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Lolicon/Shotacon Defense Force - The people who jerk off to cartoon children and won't ever shut up about it
"Anti-logic" could either mean he's calling Asmongold an anti or claiming that his thinking is against logic. Either way, completely retarded. And as for Emerald being a gooner faggot, that's just another example of forks being found in the kitchen. Most people who get deep enough into porn addiction will end up with some form of evil fetish, whether it's pedophile, zoophilia, the desire to rape, etc. I guarantee Emerald has some nasty shit rolling through his head, most likely more beyond the lolicon stuff even.
Because lolicons will twist anything you say, you must be very careful with what you say and how you word it. So I will preface with this: #notall lolicons will be attracted to real kids and #notall pedophiles will be attracted to lolis. Sexuality is weird and often inconsistent and nonsensical, so any broad statement will certainly have exceptions.
Nevertheless, this goes both ways. While there are pedophiles who aren't lolicons, there are also pedophiles who are lolicons, and lolicons who are pedophiles. Emerald Apple (AI_EmeraldApple) made a new post on the dr. roach situation and made some very ambitious claims. You can read the whole thing here: https://x.com/AI_EmeraldApple/status/2063620352421642649 / https://archive.ph/Pq1Z6 One of the first claims he makes is that because Japan has a low rate of CSA, that means that lolicon does not have a strong correlation with increased rates of CSA.
"He ignores all the data from the national crime statistics from Japan or the Czech Republic, how Otaku culture is emeshed with loli tropes... or that Japan is lolicon central, and yet has one of the lowest CSA rates."
-@AI_EmeraldApple
This claim is fallacious at best. If you believe that lolicon and pedophilia have 0 correlation, then Japan must have low CSA rates for other reasons. If that's the case, it is possible for lolicon to noticeably increase the rates of CSA, while being suppressed by other factors. It's also possible that lolicon is being used to assuage the appetites of pedophiles.
Also, many "antis" will say that lolicons are (or "are more likely to be") pedophiles, not necessarily that lolicons will (or can) commit CSA. Being a pedophile does not mean you will commit CSA.
In this dissertation from CUNY Academic Works (pun entirely unintended) in 2017 there is a "creative" solution that a participant from Japan used.
"Floyd, who lived in Japan and had access to legal images of what he described as “child models,” used this legal material as a way to keep himself from offending, as explained during this exchange:
AW: Thinking back, has there ever been a specific time when you did something to avoid acting on your attractions?
Floyd: Yes, I would wait until I had full solitary privacy and view legal child model material and masturbate to relieve the energy.
AW: Oh, I see. Did you find that helpful?
Floyd: Yes. I find it useful as a regular means to manage my emotional balance.
AW: Mmhmm. And if another MAP asked you for advice because they were having difficulty avoiding acting on their attractions, what do you think you might tell them to do?
Floyd: If in Japan, I would tell them to do the same, as there is a large range of material available for legal retail sale. If in another country, I would advise them to find something similar, that was legal and did not harm anyone. But I would caution them to find out very specially what is locally regarded as legal and what is not, in order to protect themselves."
Floyd points out that there is "similar" material in other countries, but thinks that it's easier to find in Japan. In the dissertation, Floyd describes his "age of attractions" as 8-12. "The separation of fiction and reality is clearly segmented for healthy adults, and they compartmentalize it just fine."
-@AI_EmeraldApple
This is where things get complicated. Emerald is directly implying that pedophiles cannot distinguish between fiction and reality (or else this point is irrelevant) but I believe the very opposite is true. Finding studies on this is difficult, but you can find research on self-described MAPs, and I think they at least provide evidence that some pedophiles are adept at using fantasy.
(Disclaimer: I did not read these fully as they're quite long, but the parts I am quoting are presented in the same context as the studies. If I made a mistake here please correct me.)
In "Identifying the Coping Strategies of Nonoffending Pedophilic and Hebephilic Individuals From Their Online Forum Posts" (2020) (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8419289/) you can find this in the Results section:
"Lolicon manga or anime material—a genre of Japanese cartoon depicting female children in an erotic or pornographic manner—was also mentioned to be useful by a number of users (the equivalent depicting male children is called shotacon) as were pornographic stories that some had written themselves. However, many users with exclusive pedophilia indicated that they were unable to satisfy their sexual urges using these techniques, with some opting for more inventive ways of coping. One user described a doll they had made from children’s clothing that gave them a sense of companionship and belonging. This example highlighted the need for individuals, in particular those with an exclusive sexual interest, to ease the loneliness they feel, and the difficulties they face in finding safe outlets."
"Masturbation to fantasies of children (referring to real children here I believe) was a hotly debated area among forum users... Forum users exclusively interested in children were likely to endorse masturbation to fantasies involving children as an effective strategy to manage their interests in the absence of other outlets... The majority of users appeared to be of the opinion that masturbation to child fantasy was either harmless or decreased tension or arousal that, unchecked, might lead to problematic situations."
"Forum users exclusively interested in children were likely to endorse masturbation to fantasies involving children as an effective strategy to manage their interests in the absence of other outlets."
"Our data show that sexual fantasising and FSM (fictional sexual materials) use are relatively common among people with attractions to children, with more than half of our samples engaging in fantasy thinking about children on a daily or almost-daily basis."
And under Summary and interpretation of key results:
"Concerning the first of these aims, we found that people with attractions to children are using a range of different sexual outlets. When looking at the prevalence of different sexual outlet use, engagement with most forms of external (physical) FSM (e.g. images, written stories, videos, dolls) was quite rare. The exception to this was sexualised cartoons, where upwards of 80% of the sample engaged with this kind of material on at least a weekly basis."
