Mycenaeans.

...no-one takes the Odyssey as a historical record with the importance to the story of the Gods and their supernatural powers.

Historians literally do. The idea that because it has the supernatural, filmmakers don't need to care pisses me off because mythic texts are used as evidence in the study of ancient history all the time for reconstructing things from material culture to religious practice and ritual to the values of the time. Being literarily attested is its own subcategory of historical evidence, even if it is a weaker form. And how can they even use this defense when they are doing the "grounded," I'm-too-sophisticated-for-magic approach?

(if you didn't know, almost all of Minoan art is fake or heavily modified by the father-son team the chief archeologist used to rebuild broken frescoes and statuary to then sell to raise cash for the digs. Same team was also at Troy, which is also probably largely forgeries)

I was once in two different undergraduate history courses at the same time where we looked at the Minoan frescoes and in both I complained to the professors about how they were mostly reconstructed guesswork from a few authentic fragments because the controversies over Arthur Evans' excavations were the only thing I knew about the Minoans at the time other than the volcano and Labyrinth. They both told me basically the same thing, which was that it's true but that this was an intro class and so the students weren't ready for it yet.

Spoiler: Themes and such

Odysseus is le PTSD-riddled vet who legitimately thinks he deserves exile and damnation because of The Trojan Horse. He claims that the destruction of Troy, and especially the way that Troy was des(troy)ed was an offense unto nature, decency and the laws of Zeus. He essentially equates the state of things prior to the Sack of Troy to a mandate of heaven, one shared by the Greek nations and thrown away when they snuck in and killed their enemies. Now that mandate has been violated, the Sea Peoples are invading and destroying Mycenaean/Achaean/Greek civilization.

That's right, your senses do not lie to you. This is one giant liberal guilt fantasy. Substitute white/western civilization with the Achaeans and you'll see it.

Lol. Does Odysseus bring up splattering that infant? Because don't worry, Medievalers saved him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astyanax#Survival

The gods actually do doom the Greeks for their poor behavior at Troy, but it's for sacrilege for defiling their shrines. Neoptolemus kills Priam and Ajax the Lesser rapes Cassandra at the altars where they had sought sanctuary. This violated the rules of hiketeia and brought miasma into sacred places. I see how this wouldn't work with the film's "DEFY THE GODS" theme.

Monty Python had a better grasp of historical knowledge and more respect for the subject of their parodies. An Odyssey from them would have been a delight.

Shakespeare kind of did a parody of the Iliad in Troilus and Cressida. We get things like Thersites making gay jokes about Achilles and Patroclus and summing up the entire Trojan War this way:

Here is such patchery, such juggling, and
such knavery. All the argument is a whore and a
cuckold...

https://www.folger.edu/explore/shakespeares-works/troilus-and-cressida/read/