Movies considered bad, but you unironically like

I mentioned it somewhere else but The Postman movie got panned by critics and a lot of people but I consider it better than the book. In fact the book was honestly a huge disappointment when I read it and the movie is a vast improvement on it. I think the people complaining about it are just mad it didn't have as much action as they wanted and instead it was calmer and slower.

The movie is optimistic and hopeful about the future, it's a post-apocalyptic story set at the very end of the post-apocalypse and you get to see how the world starts to heal. Maybe I like it because it scratches the sort of itch of what you imagine you would do to fix the world, it kinda came across watching someone do a good play-through of Fallout 3 trying to help people or something like that. The book, on the other hand... Well here is my review with spoilers if you care about it:

I just finished The Postman, the one the Kevin Costner movie from 1997 is based on.

Gotta be honest, disappointed with it. Might be one of the rare times a Hollywood movie is superior to the book it is based on. (As a side note, the movie is plenty good and I find the critical backlash to it puzzling. Yet more proof film critics tend to be joyless fuckwads)

The book has a strong start and setting. The first 1/5th of it goes by without any real issues. The writer made a believable post-apocalypse and the setting is vague but enough detail is given to form a picture of how it happened and why things are the way it are. But then things go downhill.

The Cyclops plotline was interesting, seeing as the movie didn't have it. I can see however why Costner dropped it as it didn't really match well with the post apocalypse and in a movie format wouldn't work well. But it feels underexplored and explained. We are also introduced to Dana, the main protagonist love interest who is a feminist with some weird but interesting takes on the pre-Apocalypse from her post-Apocalypse education and life (she thinks men cause it because women failed to properly raise and vet them for society). I would have a problem with this but it isn't developed enough for me to actually get a good grasp on the thing.

The actual "Postman" scenes then sorta disappear as the MC moves to try and stop the bandit horde that is gonna come and destroy his little slice of Oregon that is rebuilding. This opens another issue, as the entire dynamic of him working to establish a postal service and the bluffs gets sidetracked. They find a guy who runs a community who once stopped the bandits, but he doesn't wanna join up because he likes his home and won't leave.

And this is where the book kinda lost me, as the bandits capture the MC and part of his party and try and make them join their Survivalist army. There is some exposition and such but the fact is that by this point it is clear the book is going too fast plotwise while being a bit too weak lore wise compared to the start. We get some background on Nathan Holn who gets blamed with causing the collapse of the USA and again, it feels rushed and badly explained and somewhat reminds me of political strawmanning. The slow but steady construction of the setting is gone, and things quickly escalate towards a final fight that feels less rewarding and interesting than the one in the movie. Also another sci-fi aspect is added in the form of augments which were a thing pre-war and how they survived which feels out of place.

A entire story arc of the love interest happens off-screen and we are literally told about it in a exposition dump by her. It feels like a important piece of the setting and the feminist message which is just tacked on as if the writer forgot about it and decided to rush to make sure it got in. Again, it feels underdeveloped and I can't even criticise it properly because it doesn't feel done.

A real shame. We could have had a really cosy book about rebuilding after the fall but we got a messy mash of plots.
 
I really like Xanadu. Critics and audiences didn't care for it, but I though it was colorful and fun. Some of the middle section drags on a bit but it's so worth it for the final musical scenes when the club opens up and it's showtime. The choreography is superb, the costumes and lighting and set are just the coolest ever, and Olivia Newton-John is at her peak in my opinion. The movie is a loving farewell to classic musicals of old, briding the gap between the analog and digital era. The movie being dated or of its time is precisely what makes it so amazing. I also have never really understood what people mean when they say tacky, corny, or cheesy. If they're used as synonyms for "low quality", then what specifically is low quality? So criticisms of Xanadu being tacky tell me the critic lacks the ability to articulate their opinion properly.

They're genuinely entertaining as long as they don't commit the worst sin of being absolutely boring
Troma films come to mind. I like Class of Nuke Em High, Toxic Avenger, and Combat Shock even though they're technically bad. Other Troma films though are low budget and boring, a fatal combo like you said. Nymphoid Barbarian in Dinosaur Hell is one example of actual trash. Not only is the actress not very hot but nothing happens the entire movie. It's just quiet, muffled empty scenes running around presumably the outskirts of Los Angeles or some place.
My choice for a bad film that I like is Toys
This one is amazing! The rich, vivid colors, the camera framing, the soundtrack (Trevor Horn of The Buggles had some part in it), the costumes, and of course the bizarre plot. My conspiracy side likens it to Wag The Dog, also directed by Barry Levinson, in that it is "revelation of the method" so to speak. The same way Wag The Dog shows how entire wars and news stories are manufactured by intelligence/Hollywood, Toys reveals that the same people running toy companies and defense contracts are cousins. See Blizzard and EA for how literal glowniggers ran these companies, promoting war games to brainwash a generation of kids to be future soldiers (drone operators going by Toys). Trevor Horn being involved only fuels the conspiracy with his career being an endless herald of technological "progress". And it also ties in with Wag The Dog and fake news with the music video Robbin Williams and Joan Cusack do to distract the guards. Pay attention to the lyrics.
 
