Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

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So, let me get this straight:
The optional superboss of chapter 5 was such a letdown that tony had to add extra OoOoOoOH MYSTERIOUS gastery blastery dialogue to desperately tie it to the bigger Friend shit, right?
Be is aware to the fact that giving people reheated leftovers with the mad mewmew fight was retarded, so he felt the need to spoil part of his super secret plan to keep his fans distracted by the fact that he should have juat made a different boss and updaded the pc version of UT to add mewmew, right?
What a fucking nigger.
Symbol of the Chud dijo:
True (Soulless) Kris outright saying he wants to protect Noelle is a bit of a tell that he does still care a lot about her, even if he's keeping his true feelings hidden.
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I'm not saying I think kris straight up hates her, rather than she's like a sister to him, while Susie is the one he wants to impregnate.
 
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I think that Kris and Noelle are simply good friends that fell apart, and Kris's desire to protect her lines up with that really well.

Susie though? Yeah Kris just straight up has a crush on Susie. Dude is barely keeping it together.
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Bowiotronic dijo:
just in case there was any sliver of doubt, these are unused assets from current chapter, I find highly implausible that we will see any type of kriselle, there's only going to be lesbianism.
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Welp, that settles it. That "Sussie is mindraping everyone" is sadly a theory, as that would imply the heckin' cute lesbian romance is bad, and that can't be tolerated. Reminds me of the mind-control theory from ME3, heh.
At best, we'll get the "we'll get to know each other slowly" lesbo-romance shit, as mentioned here.
Not sure why these sprites were cut, though. Lack of time?
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People expected atleast SOME answers from Asgore, not heckin japanese little weeb adventures.
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I also expected some explanation why Asg was kicked out, not having him repeat the same mistake of Lightyear and essentially have him give up on doing the right thing.
Oh, and Toriel and Sans were white-washed, likely by the troon team as it runs counter to what Toby previously established.

Strangolapreti dijo:
The entirety of chapter 5 was such a letdown that tony had to add extra OoOoOoOH MYSTERIOUS gastery blastery dialogue to desperately tie it to the bigger Friend shit and make it less shit, right?
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Fixed.
The entire chapter is a waste of time.

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Susie though? Yeah Kris just straight up has a crush on Susie. Dude is barely keeping it together.
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Too bad he'll get fuck-all. Toby clearly loathes normal/straight people.
 
Newcomer 42 dijo:
Not sure why these sprites were cut, though. Lack of time?
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There have been a lot of cut Susie x Noelle sprites, actually. All they way back in Ch 2 and then 4 people found out there were more completely finished uwu lesbean sprites, especially from the house section, that were left out for seemingly no reason.

Sappy shit like them cuddling on Noelle's couch and playing bideo gaymes together, stuff like that.

I always assumed that it was Toby's artists going ham and Toby reeling them back because it's not what he was going for and quietly leaving the more over-the-top stuff on the cutting room floor.

If he's planning any kind of twist or unhappy edge to Suselle then going 110% of the "zomg so wholesome" browbeating might undermine it.
 
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Paranoïd troon thinks friend is after xer in real life, afraid for xeir safety after seeing pink&yellow pattern everywhere
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First real IMAGE_FRIEND irl feat (gaster upscale??? friend transphobic???)
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they never stop chasing the target until they're bored... these cats with homophobia...
 
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First real IMAGE_FRIEND irl feat (gaster upscale??? friend transphobic???)
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This is basically a rehash of the memes back when Spamton and FRIEND first showed up a few years ago in chapter 2. Except instead of random images and photos of places it's cancerous vapid photoshoots. A ton of these aren't even int he right color pattern layout to be FRIEND or spamton related.

it was funnier when people would see pink and yellow directly next to each other and/or woody and be like "OH MY GOD FRIEND INSIDE ME"not "I'm not safe and am totally being gangstalked by FRIEND"
 
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Breaking the rules but in less blatant "go fuck yourself" ways that Sans does it. (The whole idea that Sans bled ketchup is a really retarded gag people seem to think would just be pulled on the completely humorless and serious genocide route that has no gags. He's a fucking skeleton anyway, why would cutting him have started making him bleed if it was ketchup? Was he storing it in his bone marrow?)
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It appears that it wasn't ketchup.
 
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IMAGE_Friend routinely lynches niggers and troons. He does so by detecting fatherlessness and or an excess of Estrogen inconsistent with bone density. Tends to cover most cases

He actually didn't mean to target Spamton or Kris at all, but the suicidal tendencies tricked him into thinking he was trooning out. Don't you fret though, he's sure to kill and rape Ralsei soon enough
 
See I never got that. It's established in the lore of both games that monster biology is different from humans and they explicitly do not have blood. They're made of magic and turn to dust when killed. (The determination-pumped-up ones melt.)





...except some do have blood lmao

I can't even brush it aside as "haha Toby made a fucky wucky, what a dummy" because it's simultaneously too big to miss but also too small to be important. He added it to the lore, it's a profoundly easy rule to not forget, and yet he contradicts it both times for seemingly no other reason than "Oooh this moment wold be way more dramatic with blood".

Why?
 
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Gay Sex Enjoyer dijo:
Why?
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I remember seeing this theory that Susie is actually half-human. In the Undertale 10th anniversary livestream Gerson mentions that he was in a relationship with a human, so it's possible that human-monster hybrids do exist. So Susie bleeding could be because she could be half-human. I'm not sure about Sans though, but it supports the Sans is from Deltarune theory because it's possible for them to bleed. I mean at the very least the mechanics could be different, that's just what I've seen online.
 
Maybe you could explain it away with "well certain special kinds of monsters/human-halfbreeds have blood" but that's never mentioned anywhere and even that wouldn't be consistent because 1) Papyrus was a skeleton too and he didn't bleed and 2) Susie and Sans have literally nothing in common biology-wise besides being humanoid-shaped.

She's a lizard anthro and he's fucking bones.
 
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See I never got that. It's established in the lore of both games that monster biology is different from humans and they explicitly do not have blood.





Except some do lmao

I can't even brush it aside as "haha Toby made a fucky wucky, what a dummy" because it's simultaneously too big to miss but also too small to be important. He added it to the lore, it's a profoundly easy rule to not forget, and yet he contradicts it both times for seemingly no other reason than "Oooh this moment wold be way more dramatic with blood".

Why?
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Interestingly, we've never seen any of the human characters bleed either. Even when Kris falls through a glass panel, Susie says that he's bleeding and tries to use a healing spell, but that blood is never shown on a sprite. Is the fact that only Sans and Susie were shown to bleed supposed to be important, or are we schizzing out about this detail a bit too much?
 
Newcomer 42 dijo:
The entire chapter is a waste of time
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Chapter has started to grow on me, but its mainly the facts that tony filled it with stuff, setpieces looked amazing and the gameplay was awesome.

In term of new main characters, Aqua and Flowery were the only ones I truly liked AND had good chemestry with those around them, don't confuse those 2 aspects as one of the same: seth and Green were nothing characters but they worked well around others and, even if you retard enough to say you liked Orange outside of her shadow form, you still gotta admit people around her would just act wrong and break character.

The Fuck squad gets a shelter code in the end so, by technicality, it wasn't a waste but still, its dark world segment is too fucking long, the festival was mostly trash and the real jealously was Kris playing the part of Peter Parker while Noelle played the part of paul.
 
honestly boys I think we can all admit that chapter 5 should be been chapter 4 and vice versa.
 
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