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They do not choose to profit off of the welfare state, they get funneled into it by the government and their appointed handlers.
Because they are actually profoundly disabled. They are the types of people the welfare state is actually for in the first place.
A down syndrome person can still be a useful worker in a production environment with no tax dollars being sent to them.
Wikipedia says 20% of US adults with Down's syndrome do some paid work. Maybe a small percentage of them can work a semi-normal job, at a family business maybe. But I would guess the large majority of them work in sheltered workshops.

I actually worked in a sheltered workshop for the intellectually disabled as an assistant. Not everyone there had downs, but it was easily the most common affliction, maybe half of them? One of the jobs we had them doing was packing screws into bags for a local furniture factory. This was the only external contract we had, until the factory shut down. Of course, they only used the downies to pack screws out of good will for a small portion of their production in the first place, because they worked very slowly and each bag had to be checked individually by the support staff because they made so many mistakes. Many of the downies continued packing screws for years afterwards, even though they didn't get sent anywhere, because it was so hard to find something else that they could actually do.

Another thing we produced was firelighters made out of old newspapers and candle wax. The idea is that the process is divided into very small and simple steps, right? We got old newspapers, removed the staples (most of the downies couldn't do that), sliced them into equal sized strips, rolled them tightly into little rolls (most of the downies couldn't do that), tied a string on them (most of the downies definitely couldn't do that), and dipped them in molten wax (downies could do that, but under supervision because they could easily make a mess. Also it took like 5 seconds per huge batch). My job also included zipping up their trousers after they went to the toilet and cutting up their food at lunch because a lot of them couldn't do that either.

That's even without getting into their work ethic, because guess what; being retarded doesn't inherently make you a reliable or hard worker. Some of the downies would shove a few fistfulls of screws into a bag and then shuffle off to do something else, because work is boring.

The whole business was basically about playing pretend that severely retarded people can do profitable work. In reality, it's all taxpayer funded, and most of the work was done either directly by the support staff, or under constant supervision, by people who had masters degrees in social work. And every time it was mentioned in the newspapers it was made out as if it actually was a profitable business for the disabled, further contributing to the incredibly rosy and unrealistic idea people have about the capabilities of people with Down's syndrome.

Intellectual disability is not a joke, you know. We are talking about people who need velcro shoes because they literally can't learn how to tie a knot. Who have barely any functional language. A small percentage of people with Down's syndrome can do things like stack shelves and mop floors, but for most of them that is actually too difficult for them to do, especially without supervision.
 
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Imagine having to live as a retard.

Imagine every single day you wake up and you know you're different from literally everyone you have ever loved. Imagine being "lucky enough" to be able to understand some things. Ideally you'd be too stupid to understand that you are stupid, but knowing that you are less-than to basically every other living being on this planet would be a horrifying curse. Being unable to do things like feed yourself, dress yourself, fucking go to the bathroom by yourself.

I would want someone to have killed me in the womb than to be forced to live like that. And I mean that sincerely, if I ever get a head injury or dementia I want to be put down painlessly immediately too.
 
Imagine having to live as a retard.

Imagine every single day you wake up and you know you're different from literally everyone you have ever loved. Imagine being "lucky enough" to be able to understand some things. Ideally you'd be too stupid to understand that you are stupid, but knowing that you are less-than to basically every other living being on this planet would be a horrifying curse. Being unable to do things like feed yourself, dress yourself, fucking go to the bathroom by yourself.

I would want someone to have killed me in the womb than to be forced to live like that. And I mean that sincerely, if I ever get a head injury or dementia I want to be put down painlessly immediately too.
And not every single human being is like you. "I wouldn't want to live this way so nobody should" is a retarded (heh) mindset to have. You're supporting the taking of another life because you believe they would not enjoy living. There are plenty of people with even worse conditions who still lived happy lives.
 
And not every single human being is like you. "I wouldn't want to live this way so nobody should" is a retarded (heh) mindset to have. You're supporting the taking of another life because you believe they would not enjoy living. There are plenty of people with even worse conditions who still lived happy lives.
I think you should intentionally get brain damage and then come back to us and tell us how awesome it is being mentally impaired for the rest of your life and being unable to tie your own shoes without help.
 
I think you should intentionally get brain damage and then come back to us and tell us how awesome it is being mentally impaired for the rest of your life and being unable to tie your own shoes without help.
You're doing the exact same thing again but reframing it slightly. "I wouldn't like being thing therefore thing should die". If you want someone to kill you if you get dementia, that's your own choice. Don't force that choice on someone else.

Not to mention, there is a significant difference between being born retarded and becoming retarded through brain damage.
 
You're doing the exact same thing again but reframing it slightly. "I wouldn't like being thing therefore thing should die". If you want someone to kill you if you get dementia, that's your own choice. Don't force that choice on someone else.
So you are asserting that you would be absolutely fine with getting brain damage to the point where your function was reduced to that of a down's syndrome individual, necessitating full-time care even for your bathroom needs? You would want to continue to live despite there being no chance, even an outside miraculous one, of recovering and ever being normal? You wouldn't want someone to immediately mercy-kill you?
 