"In this work, we have established how people with attractions to children are seeking sexual satisfaction using a range of different forms of FSM depicting children. We found no evidence that engaging with sexual fantasy and various forms of FSM was associated with variance in self-reported willingness to engage in sexual offences involving children, despite substantial numbers in our sample expressing a willingness to engage in these behaviours."
It's obvious that these pedophiles are using fantasy as an outlet in substitution for being able to carry this out in real life, and that they know it's fantasy and therefore has different moral (and legal) implications than real material. These 2 pieces of research suggest that it's possible this material helps reduce their willingness to carry out those actions in real life, but that would also suggest they are actually pedophiles, and doesn't help the case of lolicons that they are not.
Going back to our CUNY Academic Works dissertation, this is not universally true.
"In contrast to the viewpoint that limiting interactions with minors was the best strategy to avoid acting on attractions, some participants felt that being around children actually helped them to refrain from offending. Charlotte noted that MAPs often had romanticized ideas about children that were not realistic. Being exposed to children helped some participants to avoid idealizing their younger counterparts, and instead to view them as individuals. While Aiden used to strategically avoid places with children, he regarded this strategy as being more harmful than beneficial:"
'Like, one of the things about having my nephew is I kind of got to know him. You know, once you get to know him, it kind of personalizes them […] and you kind of, you kind of see what boys are really like instead of making them kind of like this like iconic, you know, imaginary character of my fantasies, my fantasy ideal. It removes them from the ideal and makes them actual people, it actualizes them.'
Erik concurred with this assessment. He volunteered as a youth group leader, and said that in some ways, he felt children were more his equals than adults.
'And most of all [being a youth leader is] a constant reminder that children are not this idyllic, wonderful creature of fantasy. They can have tantrums. They can be annoying. They can not listen. They can not do what I need them to do during an event or what have you. And it's a constant reminder they're real people […] and it's a constant reminder that, this is what you would destroy if I was to act on what I was feeling […] So, yeah. It's, it's really just the reminder that these are actual people who grow into adults, and you don't want to ruin, or I don't want to ruin those lives.'"
This should be unsurprising. Fantasizing inherently carries with it idealization, and I'm sure many pedophiles imagine their fantasies as far more glamorous than the real act would be. Obviously I don't think that pedophiles should be youth leaders, but it goes to show that being a pedophile doesn't mean that they are attracted to every aspect of real children, and the things they are sexually aroused by are often actually unrealistic fantasies of what children are like.
I think these excerpts should at least cast some doubt on the idea that pedophiles never engage in fantasy or lolicon content. Going back to Emerald's xeet:
"The studies that do find correlations with offenders suffer from massive selection bias, where they test convicted pedophiles who already consume real-world illegal materials. These studies don't predict the behavior of the non-offending consumer base."
-@AI_EmeraldApple
I could be reading this wrong, but this sounds like a tacit admission that pedophiles do enjoy this content, but the studies are ignoring the "non-offending" consumer base. Using the wording "non-offending" is also a Freudian slip, how can you "offend" a loli if lolis aren't real? Would you say yaoi has a "non-offending" consumer base?
TL;DR
Not all pedophiles like lolicon/fantasies or are satisfied by it. On the other hand, some do consume that content and it does keep them satisfied (for now). Claiming that pedophiles are universally averse to consuming lolicon is a statement that isn't well supported based on the evidence I found.
Which is funny because the devs state that they purposely made Evie YOUNGER and SHORTER, kinda shooting the copers in the foot there... Ver archivo adjunto 9114910
"He ignores all the data from the national crime statistics from Japan or the Czech Republic, how Otaku culture is emeshed with loli tropes... or that Japan is lolicon central, and yet has one of the lowest CSA rates."
-@AI_EmeraldApple
Until 1999, the production of child pornography was legal in Japan. Using his logic: If Japanese crime statistics indicate that no child pornographers were arrested for producing child pornography before 1999, it must be because there were no child pornographers in Japan before that.
Lolipedos always use Japan's low reported child sex crime rate as proof that child sexual abuse and lolicon aren't an issue while ignoring everything else such as what kind of legislation that's in place to protect children from sexual predators or social attitudes towards CSA. Historically, such legislation has been very weak. For example, it is only in December this year that Japanese schools will be required to check for sexual offense histories when hiring someone as part of the Child Sexual Abuse Prevention Act or こども性暴力防止法.
If Japan being lolicon central while having a low reported CSA rate is actually because the country successfully protects real children from real pedophiles, then why doesn't their legislation reflect that? Why did the disgusting pedophile author of Rurouni Kenshin just get the equivalent of a slap on the wrist when he was caught with so much child pornography that the police initially thought he was a distributor? Lolicons are never able to explain that so they'd rather just ignore it.
Pedophiles have little to no self-control so they're the perfect market for corporations to exploit. Jam this game full of barely-there DLC outfits and it'll be a billion dollar hit overnight.
The one downside to this strategy is most lolicon enthusiasts are brown and poor so we'll see if it pays off for them.
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Not really all that invested, but might as well pop the "average asian" bubble a bit and point out that plastic surgery is extremely popular in Korea in particular. Who wants to know about the chin bone jars?
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Not really all that invested, but might as well pop the "average asian" bubble a bit and point out that plastic surgery is extremely popular in Korea in particular. Who wants to know about the chin bone jars?
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Not really all that invested, but might as well pop the "average asian" bubble a bit and point out that plastic surgery is extremely popular in Korea in particular. Who wants to know about the chin bone jars?
>keeping it real
>proceeds ad nauseam the same tired talking points everyones heard a billion times already without an ounce of nuance
wow what a suprise...never saw that coming
