Tales of the Competency Crisis - How do I into anything?

[The Hardest R]

I'm loathe to say it but it's not racially coded. It's just a vague blob of women, browns, and non-functional autistics who should never have been admitted into the program. You can guess the motivation but the jeet plague exists in grad schools (shortcut to H1B status), not at the undergraduate level. Grad school pays/is short and departments make bank on it. Undergrad costs a lot of money and departments don't necessarily get more money for more enrollment.

I agree. When I was in undergrad for engineering, there was a huge push to get women into engineering. They offered free tutoring, lots of resources, lots of hugboxes, lots of pushing women through when they could barely pass the weed out freshmen classes. Thanks to the turboautists breaking the curves, women couldn’t rely on it. So they eventually just watered down the courses.

The cope was that graduate school was where real engineering work was getting done. The damage was done though. Engineering was one of those majors where niggas with a 2.5 could get multiple job offers right out of school. The Great Recession put an end to that and watering it down so women could pass now has made it so anything less than a 3.5 is considered terrible. So yeah, interns now can’t do basic engineering but they make the Dean’s List every semester.

 

[Sargon's wife's son]

I literally ended up in the emergency room because I had an extremely high fever. Because I had kidney stones. Because someone left a. Left in too long? When they wanted to leave it in for another week.
There is nothing life threatening, but I was throwing up for a week thanks to incompetent doctors.

 

[Mad as a Swan]

Reminder that melinated and bipocs WILL replace you for another non-white if they get the chance; no matter how experienced they are, if they are experienced at all; you just fill a spot till their friend gets bored or whatever.

 

[Wallace]

Since we're talking about public schools, I'm kind of curious on the viability of replacing the entire curriculum with self-directed learning? Yes, I know that it's retarded. But since it's been repeatedly popping up as an coping mechanism amongst the autists and the occasional woketard that gets an thread in A&H for one reason or another. As we all know, everything that's worth doing requires some variation of knowledge that everyone should know by a certain age and I honestly don't expect a kid to have the life experience to know what they actually need to learn to get ahead with life, especially if you're intentionally turning school into an massively gay art project with participation awards.

Granted, a lot of this is just SNCA from an autist's life at school; i just find it a bit entertaining how these people just propose random shit without considering what most people actually need in their own lives

There was a similar discussion when Google came about around 2000, and Coursera and Khan Academy came about in 2015. These new technologies were going to end college because people now had all of the access to knowledge that they could ever need. Of course, that didn't happen.

The problem is that these resources can't provide the things that students need the most: the capacity for self-regulated learning, realistic goal setting, real interest, perseverance, and time management. It's all very well and good to try taking a class, but most people quickly lose interest and never finish. These courses presume a self-motivated student with the willingness and discipline to put in the work. How many teenagers do you know have that kind of focus?

 

[bourne-again]

There is very much a “if you don’t use it, you lose it” with a lot of functions. To take it a step further, there are millions of kids that never learned how to write a paper on their own.

My work blocked AI for cybersecurity reasons. The interns we had last year would not do their jobs without AI. One intern cried. Another one just quit. Rather than try to figure it out. Keep in mind these were students with at or near 4.0 GPAs in engineering. It was a real eye opener for us. For this summer’s interns, we were up front that AI could not be used so we’ll see how this goes.

Lol did they seriously cry?
I briefly tutored a few STEM students last year for a stats course where they had to write a paper about the data of some graphs. I saved the worst ones.
Here is a real sentence from one paper: "It shows that very similar with less of a difference, looking more like the same, which is different than what all of the other graphs are telling us."

Spoiler: another AI related rant

Grade inflation is very bad in a lot of colleges now. I just work as a grader, and the course I handle is considered a pre-req, so all students have to take it. I am not allowed to give out zeros for AI use (and over half of them are doing a blatant copy and paste of what ChatGPT generates), the amount of students that drop or fail a course has to be under a certain percentage as well. If you're over that, you have to curve until it goes below. No this is not the professor's choice. My professor/boss doesn't allow AI, but to avoid administrative headache we've come up with a workaround that allows me to slash and burn grades of people turning in AI slop. Most professors gave up or their graders don't give a shit, so these students get by with perfect GPAs until I stain it with a C. Fuck em. We take notes throughout the semester of students that do put in honest and genuine effort so we can make sure their grade isn't penalized so badly at the end.

I think the students yearn for discipline and structure though, I rarely get any push back. They love the fact that someone is actually looking at their code and putting effort into giving them feedback.

The worst part is when their colleagues enable "free A" behavior. I know a lot of professors that have all their midterms and finals set up as such: online, open all day, either open note + open device or multiple attempts are allowed. The questions are not randomized per attempt. They also curve everyone an entire letter grade at the end of the semester. Others will make their final exams consist of bullshit elementary questions like "What was your favorite topic you learned about in the course?"

