Zoomer Kiwi Central / Serious Gen Z Discussion - A place for Zoomers to have a discussion about the Gen Z and their future

[Rango Dango]

I'm still in college, browsing this thread does not inspire confidence for my future search for a graduate-level position.

what matters the most is having contacts, so try meeting as many people as possible, go to talks, go to gatherings, go to wherever, just to meet people in your industry
thats what im planning to do at least

 

[Myrtle the Turtle]

I'm still in college, browsing this thread does not inspire confidence for my future search for a graduate-level position.

Go abroad and seek out the experience, its a hard road but the alternative is $100,000 in debt for a degree that will be tossed aside for an izzat hired jeet with half the iq.

what matters the most is having contacts, so try meeting as many people as possible, go to talks, go to gatherings, go to wherever, just to meet people in your industry
thats what im planning to do at least

My friend did this but even the networking doors are closing because companies are trying to cut costs wherever they can. Even if the manager loves you, they still need HR and budget approval.

 

[Blue Gem Kosher Queen]

Any of the older Zs here feel completely invisible to society at times? I was having a conversation the other day with my mom and how I'm kinda pissed that my part of Z (late 90s and very early 00s) seems to be completely forgotten about at times. Like it feels that all mainstream talk was on Millennials and then suddenly Gen Z, but not the Gen Z that graduated high school in the mid to late 2010s.

I've discussed this with friends on mine actually because we work or try to work in movies. "Stories about people too old to be young and too young to know better". There's a market. A depressed market at that but things like The Ritual got started exclusively to cater to a generation that the author felt was underrepresented.

Every time we try to sit down and brainstorm it becomes a coping session because no one is where they want to be and some are unlucky enough to know of somebody else already there that isn't happy and is dreaming of something else. Nothing sucks more than hearing second hand that the pot at the end of your rainbow is someone else's porta-potty.

Who knows? Maybe transhumanism is being pushed so hard because they know we aren't having kids so we will literally be here forever. Maybe all of this quirkiness of our gen is to prepare us to see cyberpunk characters stocking shelves at Costco and anime girls cashiering at Little Caesar's.

 

[2mm and 99 others]

What I'm hearing from hiring managers is that young people just starting out are asking for starting salaries on par with someone with 10-20 years of experience

Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer. Were the minimal salaries offered listed on the job ad as they should be or at least told upfront at the interview, the zoom zooms wouldn't pull numbers out of ass to not lowball themselves. They know perfectly well how much should they pay an inexperienced recent graduate, they just want to show them who pulls the shorter end and humiliate them.

I have yet to see a hiring manager who in attempt of explaining why they do things the way they do, doesn't make the HR field hated even more.

 

[Nagato Kai Ni Surigao]

No I do not care about Why It Was Almost Impossible to Make the Blue LED. They got a nobel peace prize for inventing the blue LED and it produces ugly dark blue saturated light and that's fine if it's behind closed doors but they had to go and make it everyone's problem because now every single Christmas light uses UGLY blue LEDs that clash with all the other colors, what the FUCK!!?



No! They add orange to this too and it looks really bad.


And sometimes they add purple. That helps mitigate the ugliness of blue a little bit but it's still really ugly because now the purple clashes with the green. You know something Christmas lights used to look beautiful and they had nice pastel colors that look nice in the snow.



The incandescent christmas lights look so beautiful because instead of the blue light emitting diode LED they were white/yellowish incandescents inside a colored plastic shell that gave beautiful colors! That's the biggest problem currently affecting my generation (I am gen Z)

 

[Hakase Shinonome]

No I do not care about Why It Was Almost Impossible to Make the Blue LED

It's hilarious that I know which exact video you're talking about, lol. That nigger makes every single invention on planet Earth seem as if it changed the course of humanity and we couldn't be happier without it.

"The Incredible Genius Behind The Toilet Paper Holder" - "We go to take a shit every single day, but have you ever thought about how annoying and disgusting it would be to take toilet paper off the floor? Hazel Foisnacker thought so too and made the toilet paper holder. -- His invention changed the way we take a shit everywhere around the world, how we interact with our assholes and to not have to worry about having to pick up dirty-ass toilet paper off the floor."