Wikipedia says 20% of US adults with Down's syndrome do some paid work.
I've looked into it and I will conceed on the stance that they would for certainty be able to find work. I will still say that I wholly disagree with the notion of aborting them even if this part of my reasoning is flawed.
So you are asserting that you would be absolutely fine with getting brain damage to the point where your function was reduced to that of a down's syndrome individual, necessitating full-time care even for your bathroom needs? You would want to continue to live despite there being no chance, even an outside miraculous one, of recovering and ever being normal? You wouldn't want someone to immediately mercy-kill you?
My point is that neither your nor my personal stance on the matter is fucking relevant to aborting a child and that making a judgement for someone else and taking their life because of what YOU think a person who has not even been born wants is idiotic.

With this message in mind, I'd say to your initial post that you probably didn't need to "imagine having to live as a retard" as you clearly already are one, basic reading comprehension seems to elude you.
 
You're refusing to answer a very simple question and resorting to ad hominem. I think you and I both know what your actual intellectually honest answer would be, you just can't say it in front of other people because it would make you look like a hypocrite.
Because the question is not relevant.

>Your personal stance on whether someone's life is worth living is not grounds for murdering them
>"BUT WHAT IS *YOUR* PERSONAL STANCE HUH?"

You're just fundamentally not understanding my argument. Whatever my personal stance is, it isn't relevant because I am not the person being aborted. If I thought that I'd be better off put down in such a situation, that would still not be grounds for aborting someone.

Also, you do not understand what an ad hominem is, an ad hominem would be me saying "You are wrong because you're retarded" which I did not say. I simply used the opportunity to dish out a quick roast to close my post with.
 
I'm fucking asking you directly, it is the only relevant thing I want from you, and you are refusing to answer it. Calling me mean names and refusing to answer a very simple question does not make you the correct one here. It just makes you dishonest.
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I am sincerely questioning whether you're baiting me or you're actually a self-hating retard. If you are baiting, you did a splendid job because I'm MATI right now. For the last father-fucking time IT. DOES. NOT. MATTER. WHAT. MY. STANCE. IS.

It's a retarded bad-faith question that doesn't make any fucking sense to ask. When I say that "One's personal stance is not grounds for taking a human life" I am NOT saying that I am myself a magical authority whose stance does matter. If your stance on whether such a life is worth living does not matter, then neither does fucking mine. Regardless of what I said it would not change a single fucking thing about my argument.
 
Just put the answer to my question in the bag, fry boy.
My answer would simply be: If in whatever accident I might get brain damage, no. I would personally prefer to not be killed no. I would prefer not to have brain damage to begin with but I wouldn't go against the law of God just because living became harder for me. That would be idiotic.

This still does not matter to my argument, and I have no clue why you believe that this is a relevant question to ask when my stance explicitly says that the opinion of oneself does not matter in the decision to take another life.
 
My answer would simply be: If in whatever accident I might get brain damage, no. I would personally prefer to not be killed no. I would prefer not to have brain damage to begin with but I wouldn't go against the law of God just because living became harder for me. That would be idiotic.

This still does not matter to my argument, and I have no clue why you believe that this is a relevant question to ask when my stance explicitly says that the opinion of oneself does not matter in the decision to take another life.
Because it does. It does matter and you refusing to acknowledge that is really interesting.

We can ONLY know how people feel, by basing it off how we ourselves feel. People without empathy cannot understand others, no matter how hard they try. Logic alone cannot point to human answers.

If you can't even acknowledge that it would be an immense amount of suffering to be reduced to the state of an individual with down's syndrome, we actually can't even discuss the same idea. We're just too far apart.

I hope if you ever do get into a life-altering situation that whatever you want to have happen to you does happen regardless of how other people feel about it, though. Not in a mean way either, if you sincerely stand by what you posted I respect that.
 
Because it does. It does matter and you refusing to acknowledge that is really interesting.

We can ONLY know how people feel, by basing it off how we ourselves feel. People without empathy cannot understand others, no matter how hard they try. Logic alone cannot point to human answers.

If you can't even acknowledge that it would be an immense amount of suffering to be reduced to the state of an individual with down's syndrome, we actually can't even discuss the same idea. We're just too far apart.
Yes, but this is not a perfect metric by any means and acting like it is a good enough metric that we can with full certainty know that someone would not want to be alive and making the decision to end their life for them is still retarded. Especially because your stance doesn't even seem hold up in reality (sure, the sample size is small but it still is definitely indicating that things aren't as cut and dry as you make it out to be).
I hope if you ever do get into a life-altering situation that whatever you want to have happen to you does happen regardless of how other people feel about it, though. Not in a mean way either, if you sincerely stand by what you posted I respect that.
Well, I respect yours the same way. In the end, it's your life. All I am saying is that our choices do not matter in relation to the unborn child and the child should not be aborted regardless of what we think.
 
All I am saying is that our choices do not matter in relation to the unborn child and the child should not be aborted regardless of what we think.
I fundamentally disagree with this stance as it directly results in the active generation of more human suffering. However, that seems to be pleasing to whatever evil Deity is in control here, since they cause so much of it, so I can't even complain.

 
I fundamentally disagree with this stance as it directly results in the active generation of more human suffering.
All life will inevitably include suffering, the only logical conclusion to this stance is to be anti-natalist in general. But I personally just do not think that suffering is unequivocally bad and that we ought to live life avoiding suffering at all costs, I find it a very immature spiritual stance.
 
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