 

[Audit]

I briefly tutored a few STEM students last year for a stats course where they had to write a paper about the data of some graphs. I saved the worst ones.

Unfortunately, this trend will continue until college departments are given free writ to flunk students without punishment. The professors worth keeping are being driven mad atm and the ones not worth keeping just hand out easy A's.

 

[GayRapistWithAIDs]

I hear stories about kids getting into college and reading at a third grade level, and homework not being a thing, and im a little pissed off tbh. I never did homework, I tested well, I absorbed knowledge well, but because I just didn’t do homework I was never more then a B+ student in any class that actually cared about it. Honestly it pissed me off so much that it was one of the primary driving factors for me to just straight up not go to college. Based on everything I’ve heard from teachers I would probably be an A+ student if I was in school today, or again, even born like four years earlier.

 

[GayRapistWithAIDs]

Now we're at the point where an actual sperg can't write a university paper without using AI simply because he never learned how to write an academic piece or how to study. I can't be the only one who thinks that there's something more going on to this? Since all it takes is just asking around or even an internet search if you're factoring in the mental health problems.

>check users account
>”I don’t know how I got into a top three university I’m a retard! It must be AI”
>brown Yemeni communist

All I feel is hate

 

[Waffle Iron]

Since we're talking about public schools, I'm kind of curious on the viability of replacing the entire curriculum with self-directed learning?

There was a similar discussion when Google came about around 2000, and Coursera and Khan Academy came about in 2015. These new technologies were going to end college because people now had all of the access to knowledge that they could ever need. Of course, that didn't happen.

This is a discourse you find in old information freedom/pirate party/hacker ethos articles. The idea was, that with modern digital technology, it is possible to endlessly copy information with zero loss. We could put a camera in the lecture halls of the best universities and spread digital copies of the best books and everyone would be able to achieve great things. The poor kid in africa just needs a digital device with internet connection, and he'll be able to enjoy the same quality education as some rich American kid.
The people that wrote these thought pieces did it themselves. They might be some midwestern kid with a cheap PC that thought himself coding through magazine articles. Or someone living in the projects that learnt coding on the library PC with some shitty programming book he found. And now they were middle class in silicon valley riding the dotcom boom.

The problem is motivation and structured learning. Unless you're really dedicated and self-disciplined, self-study doesn't work. Schools offer that. The current strategy of just lowering the standards until everyone passes ruins that too.

 

[The Hardest R]

The problem with grade inflation is that there is no real good way of coming back from it. Employers who expect a 3.5 GPA to be the new minimum are going to see a candidate with a 3.3 GPA and just assume they are subpar. That kid with the 3.3 is going to get filtered out even though he accomplished much more than a student who got a 3.7 for showing up.

Lol did they seriously cry?

Yep. Some of them quit. At no point did they even think about just trying to figure it out without AI. Keep in mind these were students that had 3.5-4.0 GPAs, a bunch of extracurriculars, etc. They were very impressive students on paper. It was a big shock to us. I do expect students to use AI but not become so dependent on it that they can’t do anything day to day without it. The workforce is going to get very interesting.

On another note, my company hired a retiree and former engineer to do knowledge transfer since the new “diverse” talent can’t figure issues out. $45,000 per month and he sets his own hours. Supposed to last through the end of the year but already they are considering extending his contract beyond that. This was one of the white guys they shoved out the door for early retirement because the leadership at the time went all in on DEI.

 

[Wallace]

The problem with grade inflation is that there is no real good way of coming back from it. Employers who expect a 3.5 GPA to be the new minimum are going to see a candidate with a 3.3 GPA and just assume they are subpar. That kid with the 3.3 is going to get filtered out even though he accomplished much more than a student who got a 3.7 for showing up.

Yep. Some of them quit. At no point did they even think about just trying to figure it out without AI. Keep in mind these were students that had 3.5-4.0 GPAs, a bunch of extracurriculars, etc. They were very impressive students on paper. It was a big shock to us. I do expect students to use AI but not become so dependent on it that they can’t do anything day to day without it. The workforce is going to get very interesting.

On another note, my company hired a retiree and former engineer to do knowledge transfer since the new “diverse” talent can’t figure issues out. $45,000 per month and he sets his own hours. Supposed to last through the end of the year but already they are considering extending his contract beyond that. This was one of the white guys they shoved out the door for early retirement because the leadership at the time went all in on DEI.

I think we'll see a resurgence of competency tests as part of the interview process to weed out the frauds.

 

[NerdShamer]

I think we'll see a resurgence of competency tests as part of the interview process to weed out the frauds.

That'll quickly die off due to people trying to sue them because it discriminates against the cognitively impaired. Or that people in a certain set of countries could try to push for AI being an "reasonable accommodation" if they were committed enough.