 

[RomanianSchizo]

To everyone else who is looking for jobs, I know it might not feel like it at all, but you will find a job. I've been unemployed for 6 months and got a job offer for a remote job today. I've applied to 813 jobs this year alone and have been rejected or ghosted from the vast majority of these jobs. I've been thinking of suicide lately because I thought I'd never get a job. I had a great interview last week for a completely different job and found out two days ago that I didn't get it. I was so upset, even though I had an interview today. But I held on, went to my interview, and got a call back from my interviewer about 2 hours after the interview and got a job offer. Even though it feels like all the odds are stacked against you, you gotta keep applying to jobs and SOMETHING. WILL. COME.

 

[Ryo Ma]

To everyone else who is looking for jobs, I know it might not feel like it at all, but you will find a job. I've been unemployed for 6 months and got a job offer for a remote job today. I've applied to 813 jobs this year alone and have been rejected or ghosted from the vast majority of these jobs. I've been thinking of suicide lately because I thought I'd never get a job. I had a great interview last week for a completely different job and found out two days ago that I didn't get it. I was so upset, even though I had an interview today. But I held on, went to my interview, and got a call back from my interviewer about 2 hours after the interview and got a job offer. Even though it feels like all the odds are stacked against you, you gotta keep applying to jobs and SOMETHING. WILL. COME.

Good work man.

 

[RomanianSchizo]

Good work man.

Thank you!
But yeah I believe in y'all. YOU WILL FIND A JOB.

 

[⚞⛇⚟]

No I do not care about Why It Was Almost Impossible to Make the Blue LED. They got a nobel peace prize for inventing the blue LED and it produces ugly dark blue saturated light and that's fine if it's behind closed doors but they had to go and make it everyone's problem because now every single Christmas light uses UGLY blue LEDs that clash with all the other colors, what the FUCK!!?

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No! They add orange to this too and it looks really bad.
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And sometimes they add purple. That helps mitigate the ugliness of blue a little bit but it's still really ugly because now the purple clashes with the green. You know something Christmas lights used to look beautiful and they had nice pastel colors that look nice in the snow.

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The incandescent christmas lights look so beautiful because instead of the blue light emitting diode LED they were white/yellowish incandescents inside a colored plastic shell that gave beautiful colors! That's the biggest problem currently affecting my generation (I am gen Z)

Mercury lights are my favorite.

If they were more common than I would probably get sick of them and prefer incandescent, but I like them because they are rare and make a unique atmosphere.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer. Were the minimal salaries offered listed on the job ad as they should be or at least told upfront at the interview, the zoom zooms wouldn't pull numbers out of ass to not lowball themselves. They know perfectly well how much should they pay an inexperienced recent graduate, they just want to show them who pulls the shorter end and humiliate them.

I have yet to see a hiring manager who in attempt of explaining why they do things the way they do, doesn't make the HR field hated even more.

We want a similar quality of life as those people with 20 years of experience had when they first started out.

Also don’t bring up salary in interviews till at least the second round (2nd round in person) or if they ask.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

I'm still in college, browsing this thread does not inspire confidence for my future search for a graduate-level position.

I’ll give you the more hopefully take, things are improving just slowly.

This past year I have been getting a decent increase in interviews compared to the last 3 years. I will admit that I got a lucky position with quite a bit of experience to throw around, but that seems to be helping me more this year than the previous 2 years of being on the job. Then obviously, people in this thread are sharing that they are getting calls/jobs.

If you check out some other threads, there is some hope to be found. Earlier this year, we got some stats in USPG2 that American born citizen employment was rising this year compared to others. We also got some good news in the form of leaders like Tim Cook of Apple saying they will be on shoring production and opening up jobs later this year. In the Big Tech Layoffs Thread, recent posts have videos saying Tech is slowly taking back the higher levels they fired, meaning the pool for tech hires should be lessening.

While Iran is currently throwing things into chaos, it seems that the plan is to get it over with quickly this first half the year as so much of the Oompa Loompa’s plan is enriching America through taking/fixing third world countries like never before, killing BRICS off, then pulling businesses back into the American ecosystem, many of which looking to get projects finished for the second half. Massive progress has been done on the backend to halt immigration as well, with reports showing record low in legal and illegal immigrants, and H1B.