I know Dune 1984 isn't considered good but I vastly prefer it for its vibe, soundtrack, and the fact it has Brad Dourif. It would have been better if Lynch had more clout at the time. The new ones just don't seem as interesting to me.
Lynch's "Dune" is a classic. He nailed all the visual components. And I've seen all the deleted footage, if Lynch had been given final cut his version would have been definitive.

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"War, Inc." is fucking brilliant. Widely panned, but it's one of my favorite John Cusack films. Joan is hilarious in it too.

"Southland Tales" is awesome, all the critics claimed it was an incoherent mess but it made perfect sense to me. I watched it twice back to back the first time I saw it.
 
Die Hard 4 is bad for a Die Hard film (it lacks the tension of John McClane being trapped in one area that 1 and 2 have) but it's better than 3, and as a Hollywood hacker film, it's really good. The vishing sequences are some of the most accurate depictions of hacking I've ever seen in a film, they basically do what the skiddies in Scattered Spider do, just phone people up and pretend to be someone else and they just give them the passwords. Before that, the last true to life hacking scene I'd seen was The Italian Job (1969!) when Benny Hill smuggles the tape reel in and puts it on the traffic control system. Plus Tim Olyphant and Maggie Q are hot, I'd go unicorn for them two, and Kevin Smith is funny for once in his life.
i quite like die hard 3 the i hate niggers/everybody sign is amazing

i haven't seen 4 or 5 though
 
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

Good movie. Yes, it's nothing like the Alan Moore original. That's a good thing, because Alan Moore sucks.

fite me
Alan Moore DOES suck, but the first two LoEG books were great. I do like the movie for what it is and have my own DVD copy.
However , I would still love to see a more faithful adaptation of the first story arc from the comics.

Also, since I don't know how to multi-quote- Predator 2 is a lot of fun,

Pandorum is a great sci-fi horror that I actually like better than Event Horizon,

The 13th Warrior is fucking AWESOME!
Bulvye's dying speech still gives me goosebumps every time I see it.
 
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Some movies are so bad they're just bad. Killer Klowns from Outer Space (1988) isn't one of them.

It's gloriously ridiculous from start to finish. Alien clowns wrapping people in cotton candy cocoons, popcorn that hatches into monsters, killer shadow puppets, balloon animals that track victims, and pie guns that melt faces. Every idea is somehow more absurd than the last, yet the film commits to every single one without a hint of irony.

What really elevates it is that everyone involved seems to understand exactly what kind of movie they're making. The practical effects are creative, the Klown designs are genuinely memorable, and it's impossible not to have fun watching it.

And then there's the theme song by The Dickies. It's one of those rare movie themes that's every bit as catchy and delightfully unhinged as the film itself. Once you've heard "Killer Klowns... from Outer Space!", it'll be stuck in your head for days.


It's pure B-movie perfection, and one of the best examples of a film that's "so bad it's good."
 
Predator 2 is a great film. Sure, the premise is kind of silly (the alien is "hunting" people... in a city full of people?), but it's very high quality filmmaking. And Danny Glover is great in it.
I know this is not a movie, but I did think the last season of Game of Thrones was considerably consistent with everything that happened in the previous seasons. It did not deserve the hate it got.
The things that happen, plotwise, are mostly fine. (Mostly.) They're just not executed well because everything is rushed.
 
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That Wing Commander movie was okay. Just okay. I've never played the games so when I watched it, it was just a genetic sci-fi movie to me, and it was...okay.

I always thought it was weird that people singled it out as the worst thing ever made.

It had stupid moments but so what. 99% of movies are stupid. The whole medium is built on stupid actions and situations.
Wing Commander is an okay spaceship movie but at the time Wing Commander was VERY well-liked and had a reputation of production values at least on par with direct-to-video scifi, so there was a big tonal whiplash and NOT MUH MANIAC and so forth

I am genuinely surprised to hear that people consider this movie bad. I always assumed people thought it was okay, held together by a pretty good cast and great set pieces, even if the plot wasn't dissimilar to the first one but just transplanted to the city.
my distaste for Predator 2 isn't so much the usual "not muh arnie" but because I had checked out the Dark Horse Comics versions which was a MUCH more gruesome thing based on an earlier version of the movie

Screamers. A mid 90's sci-fi film based on a Phillip K. Dick story. Flopped at the box office, but I really dig dystopian space sci-fi type films. And Peter Weller is also in it (Shout-out to Buckaroo Banzai as well!)
Screamers was dank, watched that with the lads a year or so back and it was nice
 
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