We could put a camera in the lecture halls of the best universities and spread digital copies of the best books and everyone would be able to achieve great things. The poor kid in africa just needs a digital device with internet connection, and he'll be able to enjoy the same quality education as some rich American kid.

Well, we're already like this between Wikipedia, YouTube, and anywhere else that hosts factual long-form content. All you need is an library card at an place that offers free internet access with the free time and drive to soak it all in.

The problem is motivation and structured learning. Unless you're really dedicated and self-disciplined, self-study doesn't work.

Yes, blaming people for being their largest problem that they're facing isn't a popular opinion. But it's usually an accurate one, up until they're medically predisposed to stay retarded for the rest of their lives.

The current strategy of just lowering the standards until everyone passes ruins that too.

Well, there's really isn't a winning strategy for maintaining "equity" in education. And after a certain point, the same might be applied to professional licensing because there's an unfavorable ratio of successful applicants. In fact, it's been repeatedly happening to lawyers who kept failing the BAR exam.

 

[sodaboard]

someone compared graduating the year before chatgpt was first released to getting the last helicoptor out of vietnam and i'm inclined to agree

 

[Curry Teafag]

someone compared graduating the year before chatgpt was first released to getting the last helicoptor out of vietnam and i'm inclined to agree

We've had Wikipedia before that for two decades, so that's when it all started.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Employers who expect a 3.5 GPA to be the new minimum are going to see a candidate with a 3.3 GPA and just assume they are subpar.

I feel this.

Ended school so damn close to 3.5, but got a 3.48 due to some bullshit course that required community service I couldn't make time for, or really find a nice opening.

The GPA is also bullshit thanks to not all programs being made equal. I went in for CS, which in my college required a hefty chunk of math courses to complete. Calculus eviscerated my GPA given how usually bullshit those courses are, of which I had to survive 3 rounds of. If I ask a friend who went to a different college, they didn't do any math for the same degree. Hell, people within the school itself were skirting by with Arts degrees in the same subject where they just completely avoid math. By all accounts, I am probably more capable than most for going through it, but GPA-wise I look dumber for getting strapped with harder material.

I think we'll see a resurgence of competency tests as part of the interview process to weed out the frauds.

They are already setting up new hurdles to deter this, unfortunately, those hurdles are now requiring 2-3 years of experience for entry level since we can't be sure college actually teaches anything. Good luck getting those experience years without a connection bringing you in as all jobs are designed around it now.

 

[Betonhaus]

We've had Wikipedia before that for two decades, so that's when it all started.

Wikipedia still required you to proofread, if only to get rid of all of the hyperlinks and hyperlinks and to ensure the contents matched the given subject correctly. Kids these days just paste the assignment requirements into chatgpt then paste the results into the submission form and they don't ever read what the contents of what they just posted is.

 

[bourne-again]

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What were their extracurriculars? I'm curious how their interviews went too. Some of my friends have already graduated and have had no issues getting jobs. They had GPAs of 3.5 or less, but had enough personal experience through projects posted on GitHub that they could expand on, or competitions they participated in. The numbers were not perfect on transcript, but they were socially competent and clearly knew what they were talking about or displayed the ability to learn and think critically. I've been repeatedly told that employers don't care about your GPA and to not put it on your resume.

I remember one of them told me his interviewer was very impressed that his response to "What would you do if you came across an issue you didn't know how to solve?" was "Google it and figure it out or ask for help." I think we will be okay though, or at least the ones that care. Maybe I'm delusional.

I think we'll see a resurgence of competency tests as part of the interview process to weed out the frauds.

The fact that CS has behavioral tests as part of the process always makes me laugh. I know why because they are my classmates, but its still funny.

 

[Audit]

The fact that CS has behavioral tests as part of the process always makes me laugh. I know why because they are my classmates, but its still funny.

Until about 5 years ago, I would have told you that a CS degree was as good as an autism diagnosis. Now, it's just proof that bandwagons run on inertia.

 

[bourne-again]

Until about 5 years ago, I would have told you that a CS degree was as good as an autism diagnosis. Now, it's just proof that bandwagons run on inertia.

I expected to argue with neckbeards about syntax. All I got was normies, pickmes, and some men who will be put on the sex offender's list in 5 years. And the worst part, besides the stalking and sexual harassment.....none of them know how to code. LOL.

 

[Curry Teafag]

Wikipedia still required you to proofread, if only to get rid of all of the hyperlinks and hyperlinks and to ensure the contents matched the given subject correctly. Kids these days just paste the assignment requirements into chatgpt then paste the results into the submission form and they don't ever read what the contents of what they just posted is.

I did not copy and paste content but paraphrased it using my own words. I may not be the brightest star, but am not a complete moron, either.