Obviously cannot promise anything, but I feel we are on a slow rise for the US. My hope is just that momentum continues and our generation of geriatrics don’t piss all over it because they absorbed the latest CNN sad brown people story or le economy is in danger.

 

[harbringer883]

Because schools are shit nowadays and good grades are in no way an indicator of performance at work. Some inexperienced and over schooled people tend to passively wait for work to be assigned rather than find it and to aim for perfection rather than good enough.

With tutors and AI nowadays, school grades literally mean nothing. I know of people who spent high school getting proper up by tuturs and AImaxxing only to get raped in college once they are alone.

 

[2mm and 99 others]

Guess that's because AI-aided learning is something like wikipedia cruising on steroids - without having complex base knowledge in the field, it makes one have just scattered, isolated clusters of facts, especially if they have some attention disorder that would prevent them from getting deeper in the field and learn even the boring, non-fun, but important facts.
It's not like schools as I know them were any good at interconnecting different fields (as in, making an use of one field in an other), but wiki cruising and ai learning don't make one see the whole picture even within the same field.
The most laughable example thereof was, when a man I know saw a SMASHED & SLAMMED dog and said something like ''Strange, that the natural selection made them like this, how did they survive the evolution, they can't even breathe properly?''. Because he thought that there was a time in ancient history, when you could visit France and catch yourself a free-roaming wild French bulldog, or in Germany you'd domesticate a Dachshund from the woods etc.
It wouldn't sound that stupid, if he was, like, 10yo, but this was a mid 30's walking encyclopedia engineer who I remember explaining the mechanism of aging on the chromosomal level, that sounded consistent with current science. But never heard about selective breeding and using genetics in his life.

 

[Smashed & Slamed]

It wouldn't sound that stupid, if he was, like, 10yo, but this was a mid 30's walking encyclopedia engineer who I remember explaining the mechanism of aging on the chromosomal level, that sounded consistent with current science. But never heard about selective breeding and using genetics in his life.

That's just people being normal. Being an expert in one field doesn't make you an expert in another. Nor do you need to be "smart" to be an expert.

 

[⋖ cørdion ⋗]

what matters the most is having contacts, so try meeting as many people as possible, go to talks, go to gatherings, go to wherever, just to meet people in your industry
thats what im planning to do at least

Network.. with what? You're not a soft-spoken young student gentleman looking for a mentor, you're another kid who got told to "go network". What can you offer someone with an established career? Why would they put down chatgpt and close linkedin to entertain you, if not to make a linkedin chatgpt post out of it?

I'd love to be optimistic but there really is no grounds to. Just the other day I watched a clip of a guy saying "My advice is to drop out of college and get a blue collar degree (...) we're working on automating welding too". You can't program the welding robots and by the time you know how to weld, you've been replaced. We're genuinely in that hellish plane where you might as well do whatever you want to, financially worthwhile or not, cause there's no safe alternative.

Going from a small crew of mostly older zoomers to a crew of mostly older millenials is rough. Literally all work all the time.

I've noticed that "only going to work to get paid" is a mindset that stems from being around people who share that sentiment. The office job I'm about to ditch, we sit in complete silence all day. Look back to my bottom-shelf job with equally bottom-shelf pay; great cafeteria, close to home, no mind fog from deadlines and treading water, and coworkers I could shoot the shit with. That difference in culture alone is enough to make me want to ditch the hopes of an office job to be around older people who produce actual value.

Nigger, its an internship of course they don't what to fucking do and they essentially have zero responsibilities in the working environment; so what are they supposed to do when nobody gives them directions. Interns are great when their mentor throws them against every problem to gain experience and takes them along to all sorts of things. You can't expect new employees to work like experienced ones. Because you essentially expect an unprocessed cube of metal to cut like a metal knife.

It's actually nuts cause a lot of workplaces set up their own internship programs while others (private sector) places, they just assume you'll be a 28% efficiency free laborer cause they never intended to put effort into teaching you. On one hand it makes sense, going from an internship to a full-time position, but once you're on your 3rd internship, now you've dug yourself into a hole. "Why do you have so many internships? Why won't anyone hire you? You did great here but uhhh social currency!".

I looked up some old classmates on linkedin and they make it seem so easy. University degree, a semester abroad in Beijing or some shit; back, find a job, work 18 months, promoted, work another 8, promoted. That's it. Get the degree, the job, and get promoted internally. That's the one appeal of private companies, but likewise they're the ones cycling out interns every summer with no intention to ever hire any of them.

 

[The ATF Disliked That]

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This the gayest and most retarded advice that every finance, business, and coach influencer faggots preach non-stop. I remember the other year that instagram was just filled with this shit for no reason, "You should move to [whatever city] and network, it'll be one of your best decisions." Then it's them at some pool party or house party. I seriously don't understand why this shit is preached.

I don't think I've ever looked at a single internship program in my life. I always thought they were just a sham. I keep seeing some horror stories about how people have been interns for 12-18 months* and they see no possibility of getting a full hire. Yes. if you're stuck as an intern at a company for more than a year, that is a horror story. You do not want to be a forever intern.
*If it's like a NASA or other engineering type internship that amount of time can be justifiable.
I hate LinkedIn so fucking much. I see old classmates who have their fucking pizza shop experience still listed, like nigger, take that shit off. No one cares about your senior year summer job.

 

[Spaced Outside Cargo]

I'm still in college, browsing this thread does not inspire confidence for my future search for a graduate-level position.

You’ll be fine
If youre a younger gen z in comp sci now’s your opportunity to study things like machine learning.
A lot of the dooming (myself included) is because we spent our younger things learning stuff that all got thrown out the window in the last 4 years.
In my college days VR and AR were going to replace everything. Now it obviously isnt but if you got your work experience in it you can still find a related, high paying position from whats left after everyone jumps to the next new thing.

My best advice is that local startups like to hire fresh grads (WITH PORTFOLIOS) because they cant keep up with corpo pay. Find the ones near you. You may even enjoy your time there. Learn how everything works. When your project lead leaves take their role. When the startup inevitably dies use that experience to get a good paying job.
Also as of now you can cheatcode your way past 50% of applicants immediately if you can signal to the hiring manager that you use AI in some way. Make sure you participate in related events in your field (ie. hackathons or game jams for comp sci).

Network.. with what? You're not a soft-spoken young student gentleman looking for a mentor, you're another kid who got told to "go network". What can you offer someone with an established career? Why would they put down chatgpt and close linkedin to entertain you, if not to make a linkedin chatgpt post out of it?

Not even just career advice but just in general as you get older you need to get really good at randomly striking up conversations with people and keeping them engaged or you will have literally no friends after college and rely on discord for socialization when yours all move to different cities.
There’s no magic bullet to this but it helps to actively keep up with controversial changes in the industry or have a project you’re working on that you can talk about. Especially at smaller college hosted events. My first manager was a judge at the local game jam half a year prior to the interview and remembered my work.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

If youre a younger gen z in comp sci now’s your opportunity to study things like machine learning.
A lot of the dooming (myself included) is because we spent our younger things learning stuff that all got thrown out the window in the last 4 years.
In my college days VR and AR were going to replace everything. Now it obviously isnt but if you got your work experience in it you can still find a related, high paying position from whats left after everyone jumps to the next new thing.

My best advice is that local startups like to hire fresh grads (WITH PORTFOLIOS) because they cant keep up with corpo pay. Find the ones near you. You may even enjoy your time there. Learn how everything works. When your project lead leaves take their role. When the startup inevitably dies use that experience to get a good paying job.
Also as of now you can cheatcode your way past 50% of applicants immediately if you can signal to the hiring manager that you use AI in some way. Make sure you participate in related events in your field (ie. hackathons or game jams for comp sci).

When I first started in my field 5-6 years ago the hype was that the Blockchain was going to replace the field.

It did not replace or even change the field.

They now claim the same thing about A.I. If by AI they mean actually Indians than they are correct.

 

[harbringer883]

When I first started in my field 5-6 years ago the hype was that the Blockchain was going to replace the field.

Remember how less than 5 years ago everyone thought the metaverse would be the "next big thing"? While AI will effect the workplace and careers of the future, its currently just being used as an excuse by companies who overhired/coddled worthless positions (see any "day in the life of X tech company" tiktok). LLMs are great and all, but its not going to replace everything either.